Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

Gina wrote:I'd go out with JP in a heartbeat if I didn't already have a great guy. He handled it all with maturity and calmness. Addressed the issues and got rewarded with passionate kisses and a rose. Ashley has said it showed strength and sincerity :D

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JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Definitely agree again. William said he thinks JP is the one because he could tell by the way they looked at each other that they were in love. They can't be in the same camera shot without some kind of interaction being picked up. They can't show too much alone time of them because they are in each other's personal space. I'm not sure how long she really obsessed over whatever it was with Bentley but it certainly didn't stop her from steaming up the lenses with JP. She may not have been open to all of the guys (and which lead ever is?) but she certainly didn't turn down anything JP had to offer. I don't think we know the half of what went on in Hong Kong but it certainly left him totally defenseless. Talk about "man down!" Gees!

For JP to say that the relationship was taken to a new level in HK, we were not privy to a lot of stuff. Many people are saying that JP being so jealous is juvenile but we have no idea what exactly happened in HK to make him feel so "proprietary" about his relationship with Ashley.

Proprietary is a good word. There was definitely a shift in his eyes and maybe it was just the escalated intimacy or the fact that he'd totally opened up to her or that he admitted to himself that he was in love with her. He must have told her something because when he was telling her about his week, he said "... but when you feel this way about somebody, that changes everything ..." she knew what he was talking about. He must have told her something we aren't privy to? Normally, but not always, the big declarations come on the FD but since he cannot seem to hold much in, he might have told her how he felt already and she may have responded positively w/o really replying back. In his PI he said he was "emotionally attached" which somehow sounds stronger than "emotionally invested." A week is a long time to go without seeing or talking to that person and not getting any kind of reassurance after a night like that. How would that go over in real life? Probably not too well. He's still got to make it through the separations during the HTDs and the FDs and that will be hard because he won't even have anyone to interact with. His mind is going to wander all over the place not knowing if she likes someone else's family better or if someone else steals her heart or if her feelings for him change. He's going to wonder if what happens on his fantasy date happens on other fantasy dates ... It's easy for us to say he needs to suck it up but with him being in the midst of it, I'm sure its much harder than he ever thought.

As far as Ben, I saw them kiss and just wasn't moved. She's all over him but he's still too timid with her IMO. I did wonder what she was standing on to kiss him. That was cute. They are cute and I think he's a catch but I think Ashley is going to need him to be a bit more forceful in his technique without being hard and aggressive (like Ryan's kiss was in my eyes).

JBF, sjcaligurl and philphan-- I agree with this entire conversation. You guys have read my mind!

ETA-- mnm, HILARIOUS-- apple box!!!!!

albean99 wrote:I find it kind of amusing that everything that Ben does or he & Ashley together do reminds someone of a f2 person yet JP's jealousy edit really isn't like any f1's we've ever seen.

If we're talking Ali's season then I'd say JP is most like Frank who was really Ali's chemistry edit guy and the one who probably was the f2 until he took himself out. Certainly not like Roberto who was much more hidden.

Jillian's chemistry guy was Kiptyn who was f2. Ed left and came back so I guess was somewhat hidden for a good part of the season and even missed HTDs. He also had an overnight date and a boat date.

DeAnna's a tough one because her chemistry guy was also the one she wanted as her f1 but he left. That can change the edit so is hard to tell what might have been. If she was able to choose him they may have hidden him more. As it was she did pick the surprise guy although that season was a mess.

IMO it's so hard to say that JP is f1 because ... and Ben is f2 because ... or even vice versa because you just never know for sure what's going to happen, maybe something completely different.

ironcat wrote:

albean99 wrote:I find it kind of amusing that everything that Ben does or he & Ashley together do reminds someone of a f2 person yet JP's jealousy edit really isn't like any f1's we've ever seen.

If we're talking Ali's season then I'd say JP is most like Frank who was really Ali's chemistry edit guy and the one who probably was the f2 until he took himself out. Certainly not like Roberto who was much more hidden.

Jillian's chemistry guy was Kiptyn who was f2. Ed left and came back so I guess was somewhat hidden for a good part of the season and even missed HTDs. He also had an overnight date and a boat date.

DeAnna's a tough one because her chemistry guy was also the one she wanted as her f1 but he left. That can change the edit so is hard to tell what might have been. If she was able to choose him they may have hidden him more. As it was she did pick the surprise guy although that season was a mess.

IMO it's so hard to say that JP is f1 because ... and Ben is f2 because ... or even vice versa because you just never know for sure what's going to happen, maybe something completely different.

ITA with you. I think too much is made of trying to match edits, because every season, events on the ground work out differently. Sometimes the lead falls for the person who has the most on screen charisma/personality, and will become the fan favorite, sometimes they fall for the instigator in the house, sometimes they fall for the quiet one who doesn't make good TV, or the one with the tragic backstory, sometimes they choose the person they have the most physical chemistry with, and sometimes they don't. The producers can't decide how they will edit them all until they see both the end result and what they have to work with, and the bottom line is always to make what they think will be an interesting show with drama wherever they can find it. If it means throwing the lead, the F1, 2, 3, or 4 under the bus to get there, they will do it.

JBF wrote:

LibbyBell wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

philphan wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Definitely agree again. William said he thinks JP is the one because he could tell by the way they looked at each other that they were in love. They can't be in the same camera shot without some kind of interaction being picked up. They can't show too much alone time of them because they are in each other's personal space. I'm not sure how long she really obsessed over whatever it was with Bentley but it certainly didn't stop her from steaming up the lenses with JP. She may not have been open to all of the guys (and which lead ever is?) but she certainly didn't turn down anything JP had to offer. I don't think we know the half of what went on in Hong Kong but it certainly left him totally defenseless. Talk about "man down!" Gees!

For JP to say that the relationship was taken to a new level in HK, we were not privy to a lot of stuff. Many people are saying that JP being so jealous is juvenile but we have no idea what exactly happened in HK to make him feel so "proprietary" about his relationship with Ashley.

Proprietary is a good word. There was definitely a shift in his eyes and maybe it was just the escalated intimacy or the fact that he'd totally opened up to her or that he admitted to himself that he was in love with her. He must have told her something because when he was telling her about his week, he said "... but when you feel this way about somebody, that changes everything ..." she knew what he was talking about. He must have told her something we aren't privy to? Normally, but not always, the big declarations come on the FD but since he cannot seem to hold much in, he might have told her how he felt already and she may have responded positively w/o really replying back. In his PI he said he was "emotionally attached" which somehow sounds stronger than "emotionally invested." A week is a long time to go without seeing or talking to that person and not getting any kind of reassurance after a night like that. How would that go over in real life? Probably not too well. He's still got to make it through the separations during the HTDs and the FDs and that will be hard because he won't even have anyone to interact with. His mind is going to wander all over the place not knowing if she likes someone else's family better or if someone else steals her heart or if her feelings for him change. He's going to wonder if what happens on his fantasy date happens on other fantasy dates ... It's easy for us to say he needs to suck it up but with him being in the midst of it, I'm sure its much harder than he ever thought.

As far as Ben, I saw them kiss and just wasn't moved. She's all over him but he's still too timid with her IMO. I did wonder what she was standing on to kiss him. That was cute. They are cute and I think he's a catch but I think Ashley is going to need him to be a bit more forceful in his technique without being hard and aggressive (like Ryan's kiss was in my eyes).

JBF, sjcaligurl and philphan-- I agree with this entire conversation. You guys have read my mind!

ETA-- mnm, HILARIOUS-- apple box!!!!!

It is good to know that Lucas15 and I are not the only ones who thought Jordan got lucky... and that, as Chris Harrison stated, Ashley reached her "happy place".

northernviewer wrote:it's one thing to get a "hidden" edit and another to be known only as "one of the Groban twins" :afro: :afro:

northernviewer wrote:it's one thing to get a "hidden" edit and another to be known only as "one of the Groban twins" :afro: :afro: