Episode 12 - 8/1 After the Final Rose - Discussion - Spoilers

apenglishronzie wrote:Ok so I am a total newbie when it comes to Bachelorette postings, but I have watched all the seasons. This has probably been brought up before, but to me it seems like majority of the 2nd place guys often have some sort of emotional story. It's as though the producers realise the lead has chosen someone they have obvious chemistry with. It is then evident, that they need a filler character who the audience roots for to detract from the clear winner. Evidence for this would be Jason (single father Deanna's season) but she choose snowboarder Jesse,Chris ( dealing with grief over the passing of his mother Ali's season) Ali choose Roberto and now I feel like Ben may be occupying this dreaded position because IMO she has way more chemistry with JP, and in her PI's she says she has feelings for Ben the same way I say I ate Cheerios for breakfast. I guess we will have to wait and see but I hope it's JP!

P.S Is this the right place to post theories like this?

apenglishronzie wrote:Ok so I am a total newbie when it comes to Bachelorette postings, but I have watched all the seasons. This has probably been brought up before, but to me it seems like majority of the 2nd place guys often have some sort of emotional story. It's as though the producers realise the lead has chosen someone they have obvious chemistry with. It is then evident, that they need a filler character who the audience roots for to detract from the clear winner. Evidence for this would be Jason (single father Deanna's season) but she choose snowboarder Jesse,Chris ( dealing with grief over the passing of his mother Ali's season) Ali choose Roberto and now I feel like Ben may be occupying this dreaded position because IMO she has way more chemistry with JP, and in her PI's she says she has feelings for Ben the same way I say I ate Cheerios for breakfast. I guess we will have to wait and see but I hope it's JP!

P.S Is this the right place to post theories like this?

apenglishronzie wrote:Ok so I am a total newbie when it comes to Bachelorette postings, but I have watched all the seasons. This has probably been brought up before, but to me it seems like majority of the 2nd place guys often have some sort of emotional story. It's as though the producers realise the lead has chosen someone they have obvious chemistry with. It is then evident, that they need a filler character who the audience roots for to detract from the clear winner. Evidence for this would be Jason (single father Deanna's season) but she choose snowboarder Jesse,Chris ( dealing with grief over the passing of his mother Ali's season) Ali choose Roberto and now I feel like Ben may be occupying this dreaded position because IMO she has way more chemistry with JP, and in her PI's she says she has feelings for Ben the same way I say I ate Cheerios for breakfast. I guess we will have to wait and see but I hope it's JP!

P.S Is this the right place to post theories like this?

sydney1 wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Reidiscool wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:What was it that Ashley said about JP after their first conversation? Something about him calling her cupcake?

Something like.."he's cute but I'm not sure he'll be the one calling me cupcake in the end"

LOL! That comment struck me when I heard it.

This part is not in reply to your post. She gave him another date because she felt bad that she was in a funk on their first date. She was trying to make it up to him.
I know if I'm into a guy initially, first night, and I'm really positive that the majority too...won't be carrying on over another guy. That initial, first night guy will have my focus.

So you think she was just being nice and was not really into him, that is a different position, never thought about it that way. If that was true, why do you think she shared so much of the Bently stuff with him. I see your point and anything is possible, but I just don't believe Ashley was as into Bentley as was shown. Yes, she liked him and wanted him because she was told she could not have him. It was not real and I think she had to do what she did to get it out of her system. In the meantime she was going on flirting and testing the water with other guys, JP included. I do believe JP was on her radar from the first night , but Bentley was more of a challenge and she had to try that first. I do believe you can be interested in more than one person at a time. They just fill different needs at that time. Now , Ashley is at the finish line and she is putting it all together. I think Ashley is a very physical person and she will pick someone who she has a strong physical relationship with. I see a physical relationship with both. In the end it is Ashley decision and there are things we don't see but only going by what we think and the edit we are being shown.

Now having said all that, my personal pick for Ashley is JP. JP and Ashley appear to be on the same page in their life right now. They share the look, you know the one I am talking about.imo I don't think Ashley is a good fit for Ben. It is not just about Ben is this great guy, and they are cute together. They are at two different places in their life right now. After the HTD, I believe Ashley has given Ben the greatest gift she can give him. She gave him the ability to open himself again and realize that he can love. However, he may be her F1 and if he is I wish them the best. I do believe they really like each other, I just don't think it is love. jmo

sjcaligurl wrote:
She wasn't in love with anyone the first night. She already liked JP as evidenced by her planting a big kiss on him at the second rose ceremony. Bentley had an edge because he'd comforted her after the roast and he made her feel better when William couldn't/didn't. By the same token, she couldn't have been all that into Bentley, IMO, if she was making out with JP the way she did in episodes 3 and 4. I think that at that point, Bentley was some mental tick she couldn't get rid of. Had he not left saying something about a dot, dot, dot I don't think she would have given him a second thought. I think it is the same part of her personality that led her to the dental profession that drives her to need every I dotted and every t crossed before she can move on. Not being that meticulous in her profession can end up in a lawsuit. It was her feelings for JP that drove her to talk to Bentley again not so much her desire to reunite again. She wanted the period - period - and once she got it, she was full force into JP ... The other guys who weren't getting time were never competing with Bentley, they were competing with JP. JP was the only one competing with Bentley and she got rid of him.

sjcaligurl wrote:

sydney1 wrote:

pbmax wrote:

Reidiscool wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:What was it that Ashley said about JP after their first conversation? Something about him calling her cupcake?

Something like.."he's cute but I'm not sure he'll be the one calling me cupcake in the end"

LOL! That comment struck me when I heard it.

This part is not in reply to your post. She gave him another date because she felt bad that she was in a funk on their first date. She was trying to make it up to him.
I know if I'm into a guy initially, first night, and I'm really positive that the majority too...won't be carrying on over another guy. That initial, first night guy will have my focus.

So you think she was just being nice and was not really into him, that is a different position, never thought about it that way. If that was true, why do you think she shared so much of the Bently stuff with him. I see your point and anything is possible, but I just don't believe Ashley was as into Bentley as was shown. Yes, she liked him and wanted him because she was told she could not have him. It was not real and I think she had to do what she did to get it out of her system. In the meantime she was going on flirting and testing the water with other guys, JP included. I do believe JP was on her radar from the first night , but Bentley was more of a challenge and she had to try that first. I do believe you can be interested in more than one person at a time. They just fill different needs at that time. Now , Ashley is at the finish line and she is putting it all together. I think Ashley is a very physical person and she will pick someone who she has a strong physical relationship with. I see a physical relationship with both. In the end it is Ashley decision and there are things we don't see but only going by what we think and the edit we are being shown.

Now having said all that, my personal pick for Ashley is JP. JP and Ashley appear to be on the same page in their life right now. They share the look, you know the one I am talking about.imo I don't think Ashley is a good fit for Ben. It is not just about Ben is this great guy, and they are cute together. They are at two different places in their life right now. After the HTD, I believe Ashley has given Ben the greatest gift she can give him. She gave him the ability to open himself again and realize that he can love. However, he may be her F1 and if he is I wish them the best. I do believe they really like each other, I just don't think it is love. jmo

She wasn't in love with anyone the first night. She already liked JP as evidenced by her planting a big kiss on him at the second rose ceremony. Bentley had an edge because he'd comforted her after the roast and he made her feel better when William couldn't/didn't. By the same token, she couldn't have been all that into Bentley, IMO, if she was making out with JP the way she did in episodes 3 and 4. I think that at that point, Bentley was some mental tick she couldn't get rid of. Had he not left saying something about a dot, dot, dot I don't think she would have given him a second thought. I think it is the same part of her personality that led her to the dental profession that drives her to need every I dotted and every t crossed before she can move on. Not being that meticulous in her profession can end up in a lawsuit. It was her feelings for JP that drove her to talk to Bentley again not so much her desire to reunite again. She wanted the period - period - and once she got it, she was full force into JP ... The other guys who weren't getting time were never competing with Bentley, they were competing with JP. JP was the only one competing with Bentley and she got rid of him.

ironcat wrote:Honestly, if it weren't for my enjoyment of watching JP, and seeing him fall for Ashley, this season would have been a bust for me as far as entertainment. Boring dates for the most part. I commend all the non-JP fans for sticking it out actually, I wouldn't have.

philphan wrote:I must be an old stick in the mud. I didn't really find this season that boring. I finally saw a love story develop in front of my eyes and saw people having real conversation and doing things that they would do in real life. I will say that some of the dates were a little ridiculous though. Not a big fan of the boxing date or wedding photos date either.

I guess for ME it's not the adrenaline dates....it's the storyline that builds with the F1/F2 that makes for a good show. Fleiss was generous to us in that respect this season.

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albean99 wrote:

JBF wrote:

Diana wrote: think her top 4 for the first night were JP, ..., Will and Ryan

What makes the situation so bad is that she does not PI about Ben that first episode. He comments on HER though. The ones she discusses on screen are Ryan, JP, Willie, Bentley, drunk Tim and Jeff. This, for me, was the first red flag against Ben being final 1. You would think they would include SOME comment suggesting that she remembered their conversation.

On the plus side, we DID see his 1 on 1 with her. Ames' was missing and Constantine's was an "extra" deleted scene.

It all depends what edit they're going for with Ben if he's the f1. It's not usual but everyone keeps saying this season is different and it is in a way because the Bentley drama went on for so long and she gave him so much of her attention. If Ben's the f2 it's just as important to show him as the alternative from early on. It's possible Ben's getting the slow burning love edit, the dark horse who slowly but surely wins her heart, the Tortoise and the Hare --- take your pick. We do have some indication about it from some DH comments.

Thanks for explaining, GrahamGal. When you said he got a group date rose I was thinking about the one he got alone. We can't say for sure that Ben didn't get time with Ashley or a kiss either time because we didn't see it but it appeared that everyone got time with her. When was it he said he'd kissed Ashley to JP & Blake?

I think he said it to JP in the Las Vegas episode but I'm not positive. So he's at least been with her before episode 4 but TPTB chose not to show that kiss. Can someone with a better memory help me out here?

I thought he said it to JP in episode 4 before the group date (please correct me if I'm wrong) and they were both talking with Blake about Ashley possibly kissing Constantine. It's not clear whether or not Ben was just joking with JP or if he really did kiss her.

Yes, this is correct. Ben ,I think jokingly told JP and Blake that he also kissed Ashley and Blake said to him" you are full of s__t. ,This was the same segment where JP admitted to the 2 guys that he is "on the way" of falling in love w Ashley and Ben said to him that he is seeing it happen and advised JP not to think too much abt other guys kissing Ashley or he will drive himself crazy. It is clear that JP was more emotionally invested by episode 4 compared to the other guys and the guys sees it and they like to tease /rag JP abt it.

apenglishronzie wrote:Ok so I am a total newbie when it comes to Bachelorette postings, but I have watched all the seasons. This has probably been brought up before, but to me it seems like majority of the 2nd place guys often have some sort of emotional story. It's as though the producers realise the lead has chosen someone they have obvious chemistry with. It is then evident, that they need a filler character who the audience roots for to detract from the clear winner. Evidence for this would be Jason (single father Deanna's season) but she choose snowboarder Jesse,Chris ( dealing with grief over the passing of his mother Ali's season) Ali choose Roberto and now I feel like Ben may be occupying this dreaded position because IMO she has way more chemistry with JP, and in her PI's she says she has feelings for Ben the same way I say I ate Cheerios for breakfast. I guess we will have to wait and see but I hope it's JP!

P.S Is this the right place to post theories like this?