Episode 8 - 7/18 Hometown dates - Discussion - Spoilers

reason wrote:No turn JP is standing at final 2 position. The way Ashley is standing Ben is standing in the final 1 positon JP not so. If ashley is to turn like Trista JP is on her left final 2 position. The photo on our computer while we are sitting and looking on it, is Ben on her left my left and JP on her right which is final 2 position.

We'll have to agree to disagree. i am looking at it from the B'ette eyes. When she is toasting she looks:

Trista - right is Ryan
DeAnna - center is Jesse
Jillian - left is Ed
Ali - left is Roberto

GrahamGal wrote:

reason wrote:No turn JP is standing at final 2 position. The way Ashley is standing Ben is standing in the final 1 positon JP not so. If ashley is to turn like Trista JP is on her left final 2 position. The photo on our computer while we are sitting and looking on it, is Ben on her left my left and JP on her right which is final 2 position.

We'll have to agree to disagree. i am looking at it from the B'ette eyes. When she is toasting she looks:

Trista - right is Ryan
DeAnna - center is Jesse
Jillian - left is Ed
Ali - left is Roberto

I understand your point of view, all I am saying turn it around for them to stand facing the camera like Trista in stead of their backs to the camera you will get what I mean. They are all standing on the right only Jesse is different.


Okay here is it another way, put Ali in between Roberto and Chris L then turn all of them looking forward Roberto would be on her right, chris on her left final 1 on the right, final 2 on the left

reason wrote:If Jillian, Ali and Ashley stands with one person on their right like how Trista is standing then you will see that all final 1 stands on her right our left in front of the computer and the final 2 guy will stand on the left of the lead our right on the computer. Complicate yikes. Deanna is the only one who did not follow that patter because Graham left.

I need to correct my Bingo! response lol. I just noticed that you are saying that the F2 is on the Lead's right. That's incorrect. The guy that is standing on Ashley's and Ali's right is the F3 guy, not F2. The F2 guy is facing the Lead (Ali & Ashley).
This means that JP was originally (before Constantine leaves) F3. In Ashley's Toast, you'll see that Constantine stands where Chris L. is standing as F2 for Ali. But since we know that Constantine is leaving, that moved JP from F3 to F2. jmo ETA It may make it easier for you to see that JP was originally F3, by looking at where Reid is standing to Jill and where Frank is standing to Ali. You'll see that they both are standing in the same position as JP is to Ashley.

reason wrote:

GrahamGal wrote:

reason wrote:No turn JP is standing at final 2 position. The way Ashley is standing Ben is standing in the final 1 positon JP not so. If ashley is to turn like Trista JP is on her left final 2 position. The photo on our computer while we are sitting and looking on it, is Ben on her left my left and JP on her right which is final 2 position.

We'll have to agree to disagree. i am looking at it from the B'ette eyes. When she is toasting she looks:

Trista - right is Ryan
DeAnna - center is Jesse
Jillian - left is Ed
Ali - left is Roberto

I understand your point of view, all I am saying turn it around for them to stand facing the camera like Trista in stead of their backs to the camera you will get what I mean. They are all standing on the right only Jesse is different.

Like I said we will have to agree to disagree on this. They are standing how they are standing. It just the camera that is different with Trista. If you move the camera angle around to give you the same view of the B'ette Ryan and JP are standing in the same position.

My point is not who F1 is, but rather it is not consistent. So a pattern is not there. You can't just use the last 2 seasons when looking for patterns. imo

So do we really think that the producers, knowing at this point who the lead is going to pick, set the guys up in a specific order every season so that the sleuthers, right before the last 2 episodes, have the definitive clue to the ending? If they are going to give it away at this point every season, why do they work so hard to make sure the cat doesn't get out of the bag earlier? Or is this just a cool game they play with us, so that we'll know, while taking pains to throw everyone else off the track? Awesome.

Sitting in front of the computer the photo is showing JP is on my rght ashley back is turn to me, constantine is in front of her ben is on her left, and my left. So turn her around where all their faces are facing us, JP would be on her left our right and ben would be on her right our left

reason wrote:Sitting in front of the computer the photo is showing JP is on my rght ashley back is turn to me, constantine is in front of her ben is on her left, and my left. So turn her around where all their faces are facing us, JP would be on her left our right and ben would be on her right our left

but, she isn't turned around. That's the point. If we can shuffle them around in our heads, then what is the point of using the screencaps?

I see no pattern here, looking at all the seasons. I just don't think we can go from this.

ETA: oh, I think I see what you are saying now, turn Ashley and everyone around, like look at them from behind Constantine. But still, JP is on her right, just as Ryan is on Trista's right. So, still no pattern throughout the years.

I am just explaining the photos you dont have to go by this, but in the past that was the pattern. Sorry you all are not getting it.

JBanana wrote:

reason wrote:Sitting in front of the computer the photo is showing JP is on my rght ashley back is turn to me, constantine is in front of her ben is on her left, and my left. So turn her around where all their faces are facing us, JP would be on her left our right and ben would be on her right our left

but, she isn't turned around. That's the point. If we can shuffle them around in our heads, then what is the point of using the screencaps?

I see no pattern here, looking at all the seasons. I just don't think we can go from this.

ETA: oh, I think I see what you are saying now, turn Ashley and everyone around, like look at them from behind Constantine. But still, JP is on her right, just as Ryan is on Trista's right. So, still no pattern throughout the years.

I suggest that you look at the last two Bachelorettes' toast (Jill/Ali) and compare them to Ashley's toast. You will see that Ben is F1 and Constantine was originally F2 and JP was originally F3. jmo

I get what you're saying 2observe. In Ali's & Jillian's seasons they were facing the guys and their f1 guy was on the left, f2 in the middle, and f3 on the right. If you apply this pattern to Ashley it would mean Ben is f1, Constantine f2, and JP f3. Did Constantine leaving change that?

Did I get it right? Interesting idea.

If JP went from F3 to F1, that must have been one HECK of a FD! :what:

2observe wrote:

JBanana wrote:

reason wrote:Sitting in front of the computer the photo is showing JP is on my rght ashley back is turn to me, constantine is in front of her ben is on her left, and my left. So turn her around where all their faces are facing us, JP would be on her left our right and ben would be on her right our left

but, she isn't turned around. That's the point. If we can shuffle them around in our heads, then what is the point of using the screencaps?

I see no pattern here, looking at all the seasons. I just don't think we can go from this.

ETA: oh, I think I see what you are saying now, turn Ashley and everyone around, like look at them from behind Constantine. But still, JP is on her right, just as Ryan is on Trista's right. So, still no pattern throughout the years.

I suggest that you look at the last two Bachelorettes' toast (Jill/Ali) and compare them to Ashley's toast. You will see that Ben is F1 and Constantine was originally F2 and JP was originally F3. jmo

yes, I have eyes, and I did see that. I also see pictures of Trista and Deanna's seasons where that doesn't hold true. So how can it be a pattern if you discount 2 out of the 4 previous seasons being shown here? That's 50/50 odds, not a pattern. If you want to say that only Jill and Ali's season's matter, then fine. (though I will disagree with you). But you can't make me believe there's a pattern there when there isn't one.