Episode 12 - 8/1 After the Final Rose - Discussion - Spoilers

Well, they finally showed us the love story for a change.

Coastal wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ironcat wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ironcat wrote:Honestly, if it weren't for my enjoyment of watching JP, and seeing him fall for Ashley, this season would have been a bust for me as far as entertainment. Boring dates for the most part. I commend all the non-JP fans for sticking it out actually, I wouldn't have.

I for one saw a different love story happening, equally as fixating to enjoy watching the show.

Sorry, I'm confused. I thought you said you were a neutral poster. If you were fixated by a love story, that doesn't sound very neutral or dispassionate to me.

Just because I am neutral, doesn't mean I don't have eyes and can see a different love story happening. :Nod:

now that's laughable

Thanks so much for the gracious respect that you are showing here..........

No, YOU are the one who has shown such an unfortunate lack of respect for everyone! No one has succeeded in stopping you from saying whatever comes into your head at any given time. You post obsessively over and over again, challenging and confronting anyone who dares to have a different opinion. You have shown no tolerance for honest, reasonable disagreement. Yet somehow when all is said and done, it is all about you and your hurt feeling and you being disrespected or whatever feeling you may have. You have not assumed your share of responsibility for what has happened here. It is always someone else's fault.

Rather than ganging up on you, what I have done is try to avoid any direct interaction with you at all costs. Finally, I couldn't stand it any longer and felt the need to stand up for a new member who was trying to express her point of view, which just happened to differ with yours. The fact that you felt the need to resort to insulting her, tells me that you did not have a reasonable and rational reply.

There is an old saying - you reap what you sow. That is what you are experiencing. Or are you going to say that we are all horrible, evil people who are just attacking you for no reason? Is that how you intend to spin this latest brouhaha? How come you are always at the center of the storm? How many times have you seen me post here recently? You are the one who jumps from one topic thread to another, becoming increasingly histrionic and melodramatic if there is even a smidgen or hint of disagreement.

This forum was created without strict rules about conduct and behavior. So we are basically on the honor system. I will match my conduct against yours and let others decide for themselves. The one thing I do know is that I have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive. It's not about being right or my ego or imposing my views on others. I have always encouraged people to think for themselves, even if they choose to disagree with me. I have no problem with that. I can respect others and allow them to have the dignity of forming their own opinion. Can you?

Instead of attacking others all the time, why don't you take a good look at your own conduct here. Just because you don't like what someone says, does not give you the right to be uncivil. I took a break from this forum and I came back to see that you made one comment after another to the one post I made. When is it enough? I feel as though you are ganging up on anyone who has a point of view to which you do not subscribe.

Sometimes a kind word turn things around, meeting anger with anger or disrespect with disrespect does no one any good.

I guess if I were to believe what has been said around here lately about me, one would then think that I have never contributed anything good.

Coastal wrote:I guess if I were to believe what has been said around here lately about me, one would then think that I have never contributed anything good.

You have contributed a lot Coastal. Posters appreciate all the charts you have made and the many locations you sleuthed out.

The best thing for both parties would be to end this discussion here. Two wrongs do not make a right, no matter how late they are done. Everyone should just move on and discuss something else. The past is the past. Everyone should consider from this moment on a new start for everyone involved and not bring up anything before this point.

Nativenewyorker wrote:

Coastal wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ironcat wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ironcat wrote:Honestly, if it weren't for my enjoyment of watching JP, and seeing him fall for Ashley, this season would have been a bust for me as far as entertainment. Boring dates for the most part. I commend all the non-JP fans for sticking it out actually, I wouldn't have.

I for one saw a different love story happening, equally as fixating to enjoy watching the show.

Sorry, I'm confused. I thought you said you were a neutral poster. If you were fixated by a love story, that doesn't sound very neutral or dispassionate to me.

Just because I am neutral, doesn't mean I don't have eyes and can see a different love story happening. :Nod:

now that's laughable

Thanks so much for the gracious respect that you are showing here..........

No, YOU are the one who has shown such an unfortunate lack of respect for everyone! No one has succeeded in stopping you from saying whatever comes into your head at any given time. You post obsessively over and over again, challenging and confronting anyone who dares to have a different opinion. You have shown no tolerance for honest, reasonable disagreement. Yet somehow when all is said and done, it is all about you and your hurt feeling and you being disrespected or whatever feeling you may have. You have not assumed your share of responsibility for what has happened here. It is always someone else's fault.

Rather than ganging up on you, what I have done is try to avoid any direct interaction with you at all costs. Finally, I couldn't stand it any longer and felt the need to stand up for a new member who was trying to express her point of view, which just happened to differ with yours. The fact that you felt the need to resort to insulting her, tells me that you did not have a reasonable and rational reply.

There is an old saying - you reap what you sow. That is what you are experiencing. Or are you going to say that we are all horrible, evil people who are just attacking you for no reason? Is that how you intend to spin this latest brouhaha? How come you are always at the center of the storm? How many times have you seen me post here recently? You are the one who jumps from one topic thread to another, becoming increasingly histrionic and melodramatic if there is even a smidgen or hint of disagreement.

This forum was created without strict rules about conduct and behavior. So we are basically on the honor system. I will match my conduct against yours and let others decide for themselves. The one thing I do know is that I have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive. It's not about being right or my ego or imposing my views on others. I have always encouraged people to think for themselves, even if they choose to disagree with me. I have no problem with that. I can respect others and allow them to have the dignity of forming their own opinion. Can you?

Instead of attacking others all the time, why don't you take a good look at your own conduct here. Just because you don't like what someone says, does not give you the right to be uncivil. I took a break from this forum and I came back to see that you made one comment after another to the one post I made. When is it enough? I feel as though you are ganging up on anyone who has a point of view to which you do not subscribe.

Thank you NativeNewYorker.

Coastal wrote:I guess if I were to believe what has been said around here lately about me, one would then think that I have never contributed anything good.

Coastal that is not what is being said here. What is being said is that you were not willing to accept that maybe other people see things differently than you, and that they had that right. For me it got to the stage where I would skip over almost every one of your responses because it felt as though you couldn't accept that others may not see things quite the way you do.

I said earlier than in order to be someone who provides spoilers you have to do it dispassionately (similar to the way that BlondieGal posts her spoilers). Unfortunately, you showed dislike for JP and bias for Ben (who I think is a fantastic guy).

Please do not take offense at my words. NativeNewYorker is right Love and San have provided a great forum for all of us to interact without too may rules, and I happen to love it here.

Take care.

Gina wrote:

Nativenewyorker wrote:

Coastal wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ironcat wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ironcat wrote:Honestly, if it weren't for my enjoyment of watching JP, and seeing him fall for Ashley, this season would have been a bust for me as far as entertainment. Boring dates for the most part. I commend all the non-JP fans for sticking it out actually, I wouldn't have.

I for one saw a different love story happening, equally as fixating to enjoy watching the show.

Sorry, I'm confused. I thought you said you were a neutral poster. If you were fixated by a love story, that doesn't sound very neutral or dispassionate to me.

Just because I am neutral, doesn't mean I don't have eyes and can see a different love story happening. :Nod:

now that's laughable

Thanks so much for the gracious respect that you are showing here..........

No, YOU are the one who has shown such an unfortunate lack of respect for everyone! No one has succeeded in stopping you from saying whatever comes into your head at any given time. You post obsessively over and over again, challenging and confronting anyone who dares to have a different opinion. You have shown no tolerance for honest, reasonable disagreement. Yet somehow when all is said and done, it is all about you and your hurt feeling and you being disrespected or whatever feeling you may have. You have not assumed your share of responsibility for what has happened here. It is always someone else's fault.

Rather than ganging up on you, what I have done is try to avoid any direct interaction with you at all costs. Finally, I couldn't stand it any longer and felt the need to stand up for a new member who was trying to express her point of view, which just happened to differ with yours. The fact that you felt the need to resort to insulting her, tells me that you did not have a reasonable and rational reply.

There is an old saying - you reap what you sow. That is what you are experiencing. Or are you going to say that we are all horrible, evil people who are just attacking you for no reason? Is that how you intend to spin this latest brouhaha? How come you are always at the center of the storm? How many times have you seen me post here recently? You are the one who jumps from one topic thread to another, becoming increasingly histrionic and melodramatic if there is even a smidgen or hint of disagreement.

This forum was created without strict rules about conduct and behavior. So we are basically on the honor system. I will match my conduct against yours and let others decide for themselves. The one thing I do know is that I have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive. It's not about being right or my ego or imposing my views on others. I have always encouraged people to think for themselves, even if they choose to disagree with me. I have no problem with that. I can respect others and allow them to have the dignity of forming their own opinion. Can you?

Instead of attacking others all the time, why don't you take a good look at your own conduct here. Just because you don't like what someone says, does not give you the right to be uncivil. I took a break from this forum and I came back to see that you made one comment after another to the one post I made. When is it enough? I feel as though you are ganging up on anyone who has a point of view to which you do not subscribe.

Thank you NativeNewYorker.

I appreciate your kind comments, but as you see I have not been heard. It goes on and on and on. I give up. Did anyone see me say anything about not contributing anything good on this forum? It has all fallen on deaf ears.

I would really like to move on and enjoy this night which has given me so much happiness. I saw a love story, believed it all and never wavered. At this point, I want to celebrate JP and Ashley and try my best to leave this unpleasantness behind.

Nativenewyorker wrote:

Gina wrote:

Nativenewyorker wrote:

Coastal wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ironcat wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ironcat wrote:Honestly, if it weren't for my enjoyment of watching JP, and seeing him fall for Ashley, this season would have been a bust for me as far as entertainment. Boring dates for the most part. I commend all the non-JP fans for sticking it out actually, I wouldn't have.

I for one saw a different love story happening, equally as fixating to enjoy watching the show.

Sorry, I'm confused. I thought you said you were a neutral poster. If you were fixated by a love story, that doesn't sound very neutral or dispassionate to me.

Just because I am neutral, doesn't mean I don't have eyes and can see a different love story happening. :Nod:

now that's laughable

Thanks so much for the gracious respect that you are showing here..........

No, YOU are the one who has shown such an unfortunate lack of respect for everyone! No one has succeeded in stopping you from saying whatever comes into your head at any given time. You post obsessively over and over again, challenging and confronting anyone who dares to have a different opinion. You have shown no tolerance for honest, reasonable disagreement. Yet somehow when all is said and done, it is all about you and your hurt feeling and you being disrespected or whatever feeling you may have. You have not assumed your share of responsibility for what has happened here. It is always someone else's fault.

Rather than ganging up on you, what I have done is try to avoid any direct interaction with you at all costs. Finally, I couldn't stand it any longer and felt the need to stand up for a new member who was trying to express her point of view, which just happened to differ with yours. The fact that you felt the need to resort to insulting her, tells me that you did not have a reasonable and rational reply.

There is an old saying - you reap what you sow. That is what you are experiencing. Or are you going to say that we are all horrible, evil people who are just attacking you for no reason? Is that how you intend to spin this latest brouhaha? How come you are always at the center of the storm? How many times have you seen me post here recently? You are the one who jumps from one topic thread to another, becoming increasingly histrionic and melodramatic if there is even a smidgen or hint of disagreement.

This forum was created without strict rules about conduct and behavior. So we are basically on the honor system. I will match my conduct against yours and let others decide for themselves. The one thing I do know is that I have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive. It's not about being right or my ego or imposing my views on others. I have always encouraged people to think for themselves, even if they choose to disagree with me. I have no problem with that. I can respect others and allow them to have the dignity of forming their own opinion. Can you?

Instead of attacking others all the time, why don't you take a good look at your own conduct here. Just because you don't like what someone says, does not give you the right to be uncivil. I took a break from this forum and I came back to see that you made one comment after another to the one post I made. When is it enough? I feel as though you are ganging up on anyone who has a point of view to which you do not subscribe.

Thank you NativeNewYorker.

I appreciate your kind comments, but as you see I have not been heard. It goes on and on and on. I give up. Did anyone see me say anything about not contributing anything good on this forum? It has all fallen on deaf ears.

I would really like to move on and enjoy this night which has given me so much happiness. I saw a love story, believed it all and never wavered. At this point, I want to celebrate JP and Ashley and try my best to leave this unpleasantness behind.

I saw your post..........don't agree with it, choosing not to respond anymore than that...........let it be heard, I have been completely been run up one side and the other this week.............been treated with complete and utter disrespect both on the board and in some PM's. Choosing not to respond anymore.

I don't think it's a matter of contribution so much as a matter of respect for everyone.

CarrieAlexander wrote:I don't think it's a matter of contribution so much as a matter of respect for everyone.

Thank you. I agree completely! Beautifully said!