Re: Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[officeRules]

I'm confused about your idea that Canada is a reality star haven.   I'm in Toronto and have never met a reality star in my life.  It is on the 'circuit' of post-show Bach people.  We do have a few every once in a while.  (Josh, Ed, Micheal was here a few years ago).  This reality star activity is no more or no less than any big city in North America.

Like I said earlier I know quite a few reality TV stars/people who have gone to Canada for meets/greets and speaking engagement.

I live here, and have only heard of a few.
I guess, though, if you are thinking in terms of visits to 'Canada' it may seem like a lot. It's a big place, so I am sure lots of visits do happen in different cities across the country. If I thought of every reality contestant who did an appearance in 'USA' as one place, then I suppose it would seem like a lot too.

There really isn't a big market here for reality contestant visits. I will keep my eyes peeled for more info on Josh's date. Good for him, to support the charity here! I'm impressed. He looks quite good lately.

[Guest]

I think he would make a PERFECT bachelor!
But doubt it will happen.

[luvlady345]

I'm confused about your idea that Canada is a reality star haven.   I'm in Toronto and have never met a reality star in my life.  It is on the 'circuit' of post-show Bach people.  We do have a few every once in a while.  (Josh, Ed, Micheal was here a few years ago).  This reality star activity is no more or no less than any big city in North America.

Like I said earlier I know quite a few reality TV stars/people who have gone to Canada for meets/greets and speaking engagement.

I live here, and have only heard of a few.  
I guess, though, if you are thinking in terms of visits to 'Canada' it may seem like a lot.  It's a big place, so I am sure lots of visits do happen in different cities across the country.   If I thought of every reality contestant who did an appearance in 'USA' as one place, then I suppose it would seem like a lot too.

There really isn't a big market here for reality contestant visits.  I will keep my eyes peeled for more info on Josh's date.  Good for him, to support the charity here!  I'm impressed.   He looks quite good lately.

I know two reality people who just came back from a speaking engagement in Canada, it's not a big deal to me but I guess it is to some....

[Sprite]

Like I said earlier I know quite a few reality TV stars/people who have gone to Canada for meets/greets and speaking engagement.

I live here, and have only heard of a few.  
I guess, though, if you are thinking in terms of visits to 'Canada' it may seem like a lot.  It's a big place, so I am sure lots of visits do happen in different cities across the country.   If I thought of every reality contestant who did an appearance in 'USA' as one place, then I suppose it would seem like a lot too.

There really isn't a big market here for reality contestant visits.  I will keep my eyes peeled for more info on Josh's date.  Good for him, to support the charity here!  I'm impressed.   He looks quite good lately.

I know two reality people who just came back from a speaking engagement in Canada, it's not a big deal to me but I guess it is to some....

Josh is continuing to do charity events just as he did before the show. This one just happens to be in Canada. He may be getting more opportunities now than before, but that is typical for all of them.

As for reality show mecca ... well that would clearly be the USA ... where seemingly everyone is on a reality show. Kardashian's are everywhere. Housewives from how many different cities are screaming and getting drunk non stop? Teen moms are making porn and Duggar's are popping out babies left, right and center.  Even Andi is back at it with her very own show. Canada and every other country put together can hardly compare. The odd speaking engagement in Canada is a mere drop in the bucket.

[kimberlyg]

I'm not a fan of Josh, and I've already made my point about what I think of his career. I also think by wanting someone who is "family oriented" he means "someone who is attached to MY family at the hip as much as I am." I also thought he treated his time on the show too much like a competition and never tried to get to know who Andi was or what she was about. Instead, he just seemed to want to win. Maybe it's possible that Andi totally sold a false bill of goods, but Josh doesn't seem to have an issue with all of the traveling now that they're broken up, so I really have doubts that Josh wanted to settle into a nice quiet little life.

I'd probably enjoy "hate watching" him as the lead, though.

[SueSt]

I'm not a fan of Josh, and I've already made my point about what I think of his career.  I also think by wanting someone who is "family oriented" he means "someone who is attached to MY family at the hip as much as I am."  I also thought he treated his time on the show too much like a competition and never tried to get to know who Andi was or what she was about.  Instead, he just seemed to want to win.  Maybe it's possible that Andi totally sold a false bill of goods, but Josh doesn't seem to have an issue with all of the traveling now that they're broken up, so I really have doubts that Josh wanted to settle into a nice quiet little life.

I'd probably enjoy "hate watching" him as the lead, though.  

IA with your post Kimberly!  
I would go further; it never seemed to me like Josh wanted to win; only that he thought he definitely would, like it was all in the bag from the get-go. (conspiracy theorists begin!)

ETA: I generally don't watch The Bach, but I might tune in to watch Josh and his big ego

[Ash2214]

I'm not a fan of Josh, and I've already made my point about what I think of his career.  I also think by wanting someone who is "family oriented" he means "someone who is attached to MY family at the hip as much as I am."  I also thought he treated his time on the show too much like a competition and never tried to get to know who Andi was or what she was about.  Instead, he just seemed to want to win.  Maybe it's possible that Andi totally sold a false bill of goods, but Josh doesn't seem to have an issue with all of the traveling now that they're broken up, so I really have doubts that Josh wanted to settle into a nice quiet little life.

I'd probably enjoy "hate watching" him as the lead, though.  

I disagree considering Josh saw his family less than 5 times in an 8 month period from what we could see looking in on the outside. Posters here almost every weekend found pictures of Josh and Andi out with her family. Josh spent every major holiday during the time they were together with her family. Andi and her family are Jewish, yet he spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with her family. He attended a wedding with her family and skipped out on his brothers Engagement.

I don't think Josh had an issue being so close to the Dorfman's as I think he liked it, but considering he barely saw his family in almost a year while he was with Andi, then clearly something was up. If we go by the show, Andi clearly wanted him to let go - a lot - and he did, but I think it's fair to say there should have been some sort of compromise on Andi's part seeing as Josh tried very hard with letting go and focusing on her and her family.

Also, on the show Josh very frequently voiced his concerns about Andi picking him and that potentially he might not be her F1. I don't think anyone could surpass the over confidence and even pompous attitude that Andi's F2 guy gave off. Josh only voiced his confidence after the FS, which after the show Andi and Josh both hinted at him knowing from Andi that he was the F1. I don't think he wanted to win for the sale of winning, I just think he legitimately thought Andi would be the one and then the real world hit like it does for just about all of these couples.

And for me at least, Josh flying frequently to attend charity events and actual work commitments is a whole lot different then the traveling Andi has done. It's clearly two different routes the two of them are going.

[Guest]

I'm not a fan of Josh, and I've already made my point about what I think of his career.  I also think by wanting someone who is "family oriented" he means "someone who is attached to MY family at the hip as much as I am."  I also thought he treated his time on the show too much like a competition and never tried to get to know who Andi was or what she was about.  Instead, he just seemed to want to win.  Maybe it's possible that Andi totally sold a false bill of goods, but Josh doesn't seem to have an issue with all of the traveling now that they're broken up, so I really have doubts that Josh wanted to settle into a nice quiet little life.

I'd probably enjoy "hate watching" him as the lead, though.  

I disagree considering Josh saw his family less than 5 times in an 8 month period from what we could see looking in on the outside. Posters here almost every weekend found pictures of Josh and Andi out with her family. Josh spent every major holiday during the time they were together with her family. Andi and her family are Jewish, yet he spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with her family. He attended a wedding with her family and skipped out on his brothers Engagement.

I don't think Josh had an issue being so close to the Dorfman's as I think he liked it, but considering he barely saw his family in almost a year while he was with Andi, then clearly something was up. If we go by the show, Andi clearly wanted him to let go - a lot - and he did, but I think it's fair to say there should have been some sort of compromise on Andi's part seeing as Josh tried very hard with letting go and focusing on her and her family.

Also, on the show Josh very frequently voiced his concerns about Andi picking him and that potentially he might not be her F1. I don't think anyone could surpass the over confidence and even pompous attitude that Andi's F2 guy gave off. Josh only voiced his confidence after the FS, which after the show Andi and Josh both hinted at him knowing from Andi that he was the F1. I don't think he wanted to win for the sale of winning, I just think he legitimately thought Andi would be the one and then the real world hit like it does for just about all of these couples.

And for me at least, Josh flying frequently to attend charity events and actual work commitments is a whole lot different then the traveling Andi has done. It's clearly two different routes the two of them are going.

[luvlady345]

I live here, and have only heard of a few.  
I guess, though, if you are thinking in terms of visits to 'Canada' it may seem like a lot.  It's a big place, so I am sure lots of visits do happen in different cities across the country.   If I thought of every reality contestant who did an appearance in 'USA' as one place, then I suppose it would seem like a lot too.

There really isn't a big market here for reality contestant visits.  I will keep my eyes peeled for more info on Josh's date.  Good for him, to support the charity here!  I'm impressed.   He looks quite good lately.

I know two reality people who just came back from a speaking engagement in Canada, it's not a big deal to me but I guess it is to some....

Josh is continuing to do charity events just as he did before the show. This one just happens to be in Canada. He may be getting more opportunities now than before, but that is typical for all of them.

As for reality show mecca ... well that would clearly be the USA ... where seemingly everyone is on a reality show. Kardashian's are everywhere. Housewives from how many different cities are screaming and getting drunk non stop? Teen moms are making porn and Duggar's are popping out babies left, right and center.  Even Andi is back at it with her very own show. Canada and every other country put together can hardly compare. The odd speaking engagement in Canada is a mere drop in the bucket.

I am not speaking about Josh, and it's not about reality shows.......  I was speaking about after their show these people seems to have a lot of opportunities for speaking engagements in Canada..... From what I have observed......

[sara11]

I'm not a fan of Josh, and I've already made my point about what I think of his career.  I also think by wanting someone who is "family oriented" he means "someone who is attached to MY family at the hip as much as I am."  
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I disagree considering Josh saw his family less than 5 times in an 8 month period from what we could see looking in on the outside. Posters here almost every weekend found pictures of Josh and Andi out with her family. Josh spent every major holiday during the time they were together with her family. Andi and her family are Jewish, yet he spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with her family. He attended a wedding with her family and skipped out on his brothers Engagement.

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And for me at least, Josh flying frequently to attend charity events and actual work commitments is a whole lot different then the traveling Andi has done. It's clearly two different routes the two of them are going.

I don't think its plausible to try and say that Josh saw his family less than 5 times because we have no idea when he saw his family. Most people don't post on SM very often when it has to do with chilled out family time. He probably saw his family a lot more than what we know of. Furthermore, his family lives hours away whereas Andi's family lives about 30min away which makes sense as to why they saw her family more often, I dont think Andi in any way tried to take Josh away from his family. Remember that he was living with (well in the same town as) his siblings up until 2 months before filming started (he moved to ATL Jan 2014) therefore thats why his SM presence seems a lot more family orientated before the bach

[SafronSahara]

I've always assumed Josh sealed the deal in the FS. He put it down (presumably better than Nick did) and that was the confirmation Andi sought.
I haven't been following the other threads but is there chit chatter Mr Murray will be the next Bachelor?

[Ash2214]

I'm not a fan of Josh, and I've already made my point about what I think of his career.  I also think by wanting someone who is "family oriented" he means "someone who is attached to MY family at the hip as much as I am."  
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I disagree considering Josh saw his family less than 5 times in an 8 month period from what we could see looking in on the outside. Posters here almost every weekend found pictures of Josh and Andi out with her family. Josh spent every major holiday during the time they were together with her family. Andi and her family are Jewish, yet he spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with her family. He attended a wedding with her family and skipped out on his brothers Engagement.

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And for me at least, Josh flying frequently to attend charity events and actual work commitments is a whole lot different then the traveling Andi has done. It's clearly two different routes the two of them are going.

I don't think its plausible to try and say that Josh saw his family less than 5 times because we have no idea when he saw his family. Most people don't post on SM very often when it has to do with chilled out family time. He probably saw his family a lot more than what we know of. Furthermore, his family lives hours away whereas Andi's family lives about 30min away which makes sense as to why they saw her family more often, I dont think Andi in any way tried to take Josh away from his family. Remember that he was living with (well in the same town as) his siblings up until 2 months before filming started (he moved to ATL Jan 2014) therefore thats why his SM presence seems a lot more family orientated before the bach

That's why I said "from the outside looking in."

Regardless, we got pictures of them nearly every week and weekend in Atlanta and it seems like they didn't leave often. Posters here were great at finding pictures and there were countless weekends of Josh with the Dorfman's. Nothing wrong with that. Obviously they lived much, much closer than the Murray's, but Josh and Andi could have gone on a weekend to visit the Murray's.

When we did get pictures of them hanging with the Murray's, in total, it was less than five times. I can remember more than once Lauren or even Josh stating how excited they were to see each other because it had been a while. Andi didn't even technically meet everyone until December.

Like I stated in my previous post, Josh skipped out on important family occasions and important holidays to spend those times with the Dorfman's. They would spend weekends at Andi's lake house. Again, nothing wrong with that, but if they could drive to that, why not to the Murray's home? With my previous post I was responding and disagreeing with the sentiment of Josh strictly wanting someone to fit into his family.

It's pretty clear to me he gave up a lot in regards to his family and spent a lot of time with the Dorfman's and Andi didn't with the Murray's. It's about compromise and I don't think there was much coming from Andi.

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