Episode 8 - 7/18 Hometown dates - Discussion - Spoilers

Gina wrote:Beader, I hear ya. Did anyone see Ashley with a package that looked like food or any bags, getting into the car to leave, when JP leaned all the way in and kissed her?
If not, who and when did the leftovers get to her hotel? hmmmm I'd love to know that answer.

beader wrote:

Gina wrote:Beader, I hear ya. Did anyone see Ashley with a package that looked like food or any bags, getting into the car to leave, when JP leaned all the way in and kissed her?
If not, who and when did the leftovers get to her hotel? hmmmm I'd love to know that answer.

Good question? I hope she didn't just forget them like I usually do my "doggie" bags! We know Ash loves her food and can afford to eat up.

Gina wrote:

beader wrote:

Gina wrote:Beader, I hear ya. Did anyone see Ashley with a package that looked like food or any bags, getting into the car to leave, when JP leaned all the way in and kissed her?
If not, who and when did the leftovers get to her hotel? hmmmm I'd love to know that answer.

Good question? I hope she didn't just forget them like I usually do my "doggie" bags! We know Ash loves her food and can afford to eat up.

Oh, it would be convenient for her to forget them and Mama R take them to her to continue their chat in privacy, in the event TPTB whisked JP back to his hotel. Wonder where his hotel was compared to where Ashley's hotel was in NYC? Did JP have to don his Spidey costume and swing from skyscraper to skyscraper carrying food. Inquiring minds want to know.

2observe wrote:

bing2262 wrote:

Gina wrote:

bing2262 wrote:Ben was practically non-existent in the show until the orphanage group date on episode 4 where he got the GRD rose. JP was one of the front runners since episode 1. JP had a good lead over Ben in terms of emotional and physical connection with Ashley and you can see that in the pajama date, the cute SC of Ashley playfully hugging JP's leg and their passionate kisses at the beach , how pained and concerned she was when JP was being pummeled by Mickey in Thai boxing and her happiness when JP won the fight etc, etc. IMO,JP was Ashley's F1 since episode 3.

Ben tried his best to win Ashley's heart but JP had already won her heart completely on their HK date on episode 6,which according to Ashley in her blog was the start of her honest, truthful love story. JP also said in his Vlog that their HK date was the turning point and the episode that he will never forget.

And regarding Ashley holding on to JP's leg for dear life while he's painting, (of course TPTB didn't show it, they wanted us to think JP and Ashley didn't flirt on that date). I guess they did get their 'flirting time' in on that date, even before the hot beach in the rain that night. :Nod: It's been said that TPTB select and buy the gifts anyway, no big deal to me. JMO

Here are some SCs as proof how strong JP and ASh feel about each other up until HK.

Well imo, this just supports JP having a physical edit.

ironcat wrote:

2observe wrote:

bing2262 wrote:Ben was practically non-existent in the show until the orphanage group date on episode 4 where he got the GRD rose. JP was one of the front runners since episode 1. JP had a good lead over Ben in terms of emotional and physical connection with Ashley and you can see that in the pajama date, the cute SC of Ashley playfully hugging JP's leg and their passionate kisses at the beach , how pained and concerned she was when JP was being pummeled by Mickey in Thai boxing and her happiness when JP won the fight etc, etc. IMO,JP was Ashley's F1 since episode 3.

Ben tried his best to win Ashley's heart but JP had already won her heart completely on their HK date , episode 6,which according to Ashley in her blog was the start of her honest, truthful love story. JP also said in his Vlog that their HK date was the turning point and the episode that he will never forget.

Ben wasn't shown in the beginning because Bentley was the focus for her F1, remember? You only saw Ben emerge after Bentley left, making Ben the new F1. It was after Bentley left that I notice Ashley referring to her husband being there. What has Ben done, aside from just being who he is, to win Ashley's heart??? I remember Ben talking about how Ashley was "buzzing" around him to get his attention. jmo

After Bentley left and she lost interest in William and Ryan, Ash was down to just JP as far as her favorites, and while she may have been happy to stop the show right there, the producers needed her to find a few other guys to bring to F4, so she gave Ben a second look. You're right, she needed to get his attention in Phuket, because prior to that, he was more interested in hanging out with the other guys and teasing JP by pretending he had kissed Ashley (despite having spent limited time with her because he wasn't aggressive), and she found she liked him well enough to consider putting him in her possible top 4, and that's why he got a date his first solo date the following week (5). Unfortunately for him, he was already several steps behind JP, and has been playing catchup ever since. If Ben was her new F1, why didn't she tell him about Bentley before telling JP, and why not even give him the courtesy to tell him privately instead of lumping him in with the other guys? Pretty rude on her part I'd say.

Coastal wrote:

2observe wrote:

bing2262 wrote:

Gina wrote:

bing2262 wrote:Ben was practically non-existent in the show until the orphanage group date on episode 4 where he got the GRD rose. JP was one of the front runners since episode 1. JP had a good lead over Ben in terms of emotional and physical connection with Ashley and you can see that in the pajama date, the cute SC of Ashley playfully hugging JP's leg and their passionate kisses at the beach , how pained and concerned she was when JP was being pummeled by Mickey in Thai boxing and her happiness when JP won the fight etc, etc. IMO,JP was Ashley's F1 since episode 3.

Ben tried his best to win Ashley's heart but JP had already won her heart completely on their HK date on episode 6,which according to Ashley in her blog was the start of her honest, truthful love story. JP also said in his Vlog that their HK date was the turning point and the episode that he will never forget.

And regarding Ashley holding on to JP's leg for dear life while he's painting, (of course TPTB didn't show it, they wanted us to think JP and Ashley didn't flirt on that date). I guess they did get their 'flirting time' in on that date, even before the hot beach in the rain that night. :Nod: It's been said that TPTB select and buy the gifts anyway, no big deal to me. JMO

Here are some SCs as proof how strong JP and ASh feel about each other up until HK.

Well imo, this just supports JP having a physical edit.

True, and that doesn't necessarily mean the F1 edit............actually it is quite typical of a F2 edit along with the jealousy card........definatley more like a F2 edit when you combine all.

beader wrote:

Gina wrote:

beader wrote:

Gina wrote:Beader, I hear ya. Did anyone see Ashley with a package that looked like food or any bags, getting into the car to leave, when JP leaned all the way in and kissed her?
If not, who and when did the leftovers get to her hotel? hmmmm I'd love to know that answer.

Good question? I hope she didn't just forget them like I usually do my "doggie" bags! We know Ash loves her food and can afford to eat up.

Oh, it would be convenient for her to forget them and Mama R take them to her to continue their chat in privacy, in the event TPTB whisked JP back to his hotel. Wonder where his hotel was compared to where Ashley's hotel was in NYC? Did JP have to don his Spidey costume and swing from skyscraper to skyscraper carrying food. Inquiring minds want to know.

So I wonder if anyone saw Spidey in NYC on Easter evening...maybe carrying a package of leftovers.

CarrieAlexander wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

clueless wrote:Interesting conversation about JP and Ashley and the degree of intimacy they seem to have.

When I watched one of the latest previews with the scene between Ashley and Ben when she is rubbing the lotion on his chest, Ben asked if that was ok (or something to that effect). That seems odd to me and it seems odd to me because in this point in time if they were intimate or physically/emotionally close I do not think he would have to ask, he would know if it's ok. JMO of course and just a scene I have speculated on. Thoughts?

I mentioned, I think yesterday, that after rewatching that preview it wasn't as "hot" as I first thought. she's sitting back on his thighs and when she kisses him, it's her signature peck and then she very carefully got off of him. She does have to play a part on all these dates, just like all the other leads do, but IMO she's much less convincing than others have been.

When he said that I wondered for a second if he was asking Ashley or if he was subconsciously asking if it's ok with JP that he's being rubbed down by Ash. Go ahead and throw stones, I can handle them just fine..

2observe wrote:

sydney1 wrote:Production may do something to show a slight edge one have over the other, but it is not with the gifts the lead bring to the family.....That would be very tacky!

Thanks. I wasn't able to find Frank's or Kirk's HTD, but I was able to find Roberto's and Chris L.'s HTD. I saw Ali bringing a large gift bag to Roberto's family, but I did not see Ali bring a gift to Chris L. (although I heard her mentioned the wine). So, I would not say just how, during Ali's Show, they showed the difference. But, I do know that with Ashley's Show, it's pretty clear that the viewers saw what Ashley brought Constantine and what she brought Ben. The fact that we didn't see anything for JP and Ames, and the fact that Ames was let go at F4; PLUS, the fact that JP is standing in the F3 position at the F3 Toast, it stands to reason (at least to me) that JP was F3. But remember, it's just my opinion. :D [/quote

And JP may not be the F1 if you are using the line up position from Alis season, but in DeAnna season it was a little different, her F1 was in the same position as JP...I guess it just depends on who you are trying to promote which one you use... :greenman:

Samantharose wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

clueless wrote:Interesting conversation about JP and Ashley and the degree of intimacy they seem to have.

When I watched one of the latest previews with the scene between Ashley and Ben when she is rubbing the lotion on his chest, Ben asked if that was ok (or something to that effect). That seems odd to me and it seems odd to me because in this point in time if they were intimate or physically/emotionally close I do not think he would have to ask, he would know if it's ok. JMO of course and just a scene I have speculated on. Thoughts?

I mentioned, I think yesterday, that after rewatching that preview it wasn't as "hot" as I first thought. she's sitting back on his thighs and when she kisses him, it's her signature peck and then she very carefully got off of him. She does have to play a part on all these dates, just like all the other leads do, but IMO she's much less convincing than others have been.

sydney1 wrote:

2observe wrote:

sydney1 wrote:Production may do something to show a slight edge one have over the other, but it is not with the gifts the lead bring to the family.....That would be very tacky!

Thanks. I wasn't able to find Frank's or Kirk's HTD, but I was able to find Roberto's and Chris L.'s HTD. I saw Ali bringing a large gift bag to Roberto's family, but I did not see Ali bring a gift to Chris L. (although I heard her mentioned the wine). So, I would not say just how, during Ali's Show, they showed the difference. But, I do know that with Ashley's Show, it's pretty clear that the viewers saw what Ashley brought Constantine and what she brought Ben. The fact that we didn't see anything for JP and Ames, and the fact that Ames was let go at F4; PLUS, the fact that JP is standing in the F3 position at the F3 Toast, it stands to reason (at least to me) that JP was F3. But remember, it's just my opinion. :D [/quote

And JP may not be the F1 if you are using the line up position from Alis season, but in DeAnna season it was a little different, her F1 was in the same position as JP...I guess it just depends on who you are trying to promote which one you use... :greenman:

Well, for Jillian's season, Ali's season, Trista's, Ben is in the F1 position...........