Episode 8 - 7/18 Hometown dates - Discussion - Spoilers

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bluwavz wrote:

shoepie wrote:I did not get attached to any outcome this season, which is a first for me.

The formula is is tight and secure. JP is the victor and the previews are rigged to show trouble in paradise. pffffffffffft. Ben's hometown date had the vibe of a wake!

Constantine emerged as my favorite man last night and my hope for the next Bachelor. However, you would have to marry the entire family and always live in Atlanta. There is no room for an independant life with a possibility to relocate or explore other possibilities. That is not so good. So Ryan it shall be.

My crystal ball shows a proposal and a relationship that will not make the long haul.

I have been bored this season but I am looking forward to Ashley and her sister's thunder! Whoo Hoo, we finally get some action. Very cool.

I believe that Ashley's sister tweeted after tonight's episode and said that it got much worse after Ashley's beyotch comment to her. Whether we actually get to see it is another matter.

Fleiss is not known for avoiding drama, so let's hope we see all of it! I would be a delicious end to a lack luster season.

I want to talk about that horrible pizza for a minute. Fresh tomatoes on top of tomato sauce, Ashley? Really? Deep dish pizza, who eats that anymore?! It was over cooked/burned when served to that "customer," as well. The salad was so uninspired I have no words. My idea of hell would be eating greek salad complete with pepperonchini dripping its hot vinegar liquid into my mouth and Greek pizza one more time in my life. Cooking is my creative hobby and I just hate to see poorly executed food like this. There is no excuse.

Titou wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

Titou wrote:

JBF wrote:Jimmy Kimmel was a howl... He brought up the hometown dates and showed Ben taking Ashley home all worried. Then we saw clips from "The Hoarders" with Constantine's name-by-name role call of his family... all clips of people with loads of junk all over the house! Then her stock shot from the Bentley in Hong Kong... what was it? Shut up!

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Was this discussed yet? I know we shouldn't put too much stock on voice-overs, but this one was MOST interesting...

As Ashley looks at all four photos of the guys before the RC ceremony...

Tonight is going to be so hard
JP photo shown first: If it were up to me,
Moving over to Ames photo: I would take all four guys on more dates but…
Constantine: The truth is I need to start really figuring things out and make some tough decisions…
Ben: Time is running out but…
She touches JP’s photo: I’m in such a great place right now.
All photos but a slow pan out with JP’s strategically in the middle: I’m ready. I’m ready to find my husband…

thank you

I re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re watched the teaser and something happened for sure with JP

1. she asks him if he is ready to propose knowing what he knows about her now and his response is : no. not right now

2. she leaves their FD room quickly. She is already 3 steps away when he seems to come up. Then there is a flower petale that is falling from her dress. then black moment and then we see JP with his hand falling down and fixing ahead, unhappy with maybe water in his eyes. Something clearly happened there. It is possible that she tells him about her b****y sister and she is upset, he is upset to do not have the approval of her family and worried that she will reject him... she leaves the room upset..... but in the end it is nothing that dramatic as the end of their story.

3. the voice over is definitely about constantine and we even see his silhouette behind the bushes.

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however we see only good things about Ben. We see lot of kisses and cuddles and a voice over saying each that they are falling in love but of course not sure if ashley's matches who with who.

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another funny note: JP instead of saying Love word uses IT.....

so the downhill of JP is definitely there to see.

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during the conversation at the table JP said that things became REAL between phuket and HK.... what happened between the 2 destination between them???

in the preview when JP and Ash are talking about the proposal, I think there was some splice and dice going and his answer was probably to another question, like would you be ready to get married right away, and he answered "am I ready to do it right now? no." - that really does'nt sound like an answer to her question "do you feel like you're going to know enough about me for us to potentially leave here engaged". Her face didn't look upset so I'm not to worried about how that scene was edited. And the evening part of her date was probably just her getting up to go change into something more comfortable

not sure... JP's face does not look like a man waiting for his lady to come back

but again this can very be the same trick they use like emily and chantal when brad had this last conversation with them... they both look upset too

that whole FD scene with JP was smoke and mirrors (good catch seeing the flower pedal fall off the dress though, confirms rose pedals on JPs FD bed). This whole set up is classic deflection to make the viewer question if she picks JP. Couple that with all the Ben FD caps that coinicide with all the happiness and light and husband VOs - total red herring - I'm 99.9999% sure that JP is her F1

now - who doesn't Ash's sister approve of?

sweptaway wrote:Hometown destinations sure have come a long way since Greg's pull down bed in his closet apartment during Jen's season. They had a commerical for new show called Pan Am. I kept waiting to see Jakes Cheesey face.

Greg?? Jen's F4 were JP, Jerry, Ryan and Wendell

Greg was Trista's season, I believe.

northernviewer wrote:

Titou wrote:

JBF wrote:Jimmy Kimmel was a howl... He brought up the hometown dates and showed Ben taking Ashley home all worried. Then we saw clips from "The Hoarders" with Constantine's name-by-name role call of his family... all clips of people with loads of junk all over the house! Then her stock shot from the Bentley in Hong Kong... what was it? Shut up!

****

Was this discussed yet? I know we shouldn't put too much stock on voice-overs, but this one was MOST interesting...

As Ashley looks at all four photos of the guys before the RC ceremony...

Tonight is going to be so hard
JP photo shown first: If it were up to me,
Moving over to Ames photo: I would take all four guys on more dates but…
Constantine: The truth is I need to start really figuring things out and make some tough decisions…
Ben: Time is running out but…
She touches JP’s photo: I’m in such a great place right now.
All photos but a slow pan out with JP’s strategically in the middle: I’m ready. I’m ready to find my husband…

thank you

I re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re watched the teaser and something happened for sure with JP

1. she asks him if he is ready to propose knowing what he knows about her now and his response is : no. not right now

2. she leaves their FD room quickly. She is already 3 steps away when he seems to come up. Then there is a flower petale that is falling from her dress. then black moment and then we see JP with his hand falling down and fixing ahead, unhappy with maybe water in his eyes. Something clearly happened there. It is possible that she tells him about her b****y sister and she is upset, he is upset to do not have the approval of her family and worried that she will reject him... she leaves the room upset..... but in the end it is nothing that dramatic as the end of their story.

3. the voice over is definitely about constantine and we even see his silhouette behind the bushes.

---

however we see only good things about Ben. We see lot of kisses and cuddles and a voice over saying each that they are falling in love but of course not sure if ashley's matches who with who.

---

another funny note: JP instead of saying Love word uses IT.....

so the downhill of JP is definitely there to see.

----

during the conversation at the table JP said that things became REAL between phuket and HK.... what happened between the 2 destination between them???

in the preview when JP and Ash are talking about the proposal, I think there was some splice and dice going and his answer was probably to another question, like would you be ready to get married right away, and he answered "am I ready to do it right now? no." - that really does'nt sound like an answer to her question "do you feel like you're going to know enough about me for us to potentially leave here engaged". Her face didn't look upset so I'm not to worried about how that scene was edited. And the evening part of her date was probably just her getting up to go change into something more comfortable

I think those lines spoken before the rose ceremony spoke SOME about her and mostly more about the guys.

Ames was the "weak link"... "I would take all four guys on more dates BUT…"

The time running out bit probably plays into Ben's story in some way. Guess like Reid, he is slow with the L word or not ready to propose? Then, come finale time, he IS ready and she is surprised?

Constantine is constantly "figuring things out". He even says so. Twice we have heard HIM say "make tough decisions".

"If it were up to me" and "I’m in such a great place right now." both clearly relate to Jordan... she already made her decision (great place... or as Chris Harrison says, "happy place"), but is unsure how her decision will impact others.

2. she leaves their FD room quickly. She is already 3 steps away when he seems to come up. Then there is a flower petale that is falling from her dress. then black moment and then we see JP with his hand falling down and fixing ahead, unhappy with maybe water in his eyes. Something clearly happened there. It is possible that she tells him about her b****y sister and she is upset, he is upset to do not have the approval of her family and worried that she will reject him... she leaves the room upset..... but in the end it is nothing that dramatic as the end of their story.

And the evening part of her date was probably just her getting up to go change into something more comfortable

That looked more like Fantasy Date than Last Chance Date to me too. I think the sister stuff comes later... after they Made The Earth Move.

All of Jordan's problems relate to sister/family approval. No clue why... most here don't think it is a religious "thang"... maybe his personality "type" is like her ex? No problems during the Fantasy Dates... unless he is aloof thinking about Ben's date (swim make-out looked pretty "hot"). No... I couldn't see anything "cold" there, just the usual lop & chop in previews. In the previews for last night, they were suggesting he wasn't in love with her. Instead, he just said he wasn't ready to SAY it... again, the "it" thing. Loved how they blurred his teary face when she pulled out of his home... just as they tried blurring Ashley's face pre-RC in episode #5.

Guess the big questions are:
1.) Does the family problem get resolved BEFORE the final rose ceremony? (WE all know how the preview editors "milk the drama".) Or does it continue on, prompting the cryfest in her FRC dress? The fact that she's in TWO outfits suggest that sister may not approve of both JP and Ben! That may not be the case, but it certainly "feels" it...
2.) Could her crying at FRC be about Ben getting his heart broken? This may be why Jordan said SOMEBODY is going to get his heart broken and WE the casual viewer "assumes" it is HIM. (Also first episode preview: "Fiji would be the perfect ending to my love story. My only fear is getting hurt again.") Yet, his words may relate to Ben instead... In the 1 on 1 dates, Ashley keeps saying "think" and "could" in relation to "falling in love with Ben". He, on the other hand, is point blank in the previews.

"during the conversation at the table JP said that things became REAL between phuket and HK.... what happened between the 2 destination between them???"

Let's see... they were painting the walls pink-lavender and Ashley had NO interest seeing what Drill Master Ryan and his underlings suffering from Ryan-meter Overkill were up to. Oh, when the flirting stopped, she did paint her Ashley Flower somewhere else...

I found it funny when Blake had to trash-talk about Ryan to Jordan and Mickey, since neither of them were anywhere around Ryan at the orphanage. Jordan and Ashley were too busy "fooling around" until somebody in production stopped them and that's where we got the "no time for flirting"... (Yeah, I made that last part up. Or did I?)

Then there was That Umbrella... and her getting wet. Guess he couldn't keep that thing steady.

Honk Kong? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!! :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

my biggest fear is to see Ashley and JP( if he's the final which i'm 98% sure) relationship not going well in real life with all this drama in the preview till the end pfff it sucks

For me I think it is unlikely Ashley's relationship, no matter who, will last. Something is off to me. I do not see any real connection to either of them. And that is not a bad thing.

I think the F2 slot is the sweet spot this season. Look at all who they will meet because of this. If I had a favorite I would want them F2.

KarmaGirl wrote:I think she is head over heels in love with JP and any sadness that happens is her sharing with him the disappointment of the family visit - her sister seems like a big beotch - I mean how would you disapprove of someone so early knowing how Ashley feels? I think the sister is jealous of Ashley's fame and her journey thus far. Ashley is a great girl and I think is very different from her family. Her Dad was an alcoholic and was/is homeless. She is an educated, accomplished girl. I think her family might really devastate her when they come visit - and JP will be there to pick up the pieces.
I didn't see anything that made me think that JP and Ashely aren't going strong. I sure love them as a couple.

ITA with you. I think she'll be devastated that her sister can't be happy for her and what she's found with JP but he'll be there to comfort her and she'll be fine. Whatever, whatever, all the sister is doing is helping Ashley set up a Romeo and Juliet scenario and pushing her further into JP's arms. Also, If her sister cares about Ashley whatsoever, she'll come around and realize that Ashley deserves a man who adores her and makes her as happy as JP does. Their relationship is fine IRL so either the sister got over it and Ashley told her to take a long walk off a short pier when giving her opinions on her love life.

ironcat wrote:Thanks for doing that, Bloomers. If this is indicative of the reaction of the general (unspoiled) viewing public, I'd say mission accomplished for the editors. I think rather than trying anymore to hide/deny the chemistry/connection with JP, and hoping to convince anybody that what she has with Ben comes anywhere close to that, they are now laying the groundwork for everyone to expect a shocking ending, and that she doesn't pick JP because of (take your pick) a supposed "fight" during FDs (that we know is really about Constantine), the family's disapproval of him (I suspect highly exaggerated), and all the foreshadowing that JP is going to get his heart broken again. I believe now we know their end game, and if they keep pushing this angle, the real shock for the average fan will be when she actually does choose JP.

Yep, there's NO way to hide what's going on with JPash so they're taking another route. Other than the sister business, nothing indicates that the previews are right at all. I really cannot see those two lovebirds fighting on the FD nor can I see JP not saying ILY for too long. Everyone knows JP loves Ashley, including JP and Ashley.

I believe all the drama in real life is playing out on the show and I think there might be TROUBLE in paradise right about now.

Boy do I LOVE ME SOME BEN. Damn that boy will be hot next week.

reason wrote:I believe all the drama in real life is playing out on the show and I think there might be TROUBLE in paradise right about now.

Sadly, I agree. Last night we heard everyone, Ames, Connie, JP, Ben and Ash herself say that's it's important that their family approve of the sig other. And then the preview that the sis may not approve of her F1 choice?? And then the FRC VO that sounded like, I fell in love with this guy and no matter what anyone else thinks, I'm choosing him. (I know this isnt' what she said, it's the way it sounded to me).

I haven't watched the preview yet, but can I just say I'm so impressed by all of the HTDs. Ash looked gorgeous, and I'd probably date all of her F4 (except maybe Ames, but I think he is a great guy). I really like Constantine, even though I know it doesn't end well for them, ha. But for Ash I still like JP.