Episode 8 - 7/18 Hometown dates - Discussion - Spoilers

2observe wrote:

proudmommy50810 wrote:

realityfan26 wrote:

2observe wrote: Because not many will believe it. I say that the proof is in the pudding. Just look at Jill, Ali' & Ashley's F3 Toasts.

But what about Trista and Deanna?? Going off 2 screencaps isn't enough to suggest a pattern.

And what about Meredith and Jen?

I only used Jill and Ali because they are the most current Bachlorettes. It looks like the same pattern is being used for Ashley as well. The pattern shows Ben as F1, Constantine as F2 (originally) and JP as F3; and, we already know that Ames was F4. This pattern is also consistent with the fact that we were shown Ashley bring gifts to her F1 and F2 guys' families. We saw her bring wine for Constantine family and flowers for Ben's family. This means to me that JP and Ames were F3 and F4. jm

Ali brought a gift to each HTD all four.....

We know this show is highly edited. I doubt she failed to bring gifts to two of the guy's homes based on the order she had planned to pick them in. At this point, she still isn't sure who is F1 and F2. The order changed for both Jillian and DeAnna after the HTDs. Gifts are a courtesy and would have been extended to all families.

sydney1 wrote:

2observe wrote:

proudmommy50810 wrote:

realityfan26 wrote:

2observe wrote: Because not many will believe it. I say that the proof is in the pudding. Just look at Jill, Ali' & Ashley's F3 Toasts.

But what about Trista and Deanna?? Going off 2 screencaps isn't enough to suggest a pattern.

And what about Meredith and Jen?

I only used Jill and Ali because they are the most current Bachlorettes. It looks like the same pattern is being used for Ashley as well. The pattern shows Ben as F1, Constantine as F2 (originally) and JP as F3; and, we already know that Ames was F4. This pattern is also consistent with the fact that we were shown Ashley bring gifts to her F1 and F2 guys' families. We saw her bring wine for Constantine family and flowers for Ben's family. This means to me that JP and Ames were F3 and F4. jm

Ali brought a gift to each HTD all four.....

I'm sure that Ashley brought gifts for all four, but we only saw her bring gifts for her F1 and F2. I recall Ali bring gifts to Roberto and Chris L's families. If we saw Ali brings for all four guys, then the most expensive gifts were the ones for her F1 and F2. So what were the gifts that Ali gave her F3 and F4 families???

Since we really don't know what the gifts were, how would we know the price of the gift??? We only know she brought wine for Chris family because they went to the winery on their date and she asked him if his father would like wine. She brought chocolate for Roberto family and we know this only because she mentioned it in her blog of the hometown date. We saw her go in Kirk mother's house and Frank's parents house with a gift bag....What was in it who knows or how much it cost.

2observe wrote:

sydney1 wrote:

2observe wrote:

proudmommy50810 wrote:

realityfan26 wrote:

2observe wrote: Because not many will believe it. I say that the proof is in the pudding. Just look at Jill, Ali' & Ashley's F3 Toasts.

But what about Trista and Deanna?? Going off 2 screencaps isn't enough to suggest a pattern.

And what about Meredith and Jen?

I only used Jill and Ali because they are the most current Bachlorettes. It looks like the same pattern is being used for Ashley as well. The pattern shows Ben as F1, Constantine as F2 (originally) and JP as F3; and, we already know that Ames was F4. This pattern is also consistent with the fact that we were shown Ashley bring gifts to her F1 and F2 guys' families. We saw her bring wine for Constantine family and flowers for Ben's family. This means to me that JP and Ames were F3 and F4. jm

Ali brought a gift to each HTD all four.....

I'm sure that Ashley brought gifts for all four, but we only saw her bring gifts for her F1 and F2. I recall Ali bring gifts to Roberto and Chris L's families. If we saw Ali brings for all four guys, then the most expensive gifts were the ones for her F1 and F2. So what were the gifts that Ali gave her F3 and F4 families???

Really? You think she gave crapppier gifts to her F3 and 4 families? It's not like she's paying for them anyway, production is.

We also saw Ashley leave Ben and JP's, and not Constantine and Ames HTD's. Which is different than the way it has been in the past, where we didn't see the primary leave the F1's HTD.

I think at some point in this series, Fleiss is going to show the in your face love story, because he knows a lot of viewers probably won't buy it anyway, since they are so used to having the rug pulled out from under them in the end. I think this may just be that season he has chosen to do that. IMO, of course.

sydney1 wrote:Since we really don't know what the gifts were, how would we know the price of the gift??? We only know she brought wine for Chris family because they went to the winery on their date and she asked him if his father would like wine. She brought chocolate for Roberto family and we know this only because she mentioned it in her blog of the hometown date. We saw her go in Kirk mother's house and Frank's parents house with a gift bag....What was in it who knows or how much it cost.

But we the viewers saw Ali bring the wine and the chocolate, but we did not see what Ali brought (just the bags) for F3 and F4. This is my point exactly.

Bronwyn wrote:We also saw Ashley leave Ben and JP's, and not Constantine and Ames HTD's. Which is different than the way it has been in the past, where we didn't see the primary leave the F1's HTD.

I think at some point in this series, Fleiss is going to show the in your face love story, because he knows a lot of viewers probably won't buy it anyway, since they are so used to having the rug pulled out from under them in the end. I think this may just be that season he has chosen to do that. IMO, of course.

I agree with your opinion, Bronwyn!! :awesome:

Bronwyn wrote:We also saw Ashley leave Ben and JP's, and not Constantine and Ames HTD's. Which is different than the way it has been in the past, where we didn't see the primary leave the F1's HTD.

I think at some point in this series, Fleiss is going to show the in your face love story, because he knows a lot of viewers probably won't buy it anyway, since they are so used to having the rug pulled out from under them in the end. I think this may just be that season he has chosen to do that. IMO, of course.

IMO, the lovestory has been progressing all along with Ashley and Ben. Remember, Ben was the sceptic (sp?)one in all this, and I've noticed that Ashley is pursuing Ben, not Ben pursuing Ashley. With JP, it clear to me that JP is the one pursing Ashley. He's the one that complained about not getting dates. jmo

I think JP and Ashley are pursuing each other.

2observe wrote:

sydney1 wrote:Since we really don't know what the gifts were, how would we know the price of the gift??? We only know she brought wine for Chris family because they went to the winery on their date and she asked him if his father would like wine. She brought chocolate for Roberto family and we know this only because she mentioned it in her blog of the hometown date. We saw her go in Kirk mother's house and Frank's parents house with a gift bag....What was in it who knows or how much it cost.

But we the viewers saw Ali bring the wine and the chocolate, but we did not see what Ali brought (just the bags) for F3 and F4. This is my point exactly.

No, we really did not see the gifts, we saw the wine on the table and because they made a reference to it we knew it was the gift. As for the chocolate we did not see it, nor did we see the gift Robertos' mother gave Ali. All of this was brought out in Ali's blog.

Bronwyn wrote:I think JP and Ashley are pursuing each other.

I think Intially it was JP pursuing Ashley. Now I think its mutual. They can't keep their hands or lips off each other! LOL He better not end up being one of those guys that just enjoys the chase and then looses interest.