Re: Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[aviej]

Ok one example was the way Josh handled the Andrew situation with the phone number as opposed to the more calm, and thought-out approach that Marquel adopted with his issue. AAnd ofcourse, the countless times when Josh would post something on SM that was insensitve and he had to retract and delete the tweet. It did that a couple times with issues relating to his brother. So again, it's a fact that Josh is impulsive and rash. I still like Josh and I liked him and Andi together. But they are not perfect. And I just think that in this instance with the constant unfollowing, it is Josh who is the inconsistent one. That is all. The constant following/unfollowing on his part says to me that there are a lot more unresolved issues between them than he is letting on, IMO.

[Ash2214]

Ok one example was the way Josh handled the Andrew situation with the phone number as opposed to the more calm, and thought-out approach that Marquel adopted with his issue. AAnd ofcourse, the countless times when Josh would post something on SM that was insensitve and he had to retract and delete the tweet. It did that a couple times with issues relating to his brother. So again, it's a fact that Josh is impulsive and rash. I still like Josh and I liked him and Andi together. But they are not perfect. And I just think that in this instance with the constant unfollowing, it is Josh who is the inconsistent one. That is all. The constant following/unfollowing on his part says to me that there are a lot more unresolved issues between them than he is letting on, IMO.

Okay, so for me at least, I wouldn't call any of those examples as "easily angered" to be honest. Impulsive? Sure.

We don't know them personally. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. For all we know, Andi and Josh could have had a conversation yesterday and Josh is just finally and completely done now. It could even be as simple as he doesn't want her many bachelor related tweets in his timeline since he seems like he has completely moved on from the show besides talking to Marcus and Brian.. There could be reasons we don't know about, but for me, I have no issue with it because once a couple breaks up, I just think it's best to let each other go completely and that includes on silly things like social media too.

[stuckinsc]

Ok one example was the way Josh handled the Andrew situation with the phone number as opposed to the more calm, and thought-out approach that Marquel adopted with his issue. AAnd ofcourse, the countless times when Josh would post something on SM that was insensitve and he had to retract and delete the tweet. It did that a couple times with issues relating to his brother. So again, it's a fact that Josh is impulsive and rash. I still like Josh and I liked him and Andi together. But they are not perfect. And I just think that in this instance with the constant unfollowing, it is Josh who is the inconsistent one. That is all. The constant following/unfollowing on his part says to me that there are a lot more unresolved issues between them than he is letting on, IMO.

Okay, so for me at least, I wouldn't call any of those examples as "easily angered" to be honest. Impulsive? Sure.

We don't know them personally. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. For all we know, Andi and Josh could have had a conversation yesterday and Josh is just finally and completely done now. It could even be as simple as he doesn't want her many bachelor related tweets in his timeline since he seems like he has completely moved on from the show besides talking to Marcus and Brian.. There could be reasons we don't know about, but for me, I have no issue with it because once a couple breaks up, I just think it's best to let each other go completely and that includes on silly things like social media too.

To me, he has been his most impulsive and "easily angered" in his time with and around Andi. That was not there in his life or SM before he got together with her.

These two people did not bring out the best in each other. Andi herself told us that together they didn't get the support they both needed.

I think they are trying to maintain a friendship, but in truth they never had one. It was all chemistry and being a couple, they never got to like before they got to lust.

I hope they both unfollow and move on. They are not what is best for each other right now. Each should go their separate ways and grow. If after that they can find that friendship and maybe more great. But it isn't happening right now and all the following and unfollowing just makes them both look bad. Best to just let it go for now and move on.

[aviej]

I'm agreeing with you more and more these days stuckinsc, oddly enough since we have opposing opinions/sentiments for the couple. But yes I agree. All this following/unfollowing is ridiculous. But I would also add that Josh being impulsive is not new and not brought on by Andi. Maybe being with Andi aggravated this aspect of his temperament but it was always there. In an article back in 2013 Aaron said that Josh was the more fiery one. But anyways, these two need to get on with their lives and work on their own personal and professional development above all else.

[stuckinsc]

I'm agreeing with you more and more these days stuckinsc, oddly enough since we have opposing opinions/sentiments for the couple. But yes I agree. All this following/unfollowing is ridiculous. But I would also add that Josh being impulsive is not new and not brought on by Andi. Maybe being with Andi aggravated this aspect of his temperament but it was always there. In an article back in 2013 Aaron said that Josh was the more fiery one. But anyways, these two need to get on with their lives and work on their own personal and professional development above all else.

What most didn't see was that I went into that season wanting a Josh and Andi happy ending. I was and continue to be a Murray fan. But I saw beyond the chemistry two people who weren't actually getting to know each other. I hated the constant doubting from Andi, I don't care that your ex cheated, Josh is not him. I also blame Josh, I don't think he ever got to know the real Andi, I think he feel in love with the idea of who she was supposed to be. He didn't see the woman she was changing into.

That is why I was never pro this couple. I hoped that their time in ATL was helping them form that friendship and have a good relationship.

I never liked that his family seemed to be an issue for them. To me that is not good for any couple. Especially with family being such a big issue to Josh.

I really do hope the best for them both. But don't think it is with each other right now. After they grow up some more maybe, but not right now.

[SueSt]

I'm no Andi fan but I took her tweet as her having a sense of humor about the whole situation. I didn't think it was a big deal and I doubt that's why Josh unfollowed her. I'd say it was for a different reason.

[SueSt]

Ok one example was the way Josh handled the Andrew situation with the phone number as opposed to the more calm, and thought-out approach that Marquel adopted with his issue. AAnd ofcourse, the countless times when Josh would post something on SM that was insensitve and he had to retract and delete the tweet. It did that a couple times with issues relating to his brother. So again, it's a fact that Josh is impulsive and rash. I still like Josh and I liked him and Andi together. But they are not perfect. And I just think that in this instance with the constant unfollowing, it is Josh who is the inconsistent one. That is all. The constant following/unfollowing on his part says to me that there are a lot more unresolved issues between them than he is letting on, IMO.

Okay, so for me at least, I wouldn't call any of those examples as "easily angered" to be honest. Impulsive? Sure.

We don't know them personally. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. For all we know, Andi and Josh could have had a conversation yesterday and Josh is just finally and completely done now. It could even be as simple as he doesn't want her many bachelor related tweets in his timeline since he seems like he has completely moved on from the show besides talking to Marcus and Brian.. There could be reasons we don't know about, but for me, I have no issue with it because once a couple breaks up, I just think it's best to let each other go completely and that includes on silly things like social media too.

To me, he has been his most impulsive and "easily angered" in his time with and around Andi.  That was not there in his life or SM before he got together with her.

These two people did not bring out the best in each other.  Andi herself told us that together they didn't get the support they both needed.  

I think they are trying to maintain a friendship, but in truth they never had one.  It was all chemistry and being a couple, they never got to like before they got to lust.

I hope they both unfollow and move on.  They are not what is best for each other right now.  Each should go their separate ways and grow.  If after that they can find that friendship and maybe more great.  But it isn't happening right now and all the following and unfollowing just makes them both look bad.  Best to just let it go for now and move on.

That's what I saw too Stuck. Very true.

[SueSt]

I'm agreeing with you more and more these days stuckinsc, oddly enough since we have opposing opinions/sentiments for the couple. But yes I agree. All this following/unfollowing is ridiculous. But I would also add that Josh being impulsive is not new and not brought on by Andi. Maybe being with Andi aggravated this aspect of his temperament but it was always there. In an article back in 2013 Aaron said that Josh was the more fiery one. But anyways, these two need to get on with their lives and work on their own personal and professional development above all else.

What most didn't see was that I went into that season wanting a Josh and Andi happy ending.  I was and continue to be a Murray fan.  But I saw beyond the chemistry two people who weren't actually getting to know each other.  I hated the constant doubting from Andi, I don't care that your ex cheated, Josh is not him.  I also blame Josh, I don't think he ever got to know the real Andi, I think he feel in love with the idea of who she was supposed to be.  He didn't see the woman she was changing into.

That is why I was never pro this couple.  I hoped that their time in ATL was helping them form that friendship and have a good relationship.

I never liked that his family seemed to be an issue for them.  To me that is not good for any couple.  Especially with family being such a big issue to Josh.

I really do hope the best for them both.  But don't think it is with each other right now.  After they grow up some more maybe, but not right now.

Very well put, Stuck. I think they both fell in love with the fantasy of the other (you look like what I'm supposed to want, you're well liked, you are an ex-athlete, you're from Atlanta, our parents are supportive, etc..). I never saw them connect positively on a real level.... their courtship had too many disagreements - they were often caught being disappointed that the other didn't behave in the way they would have liked.

[traveler90]

**snipped** I took her tweet as her having a sense of humor about the whole situation. I didn't think it was a big deal and I doubt that's why Josh unfollowed her. I'd say it was for a different reason.

I agree and Nick even favored the tweet. ATFR was way more awkward for Nick and Andi during that moment and both have moved on from it. Both casually tweeted about it. I'm not saying that ATFR was easy for Josh but people keep saying that he has moved on from Andi and the Bachelor franchise. If she did something, it has nothing to do with the tweet, JMO of course.

[Guest]

I don't think Josh's unfollow had anything to do with the actual content of the tweets either. Neither Josh or Andi have posted anything on Twitter or IG recently that should have upset or offended the other. They have really been very respectful of each other in that way.

We can speculate all day as to why he may have unfollowed her last night, but we will never know. I don't think it  has to mean that there are mind games being played or that someone is mad at the other. It could be as simple as he was at a basketball game with his friends, he wanted to just have some fun, and he didn't want to keep seeing Andi's posts all night because it made him think about her when he was trying to get her off his mind. I realize it sounds like a stretch, but I think it's as plausible of a theory as any other. We are all assuming things and placing blame based solely on what we see on SM. There is obvioulsy a lot more to their story and their current situation.

I've said this before. I would struggle to constantly have posts from my ex showing up on my SM feeds, especially if I was doing my best to get over them. They don't owe it to any of us "fans" to feel the need to follow the other if it's not in their best interest to move forward and be happy.

[nannymargie]

I'm agreeing with you more and more these days stuckinsc, oddly enough since we have opposing opinions/sentiments for the couple. But yes I agree. All this following/unfollowing is ridiculous. But I would also add that Josh being impulsive is not new and not brought on by Andi. Maybe being with Andi aggravated this aspect of his temperament but it was always there. In an article back in 2013 Aaron said that Josh was the more fiery one. But anyways, these two need to get on with their lives and work on their own personal and professional development above all else.

What most didn't see was that I went into that season wanting a Josh and Andi happy ending.  I was and continue to be a Murray fan.  But I saw beyond the chemistry two people who weren't actually getting to know each other.  I hated the constant doubting from Andi, I don't care that your ex cheated, Josh is not him.  I also blame Josh, I don't think he ever got to know the real Andi, I think he feel in love with the idea of who she was supposed to be.  He didn't see the woman she was changing into.

That is why I was never pro this couple.  I hoped that their time in ATL was helping them form that friendship and have a good relationship.

I never liked that his family seemed to be an issue for them.  To me that is not good for any couple.  Especially with family being such a big issue to Josh.

I really do hope the best for them both.  But don't think it is with each other right now.  After they grow up some more maybe, but not right now.

I think they knew a lot about each other. The constant doubting was played up as part of the story line from TPTB. Andi admitted to Josh she would grill him and he said I like that, you can ask me anything. So that seemed to never bother Josh according to what he said on the show. Andi admitted that they talked a lot and she felt that Josh was her best friend. So I think they knew a lot about each other.

[traveler90]

I don't think Josh's unfollow had anything to do with the actual content of the tweets either. Neither Josh or Andi have posted anything on Twitter or IG recently that should have upset or offended the other. They have really been very respectful of each other in that way.

We can speculate all day as to why he may have unfollowed her last night, but we will never know. I don't think it  has to mean that there are mind games being played or that someone is mad at the other. It could be as simple as he was at a basketball game with his friends, he wanted to just have some fun, and he didn't want to keep seeing Andi's posts all night because it made him think about her when he was trying to get her off his mind. I realize it sounds like a stretch, but I think it's as plausible of a theory as any other. We are all assuming things and placing blame based solely on what we see on SM. There is obvioulsy a lot more to their story and their current situation.

I've said this before. I would struggle to constantly have posts from my ex showing up on my SM feeds, especially if I was doing my best to get over them. They don't owe it to any of us "fans" to feel the need to follow the other if it's not in their best interest to move forward and be happy.

great post Laudergirl, I agree with everything you said.

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