Episode 8 - 7/18 Hometown dates - Discussion - Spoilers

anders wrote:something always manages to squeak through. Someone knows someone who knows someone who's cousin's girlfriend's sister posts on this board.... :missclap:

anders wrote:something always manages to squeak through. Someone knows someone who knows someone who's cousin's girlfriend's sister posts on this board.... :missclap:

cfck2222 wrote:

emusha wrote:I guess my point is -- looking back we may all look at it and it all looks like clouds and "rainbows" (pun intended for those who remember ) but while the season was going on - Roberto was not liked by many people and his character was put into question repeatedly (or completely hidden/vapid)

As for Ali - her edit wasn't pristine either -- her and frank's debacle put a huge doubt that she is not able to open up at all...especially after her breakdown.... and by making CL so appealing she was being pitted against him for not going for him/choosing him and being thrown under a bus for choosing the vapid superficial jock who's a player and doesn't even have a family background that would allow the lady to have her own dreams and not be at his beck and call... and we see how drastically differently THAT all turned out!

sjcaligurl wrote:Well, the key thing we've seen with the on camera relationship between JP and Ashley is their willingness to communicate with each other. Neither of them are really holding back (except for JP being too scared to say ILY). Had JP handled the Bentley news the way Blake and Mickey did, we'd be watching a different show. Had Ashley taken the 'you don't own me' attitude when JP confessed that he was having a hard time dealing with her dating the other guys, he would have been sent home instead of being given a rose on the date. So, there is an empathy there and a desire to work things out. Assuming they are together, the way they've subtly defended each other in the vlogs and blogs shows that they are still able to work things out with a united front. They have as good a chance of lasting as any other couple IRL and they've already faced some things and come through them during the show instead of after. Look at Brad and Emily. Among things they won't admit to, we are supposed to believe that the press played a big part in their demise when you know going in that the press is an ever present beast. They were in turmoil almost immediately after the show and by the ATFR, Brad wasn't even sure they were still engaged.

emusha and sjcaligurl, I'd have quoted both your whole posts but just stuck to these parts. When I was writing my post I think I talked myself into agreeing you despite my original feeling about the role of the edit

I find myself in a really weird place about this season in that I see something healthy between Ashley and JP. How did THAT happen on THIS show and when have they EVER showed us something like that? I think what they've showed us goes beyond the original idea I had about the role of the edit because it's not just flaws or obstacles that are left hanging there. They're actually being presented as part of a progressing story but I feel like the editors have never given us that kind of storyline so it's strange!

ITA with emusha that we only ever saw Aliberto cooing over how cute the other person was, their conversations were totally vapid and gave us no idea of how they'd forged a deeper emotional connection. I don't think you can say that about this season because like sjcaligurl says Ashley and JP have been shown dealing with things they'd have to deal with after the show anyway if he's F1. I also agree not even the Aliberto season got a pristine edit and that if Aliberto hadn't lasted we'd be pointing to things like the Frank situation and Ali's insecurities as hints of what was to come.

The show is still the show, odds are not favorable, and IA that the most you can say is that if JP is Ashley's F1 then these 2 have as good a chance of making it in RL as any other couple. We'll be able to point to things in hindsight depending on how things go. All I'm trying to say is I don't agree with the doom projections based on the edit because I don't think this season fits their idea of a doom edit.

Alanna wrote:
Please add me into this lovefest. LOL!

I think Jash's edit is way better than Aliberto's. All they did was kiss and cuddle and Ali freaked out that she wasn't good enough. I had no idea they were even in love until MTP when it was so obvious and I jumped on board their love train. OTOH, this season is all Jash versus The Elements. It's Jash vs the coin flip, Jash vs Bentley, Jash vs the other men in Taiwain, Jash vs both of their insecurities, and it even seems we're getting Jash vs Kat Von D from he11 in the finale. Even now, in their media appearances, it's Jash vs the edit of Ashley about Bentley and Jash vs the media. I have no idea how this is a bad edit and I'm not even going to try and figure it out. Seriously. It's the best edit a couple has ever gotten IMO, which is why it's so obvious.

Diana wrote:I think the biggest clue is the fact Ashley told Mama Rosenbaum the stuff she did, if she was so sure at that point, I don't think she would of said that stuff, if it wasn't JP that she was so sure about.