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Post by soccermom333 Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:30 pm

Well he has that killer smile but does not have his sparkle back. I have no doubt he will though. Smiley Happy he is out and with friends and family.
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Post by aviej Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:59 am

More and more I think it's Josh that broke things off. I just go back to some of the posts of Josh's friends Cody and Kali, but more so Kali because Cody's post could have been in reference to Michelle. Her post "life is funny at revealing people's true colors" speaks volumes to me. To me it shows that Andi at some point either stopped feeling and started acting - or she felt less and acted more. I have to wonder her statement in Jezebel about if all of the glam etc were taken away she'd still be happy and content to just have Josh out of all of it. I really wonder now if that is true. The next few weeks will be very telling. Wish we had more details though, like having one of his neighbors on the forum. I wonder if Andi cleared out all of her belongings as Josh's already.
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Post by nannymargie Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:13 am

aviej wrote:More and more I think it's Josh that broke things off. I just go back to some of the posts of Josh's friends Cody and Kali, but more so Kali because Cody's post could have been in reference to Michelle. Her post "life is funny at revealing people's true colors" speaks volumes to me. To me it shows that Andi at some point either stopped feeling and started acting - or she felt less and acted more.  I have to wonder her statement in Jezebel about if all of the glam etc were taken away she'd still be happy and content to just have Josh out of all of it. I really wonder now if that is true. The next few weeks will be very telling. Wish we had more details though, like having one of his neighbors on the forum. I wonder if Andi cleared out all of her belongings as Josh's already.

I agree, I think Andi was liking all the traveling and celebrity status they were having a little too much and got distracted from what was important. I think Josh went along with it but was getting tired of it because he wanted to get married and start a family. I truly feel that if Andi would have stayed more grounded the wedding would be happening in May. Maybe this is Andi's wake up call to realize it was Josh and a family she wanted all along.
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Post by aviej Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:25 am

Exactly, I remember Andi like bragging in an interview I believe in Atlantic City - we're here we're there, we're everywhere it seems like and Josh cut in and said it was great having a good influence on people. He was steering her away from bragging about all the perks of the new fame, I do think he is more grounded - he's been there, done that before so he sees fame for what it truely is. Now that Andi has experienced fame and the spotlight would be shifted off her to Chris, I hope she doesn't desperately hold onto the straws of stardom and see it for what it is or was - a 15minutes in the spotlight and get back to reality with Josh!
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Post by Maggenzm Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:44 am

aviej wrote:More and more I think it's Josh that broke things off. I just go back to some of the posts of Josh's friends Cody and Kali, but more so Kali because Cody's post could have been in reference to Michelle. Her post "life is funny at revealing people's true colors" speaks volumes to me. To me it shows that Andi at some point either stopped feeling and started acting - or she felt less and acted more.  I have to wonder her statement in Jezebel about if all of the glam etc were taken away she'd still be happy and content to just have Josh out of all of it. I really wonder now if that is true. The next few weeks will be very telling. Wish we had more details though, like having one of his neighbors on the forum. I wonder if Andi cleared out all of her belongings as Josh's already.

So, what happened to Michel and Cody? I go out of town for 3 weeks and every body breaks up. What's going on?
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Post by aviej Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:51 am

Michelle and Cody lasted 6mths - he had moved to Utah, but I think based on his posts he found Michelle to be fake.
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Post by Guest Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:18 pm

I think Josh's faith and upbringing have a lot to do this breakup and how he will handle it. He's learned to be charitable, his entire family has shown they believe in giving back and helping others. He still showed up to his Advocare event because he probably didn't want to disappoint his fans and because he truly wants to help people. I haven't heard anyone say yet that Andi was there. My guess is he will still show up at the event next week even if it's on his own only because he won't want to disappoint people. Josh will use his platform to help others while Andi will use hers for personal gain, that's the biggest difference I see in them, when it all comes down to it they don't have the same beliefs or values IMO

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Post by Maggenzm Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:14 pm

If anything we have learned from this season, is that it doesn't matter how much chemistry there is btw a couple, their value system has to be the same, and that's one thing I don't think they had in common and we just overlooked it IMO. I wish them the very best.
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Post by Maggenzm Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:20 pm

aviej wrote:Michelle and Cody lasted 6mths - he had moved to Utah, but I think based on his posts he found Michelle to be fake.

I guess it's a good thing they moved together, it helped them figure out quicker if they are right for one another.
All of the bach alumini have said that they don't know that they are right for one another until they have spent some time together.
I remember every time Des was asked if Andi and Josh will make it, she always said, it takes living together to really know, meaning only time will tell.
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Post by aviej Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:34 pm

I don't always agree, I didn't live with my husband before marriage and I don't prescribe it as it can do more harm than good. But yes I would admit it would give you inside information to their domestic habits etc. Look at Sean and Cat, they didn't live together but yet they knew each other well enough to get married. Different strokes for different folks I guess...
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Post by umngirl Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:41 pm

^Well technically they did under the same roof for 3 months out in Cali so they didn't totally hold off on living together. Plus they usually always stayed at each other's places so they were rarely apart.

I don't think living together is what did Andi and Josh in. They just weren't ultimately compatible long term unless one or both changed who they were.


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Post by stuckinsc Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:41 pm

Maggenzm wrote:
aviej wrote:Michelle and Cody lasted 6mths - he had moved to Utah, but I think based on his posts he found Michelle to be fake.

I guess it's a good thing they moved together, it helped them figure out quicker if they are right for one another.
All of the bach alumini have said that they don't know that they are right for one another until they have spent some time together.
I remember every time Des was asked if Andi and Josh will make it, she always said, it takes living together to really know, meaning only time will tell.

aviej wrote:I don't always agree, I didn't live with my husband before marriage and I don't prescribe it as it can do more harm than good. But yes I would admit it would give you inside information to their domestic habits etc. Look at Sean and Cat, they didn't live together but yet they knew each other well enough to get married. Different strokes for different folks I guess...

I think more than living together maybe Des just meant that they have to experience life together outside the glare of the show. Des never really has a negative word for anyone, so I just can't imagine her meaning it in a bad way.
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