Episode 12 - 8/1 After the Final Rose - Discussion - Spoilers

reason wrote:I have long come to the conclusion any thing ben does he is not final 1 so say the majority on the board. That is one of the reason why I limit myself from posting here it has be come an unpleasant place to be.

I, for one, stayed in the middle this season. I like both guys (JP & Ben) for different reasons and just basically watched & observed the show. Majority of the posters on various boards last year didn't give Roberto a chance as being the F1. However, I stayed in his corner from the first impression rose until the season finale. My motto was, "Win or lose, I am in your corner!" Don't ever give up on who you believe in. In my eyes, Ben is still a winner

reason wrote:I have long come to the conclusion any thing ben does he is not final 1 so say the majority on the board. That is one of the reason why I limit myself from posting here it has be come an unpleasant place to be.

reason, this isn't directed at you but I wanted to quote your post because I really hate to see that people feel like the part of your post that I bolded. It is sad to me to think that people won't post because of ill feelings. I think too often people are so busy trying to convince others to change their mind and that the only correct view is the one they hold. This isn't about changing someone's mind. It is about laying out your view for others to consider. Whether or not they choose to agree with your position or stay true to their position, doesn't matter. What each person sees and how they view the edit is dictated by their own life experiences and preferences. No one view is more valid than another. I for one have been disappointed in my life because something I thought I saw in another, turned out to not be true. Others could see what I couldn't. And sometimes, I saw the truth and others couldn't fathom it. Ultimately everything we see on this show is highly edited to elicit responses at the direction of TPTB. VO's and SC's are spliced and diced until the true version will never be known. San and Love_me have done a great job providing this forum and helping us keep it civil and on track. I hope everyone will do their best to make everyone feel valid and welcome. I think we owe it to Love_me and San.

Peppermom wrote:

reason wrote:I have long come to the conclusion any thing ben does he is not final 1 so say the majority on the board. That is one of the reason why I limit myself from posting here it has be come an unpleasant place to be.

reason, this isn't directed at you but I wanted to quote your post because I really hate to see that people feel like the part of your post that I bolded. It is sad to me to think that people won't post because of ill feelings. I think too often people are so busy trying to convince others to change their mind and that the only correct view is the one they hold. This isn't about changing someone's mind. It is about laying out your view for others to consider. Whether or not they choose to agree with your position or stay true to their position, doesn't matter. What each person sees and how they view the edit is dictated by their own life experiences and preferences. No one view is more valid than another. I for one have been disappointed in my life because something I thought I saw in another, turned out to not be true. Others could see what I couldn't. And sometimes, I saw the truth and others couldn't fathom it. Ultimately everything we see on this show is highly edited to elicit responses at the direction of TPTB. VO's and SC's are spliced and diced until the true version will never be known. San and Love_me have done a great job providing this forum and helping us keep it civil and on track. I hope everyone will do their best to make everyone feel valid and welcome. I think we owe it to Love_me and San.

Nicely said! You should be a politician! :P :P

mnmhughes wrote:

Peppermom wrote:

reason wrote:I have long come to the conclusion any thing ben does he is not final 1 so say the majority on the board. That is one of the reason why I limit myself from posting here it has be come an unpleasant place to be.

reason, this isn't directed at you but I wanted to quote your post because I really hate to see that people feel like the part of your post that I bolded. It is sad to me to think that people won't post because of ill feelings. I think too often people are so busy trying to convince others to change their mind and that the only correct view is the one they hold. This isn't about changing someone's mind. It is about laying out your view for others to consider. Whether or not they choose to agree with your position or stay true to their position, doesn't matter. What each person sees and how they view the edit is dictated by their own life experiences and preferences. No one view is more valid than another. I for one have been disappointed in my life because something I thought I saw in another, turned out to not be true. Others could see what I couldn't. And sometimes, I saw the truth and others couldn't fathom it. Ultimately everything we see on this show is highly edited to elicit responses at the direction of TPTB. VO's and SC's are spliced and diced until the true version will never be known. San and Love_me have done a great job providing this forum and helping us keep it civil and on track. I hope everyone will do their best to make everyone feel valid and welcome. I think we owe it to Love_me and San.

Nicely said! You should be a politician! :P :P

Maybe a dipomat. I read today that a diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to he!! in such a way that you look forward to the trip

Peppermom wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

Peppermom wrote:

reason wrote:I have long come to the conclusion any thing ben does he is not final 1 so say the majority on the board. That is one of the reason why I limit myself from posting here it has be come an unpleasant place to be.

reason, this isn't directed at you but I wanted to quote your post because I really hate to see that people feel like the part of your post that I bolded. It is sad to me to think that people won't post because of ill feelings. I think too often people are so busy trying to convince others to change their mind and that the only correct view is the one they hold. This isn't about changing someone's mind. It is about laying out your view for others to consider. Whether or not they choose to agree with your position or stay true to their position, doesn't matter. What each person sees and how they view the edit is dictated by their own life experiences and preferences. No one view is more valid than another. I for one have been disappointed in my life because something I thought I saw in another, turned out to not be true. Others could see what I couldn't. And sometimes, I saw the truth and others couldn't fathom it. Ultimately everything we see on this show is highly edited to elicit responses at the direction of TPTB. VO's and SC's are spliced and diced until the true version will never be known. San and Love_me have done a great job providing this forum and helping us keep it civil and on track. I hope everyone will do their best to make everyone feel valid and welcome. I think we owe it to Love_me and San.

Nicely said! You should be a politician! :P :P

Maybe a dipomat. I read today that a diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to he!! in such a way that you look forward to the trip

Love it!!!

Peppermom wrote:

reason wrote:I have long come to the conclusion any thing ben does he is not final 1 so say the majority on the board. That is one of the reason why I limit myself from posting here it has be come an unpleasant place to be.

reason, this isn't directed at you but I wanted to quote your post because I really hate to see that people feel like the part of your post that I bolded. It is sad to me to think that people won't post because of ill feelings. I think too often people are so busy trying to convince others to change their mind and that the only correct view is the one they hold. This isn't about changing someone's mind. It is about laying out your view for others to consider. Whether or not they choose to agree with your position or stay true to their position, doesn't matter. What each person sees and how they view the edit is dictated by their own life experiences and preferences. No one view is more valid than another. I for one have been disappointed in my life because something I thought I saw in another, turned out to not be true. Others could see what I couldn't. And sometimes, I saw the truth and others couldn't fathom it. Ultimately everything we see on this show is highly edited to elicit responses at the direction of TPTB. VO's and SC's are spliced and diced until the true version will never be known. San and Love_me have done a great job providing this forum and helping us keep it civil and on track. I hope everyone will do their best to make everyone feel valid and welcome. I think we owe it to Love_me and San.

I dont take your comment personally and yes I am one who might leave. There are some posters here who dont know when to let go or how to speak to someone and it does get your hackles up but that is the name of the game. It would really be nice if they take a minute or two count to ten and then answer like how you do, it would be more pleasant around here.

Peppermom wrote:

reason wrote:I have long come to the conclusion any thing ben does he is not final 1 so say the majority on the board. That is one of the reason why I limit myself from posting here it has be come an unpleasant place to be.

reason, this isn't directed at you but I wanted to quote your post because I really hate to see that people feel like the part of your post that I bolded. It is sad to me to think that people won't post because of ill feelings. I think too often people are so busy trying to convince others to change their mind and that the only correct view is the one they hold. This isn't about changing someone's mind. It is about laying out your view for others to consider. Whether or not they choose to agree with your position or stay true to their position, doesn't matter. What each person sees and how they view the edit is dictated by their own life experiences and preferences. No one view is more valid than another. I for one have been disappointed in my life because something I thought I saw in another, turned out to not be true. Others could see what I couldn't. And sometimes, I saw the truth and others couldn't fathom it. Ultimately everything we see on this show is highly edited to elicit responses at the direction of TPTB. VO's and SC's are spliced and diced until the true version will never be known. San and Love_me have done a great job providing this forum and helping us keep it civil and on track. I hope everyone will do their best to make everyone feel valid and welcome. I think we owe it to Love_me and San.

Very well said!!
It has been mentioned that this was turning out to be a fan board. I can see how some might see that, but my question for Love Me or San is: Was this site designed to NOT be a fan site?? My recollection is the the only rule is that everyone treats everyone with respect, so having unwavering supporters of one contestant would still fall within the guidelines - right??

I do appreciate Love_Me and San! They have really put a lot of time & effort into this site. They are awesome.

Thanks reason. I hope you and all the other posters who aren't real happy right now stay around.

Anders:

Rosepetal wrote:

albean99 wrote:So far I haven't seen any proof that Ben's been seen with Britt for whatever reason. You'd think someone would have taken a pic but RS didn't offer up anything.

Marissa May's tweet is good enough for me.

1. It's very doubtful that Marissa intended this tweet to confirm that they've met if she even knows. She was standing up for a friend.

2. Not knowing the situation if they did meet, how can Ben be held to the high standard that he not be seen with a woman including one who's a former Bachelorette? Perhaps they ran into each other somewhere in SF, were at the same party, have a mutual friend, ....... The thing is we don't know anything and I'd hazard a guess that RS doesn't either.

Not saying this is what happened or even likely but Fleiss could be involved. Didn't he get Ali to have her friends send out misinformation emails? I'm not holding out hope that Ben is the f1 but it doesn't sit right that Fleiss is not only giving us JP on a platter but even worse for him - RS. Seems beyond strange to me.

I'm mostly staying in Ben's forum these days or lurking because the JP lovefest is boring to me and my sleuthing posts tend to get discounted immediately and then ignored. Even still this is a million times better than FORT and LoveMe and San along with Cupcakes are great.

LaureanT wrote:I do appreciate Love_Me and San! They have really put a lot of time & effort into this site. They are awesome.

Thank you for the kind words. San and I are trying our very best to make this place a site people go to in order to escape the stresses of their real lives. This should not be a place people get even more stressed out when they sign on to view the board. It might take some time, but I have faith we can get it back on track.