Episode 8 - 7/18 Hometown dates - Discussion - Spoilers

Kelad9 wrote:

anders wrote:

bilolo wrote:

anders wrote:

reason wrote:I believe all the drama in real life is playing out on the show and I think there might be TROUBLE in paradise right about now.

Sadly, I agree. Last night we heard everyone, Ames, Connie, JP, Ben and Ash herself say that's it's important that their family approve of the sig other. And then the preview that the sis may not approve of her F1 choice?? And then the FRC VO that sounded like, I fell in love with this guy and no matter what anyone else thinks, I'm choosing him. (I know this isnt' what she said, it's the way it sounded to me).

so Anders, if it turns out that the family gives there blessing, you'll not think that there's trouble in paradise ?

I think it's important to look at the season's edit as a whole, and consider all the information they have given us. I'm not saying that the blessing or non-blessing has anything to do with the outcome, only that it's another piece in the puzzles of JPs edit that has included jealousy, impatience, competitiveness, and now a mom who doesn't want to see her son get his heart broken again, and a possible reluctance to propose. If all was puppies and rainbows in this relationship why are they continuing to focus on the negative with JP and not put all that BS behind at this point?? I just can't get over how they're throwing Ash and JP under the bus and continue to run them over.

and I leave open the possibility that sis is talking about her F2 guy and not her F1.

if we are to consider edit- then I think edit is setting it (the finale) up to be slow and steady vs Quick and fast . we know Quick and Fast will refer to JP but I got the impression last night that Constantine will be the slow and steady instead of Ben F. also going back in edits, it's always been kind of Constantine vs JP if you think about it since Hong Kong. Most of the outtakes recently have been about Constantine.. Oh well. I can't figure this out yet. LOL

You are not the only one who sees this. With the different comments made, then going back and listening to some things I missed the first time. I finally stated yesterday, that I thought Constantine was more significant than he is given credit for. He even tweeted Jesse C. something about being a stealth bomber, flying under the radar. AND I know, it is a crazy idea......but I'm just calling what my crazy mind sees. I won't be upset with whoever she chooses.

happyntexas wrote:

Kelad9 wrote:

anders wrote:

bilolo wrote:

anders wrote:

reason wrote:I believe all the drama in real life is playing out on the show and I think there might be TROUBLE in paradise right about now.

Sadly, I agree. Last night we heard everyone, Ames, Connie, JP, Ben and Ash herself say that's it's important that their family approve of the sig other. And then the preview that the sis may not approve of her F1 choice?? And then the FRC VO that sounded like, I fell in love with this guy and no matter what anyone else thinks, I'm choosing him. (I know this isnt' what she said, it's the way it sounded to me).

so Anders, if it turns out that the family gives there blessing, you'll not think that there's trouble in paradise ?

I think it's important to look at the season's edit as a whole, and consider all the information they have given us. I'm not saying that the blessing or non-blessing has anything to do with the outcome, only that it's another piece in the puzzles of JPs edit that has included jealousy, impatience, competitiveness, and now a mom who doesn't want to see her son get his heart broken again, and a possible reluctance to propose. If all was puppies and rainbows in this relationship why are they continuing to focus on the negative with JP and not put all that BS behind at this point?? I just can't get over how they're throwing Ash and JP under the bus and continue to run them over.

and I leave open the possibility that sis is talking about her F2 guy and not her F1.

if we are to consider edit- then I think edit is setting it (the finale) up to be slow and steady vs Quick and fast . we know Quick and Fast will refer to JP but I got the impression last night that Constantine will be the slow and steady instead of Ben F. also going back in edits, it's always been kind of Constantine vs JP if you think about it since Hong Kong. Most of the outtakes recently have been about Constantine.. Oh well. I can't figure this out yet. LOL

You are not the only one who sees this. With the different comments made, then going back and listening to some things I missed the first time. I finally stated yesterday, that I thought Constantine was more significant than he is given credit for. He even tweeted Jesse C. something about being a stealth bomber, flying under the radar. AND I know, it is a crazy idea......but I'm just calling what my crazy mind sees. I won't be upset with whoever she chooses.

So do you think this year RS got the F2/F3 wrong? Ashley has said that Constantine is "her type".

bilolo wrote:

gurlbrit wrote:One thing I did notice when Ashley was talking with CH about the HTD's she said she fell in love with JP's family. Her favorite HTD was Constantine's. To me the falling in love with the family and not the guy is a red flag.

really how ?

I don't know it just is, I think I read somewhere about falling in the love with the family and not the man

Okay.....I'll just throw out my thoughts. Because they are crazy anyway. And it won't bother me a bit if someone thinks I'm crazy, because I know I am. Here is what I posted yesterday morning:


I know this will not be a popular opinion. But, I kind of just wanted to throw this out there for someone to see. This would probably never happen, but I couldn't help but notice the Notebook references made by CH and Constantine. The notebook is a book/movie based on a girl's family not liking her choice, they went through some hard times, and then in the long run they ended up having a long life together.

I know that it is said Constantine takes himself out at the FD's. I've noticed that some seem to think there is a discrepancy in the FRC dates. Is it possible that he leaves because he is just not as sure as he thinks he needs to be goes home. In the meantime Ashley has her LCD's and then chooses no-one, which would explain why both guys are on the same side. Then maybe a day later, Constantine comes back after having time to think his decision over. She says she is into him, she just keeps waiting for him to catch up. She also makes sure to give him the first couple of roses at the RC's. He made the comment on his Vlog that we didn't hear all of their conversations, just a little. He felt they really understood each other after the date. (just paraphrasing)

Also, there's Ashley S. tweeting after the show that Constantine was just not into Ashley H. Constantine tweeted back, "Nah, just going at my own pace." (paraphrasing)

Then he also tweeted Jesse C. that he's like a stealth bomber, flying under the radar. (paraphrasing)

Anyway, I know this is the craziest thing ever. And I'm ready to take a lashing. LOLOL But, some things just didn't make sense. I think maybe I was really bored and conspiracy theories just jumped right into my brain. It would definitely be an OMG moment.

Anyway, any thoughts, besides thinking I'm crazy. LOL

gurlbrit wrote:One thing I did notice when Ashley was talking with CH about the HTD's she said she fell in love with JP's family. Her favorite HTD was Constantine's. To me the falling in love with the family and not the guy is a red flag.

I didn't take it as a red flag, I took it more like Constantine was probably supposed to be her F2 and not Ben. Constantine is the one that she goes on about him being her type, way more than she does about Ben. Ben she just seems to mention his hair but with Constantine it's more detailed. Her saying she loved JP's family is a good thing as it means that she could feel herself being part of JP's life, which would include his family. And as for Constantine's date being her favorite... she got to eat all she wanted and dance...of course that was going to be her favorite!

gurlbrit wrote:One thing I did notice when Ashley was talking with CH about the HTD's she said she fell in love with JP's family. Her favorite HTD was Constantine's. To me the falling in love with the family and not the guy is a red flag.

She said she fell in love with Constantine's family too. That seemed important to him. Didn't he mention that she fell in love with family and said something like "and hopefully me too."

happyntexas wrote:Okay.....I'll just throw out my thoughts. Because they are crazy anyway. And it won't bother me a bit if someone thinks I'm crazy, because I know I am. Here is what I posted yesterday morning:


I know this will not be a popular opinion. But, I kind of just wanted to throw this out there for someone to see. This would probably never happen, but I couldn't help but notice the Notebook references made by CH and Constantine. The notebook is a book/movie based on a girl's family not liking her choice, they went through some hard times, and then in the long run they ended up having a long life together.

I know that it is said Constantine takes himself out at the FD's. I've noticed that some seem to think there is a discrepancy in the FRC dates. Is it possible that he leaves because he is just not as sure as he thinks he needs to be goes home. In the meantime Ashley has her LCD's and then chooses no-one, which would explain why both guys are on the same side. Then maybe a day later, Constantine comes back after having time to think his decision over. She says she is into him, she just keeps waiting for him to catch up. She also makes sure to give him the first couple of roses at the RC's. He made the comment on his Vlog that we didn't hear all of their conversations, just a little. He felt they really understood each other after the date. (just paraphrasing)

Also, there's Ashley S. tweeting after the show that Constantine was just not into Ashley H. Constantine tweeted back, "Nah, just going at my own pace." (paraphrasing)

Then he also tweeted Jesse C. that he's like a stealth bomber, flying under the radar. (paraphrasing)

Anyway, I know this is the craziest thing ever. And I'm ready to take a lashing. LOLOL But, some things just didn't make sense. I think maybe I was really bored and conspiracy theories just jumped right into my brain. It would definitely be an OMG moment.

Anyway, any thoughts, besides thinking I'm crazy. LOL

In order for ANY of them to come back, it has to be with the blessing of TPTB. Jeremy came back (after an hour or so); Reid came back after flying (he says) to LAX; Ed came back after clearing up his "business"; Jake came back to help Jilly, ad nauseum.

Bentley and Ryan coming back in Hong Kong and Fiji can only be with the blessing of TPTB, do you think that Constantine comes back at the FRC? This might account for MF's OMG moment.

northernviewer wrote:

gurlbrit wrote:One thing I did notice when Ashley was talking with CH about the HTD's she said she fell in love with JP's family. Her favorite HTD was Constantine's. To me the falling in love with the family and not the guy is a red flag.

I didn't take it as a red flag, I took it more like Constantine was probably supposed to be her F2 and not Ben. Constantine is the one that she goes on about him being her type, way more than she does about Ben. Ben she just seems to mention his hair but with Constantine it's more detailed. Her saying she loved JP's family is a good thing as it means that she could feel herself being part of JP's life, which would include his family. And as for Constantine's date being her favorite... she got to eat all she wanted and dance...of course that was going to be her favorite!

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This whole food thing is so funny. Why are people picking on her because she likes to eat? LOL! She doesn't seem like a junk food/snack person ... There's nothing wrong with enjoying a good meal. She's very active and muscular, she probably is hungry often because she burns it off so quickly.

I have a question that most on this site probably already know the answer to, but is there a signifcance to the order in which the roses are handed out...the ceremony following hometown dates in particular?

gurlbrit wrote:

happyntexas wrote:Okay.....I'll just throw out my thoughts. Because they are crazy anyway. And it won't bother me a bit if someone thinks I'm crazy, because I know I am. Here is what I posted yesterday morning:


I know this will not be a popular opinion. But, I kind of just wanted to throw this out there for someone to see. This would probably never happen, but I couldn't help but notice the Notebook references made by CH and Constantine. The notebook is a book/movie based on a girl's family not liking her choice, they went through some hard times, and then in the long run they ended up having a long life together.

I know that it is said Constantine takes himself out at the FD's. I've noticed that some seem to think there is a discrepancy in the FRC dates. Is it possible that he leaves because he is just not as sure as he thinks he needs to be goes home. In the meantime Ashley has her LCD's and then chooses no-one, which would explain why both guys are on the same side. Then maybe a day later, Constantine comes back after having time to think his decision over. She says she is into him, she just keeps waiting for him to catch up. She also makes sure to give him the first couple of roses at the RC's. He made the comment on his Vlog that we didn't hear all of their conversations, just a little. He felt they really understood each other after the date. (just paraphrasing)

Also, there's Ashley S. tweeting after the show that Constantine was just not into Ashley H. Constantine tweeted back, "Nah, just going at my own pace." (paraphrasing)

Then he also tweeted Jesse C. that he's like a stealth bomber, flying under the radar. (paraphrasing)

Anyway, I know this is the craziest thing ever. And I'm ready to take a lashing. LOLOL But, some things just didn't make sense. I think maybe I was really bored and conspiracy theories just jumped right into my brain. It would definitely be an OMG moment.

Anyway, any thoughts, besides thinking I'm crazy. LOL

In order for ANY of them to come back, it has to be with the blessing of TPTB. Jeremy came back (after an hour or so); Reid came back after flying (he says) to LAX; Ed came back after clearing up his "business"; Jake came back to help Jilly, ad nauseum.

Bentley and Ryan coming back in Hong Kong and Fiji can only be with the blessing of TPTB, do you think that Constantine comes back at the FRC? This might account for MF's OMG moment.

I'd say this would be a very good possibility but that's based on the edit I saw last night. and i don't think RS was wrong. I do think there's something missing that he hasn't been appraised of just yet thou. IE: a darkhorse return that no one knows about except for erm a few people that were there that day. LOL

clueless wrote:I have a question that most on this site probably already know the answer to, but is there a signifcance to the order in which the roses are handed out...the ceremony following hometown dates in particular?

Producer driven for drama. At this point, it doesn't really matter much. Only one group rose ceremony left though I guess Constantine won't be there.

gurlbrit wrote:

happyntexas wrote:Okay.....I'll just throw out my thoughts. Because they are crazy anyway. And it won't bother me a bit if someone thinks I'm crazy, because I know I am. Here is what I posted yesterday morning:


I know this will not be a popular opinion. But, I kind of just wanted to throw this out there for someone to see. This would probably never happen, but I couldn't help but notice the Notebook references made by CH and Constantine. The notebook is a book/movie based on a girl's family not liking her choice, they went through some hard times, and then in the long run they ended up having a long life together.

I know that it is said Constantine takes himself out at the FD's. I've noticed that some seem to think there is a discrepancy in the FRC dates. Is it possible that he leaves because he is just not as sure as he thinks he needs to be goes home. In the meantime Ashley has her LCD's and then chooses no-one, which would explain why both guys are on the same side. Then maybe a day later, Constantine comes back after having time to think his decision over. She says she is into him, she just keeps waiting for him to catch up. She also makes sure to give him the first couple of roses at the RC's. He made the comment on his Vlog that we didn't hear all of their conversations, just a little. He felt they really understood each other after the date. (just paraphrasing)

Also, there's Ashley S. tweeting after the show that Constantine was just not into Ashley H. Constantine tweeted back, "Nah, just going at my own pace." (paraphrasing)

Then he also tweeted Jesse C. that he's like a stealth bomber, flying under the radar. (paraphrasing)

Anyway, I know this is the craziest thing ever. And I'm ready to take a lashing. LOLOL But, some things just didn't make sense. I think maybe I was really bored and conspiracy theories just jumped right into my brain. It would definitely be an OMG moment.

Anyway, any thoughts, besides thinking I'm crazy. LOL

In order for ANY of them to come back, it has to be with the blessing of TPTB. Jeremy came back (after an hour or so); Reid came back after flying (he says) to LAX; Ed came back after clearing up his "business"; Jake came back to help Jilly, ad nauseum.

Bentley and Ryan coming back in Hong Kong and Fiji can only be with the blessing of TPTB, do you think that Constantine comes back at the FRC? This might account for MF's OMG moment.

Once I watched Constantine's Vlog, listened to what he said.....I went back and found the tweets, then I went back and I watched her M&G with Constantine. (it is in the deleted section) I just rewatched key moments. (I think I was really bored)(LOL) Anyway, once I saw both men make the notebook reference. I remembered what the movie was about. And I just started thinking. AFter watching the HTD's last night, I am more convinced of this. Because it is about the girl's familly not approving, etc. etc. I don't honestly know. But, I do know, there was enough clues to give me pause and make me back track information.

I am probably wrong....and I am okay with that. But, if I see Constantine get off that plane. I won't be a bit surprised at all!!

sjcaligurl wrote:

clueless wrote:I have a question that most on this site probably already know the answer to, but is there a signifcance to the order in which the roses are handed out...the ceremony following hometown dates in particular?

Producer driven for drama. At this point, it doesn't really matter much. Only one group rose ceremony left though I guess Constantine won't be there.

Actually bloomers consulted her spreadsheet and noticed that the only 'Ette who didn't give her first rose to her F1 at the HTD RC was Jen - she gave it to JP, Jerry got the second rose. Not that it means 100% that Ben is F1, but there is a pattern there.