Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

Nativenewyorker wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:They have been making fun of JP since the beginning and they knew that he liked her. They'd all been playing it cool and macho while he'd been wearing his heart on his sleeve. Bottom line is that they are going home one by one and he ... IS NOT! LOL!

Lucas is full of it. He was not happy about JP getting the Tux or about the kissing of the other guys. But he chose to complain about wearing a dress and feeling stupid. Why not complain about not wanting a group date where you kiss other guys which was the real issue. He would have worn a tutu had it just been them alone.

I had to come back here to say something about what Lucas had to say about JP. As far as I am concerned, Lucas is the last person to be judging the behavior of anyone else! Have we forgotten his little hissy fit when Ashley told the guys about Bentley? He showed more than a little temper at that time. What was that comment he made about her - don't waste my f------ time! He was really pissed off. So spare me his phony comments. And his anger was supposedly over a woman who he has admitted now that he wasn't really feeling anything for, certainly nothing like what JP feels for Ashley. At least JP has honest feelings and cares.

Lucas needs to take a good look in the mirror before he goes off on JP.

Coastal wrote: At this time, JP hadn't released the L bomb either..........so your statement of how he loved her more than Ben, how can that be made??

WOW, it is really going to surprise some on here if JP is F2.........

anders wrote:

Coastal wrote: At this time, JP hadn't released the L bomb either..........so your statement of how he loved her more than Ben, how can that be made??

WOW, it is really going to surprise some on here if JP is F2.........

I hope you brought your suit of armour with you - when I posted that sentiment a few weeks ago, I got skewered and bar-b-qued - I'm still putting sauve on the burns.....

anders wrote:

Coastal wrote: At this time, JP hadn't released the L bomb either..........so your statement of how he loved her more than Ben, how can that be made??

WOW, it is really going to surprise some on here if JP is F2.........

I hope you brought your suit of armour with you - when I posted that sentiment a few weeks ago, I got skewered and bar-b-qued - I'm still putting sauve on the burns.....

ironcat wrote:

Coastal wrote:

KarmaGirl wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't have JP on a pedestal. He seems like a regular guy. Any guy who wouldn't get heated seeing me kiss or date other men is probably a pimp and he'd probably be trying to get some money from the guys. LOL!

Lucas looked like he was pretty much seething on that wedding picture date moreso than JP and all he complained about was wearing a dress. He should have told her that he didn't like seeing her kiss JP and Ames too. LOL!

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TOTALLY AGREE!

Not caring that Ashley is locking lips with the other guys means you really don't care that you get sloppy seconds, and really don't care about the girl enough to bother being jealous. Lucas said as much that he didn't care - saying they were really different and a relationship would have been an uphill battle. Rather than be upset that Ashley was kissing other men in front of him, Lucas was upset he had to wear a dress.

JP cares about Ashley. His jealousy was about real feelings of love/passion for Ashley. He didn't whine about Bentley coming back, or whine about the date's attire like Lucas did - he was upset because the woman he feels he is falling in love with was out all night with another man. That left him to wonder, "Was what we had real or not?" He is emotionally invested and is already worrying about losing Ashley. Sounds very normal to me.

I'm loving watching this amazing love story unfold. If Ashley doesn't pick JP - then Ben must really do an end-run, because I wouldn't have seen it coming!

That's the idea, you hardly ever see the F1 coming......they just are there. As far as JP being on the pedestal around here.........that's for sure. When someone mentions something against JP, that poster gets bombarded.

Like I said before, sometimes it seems like this has turned into a JP fansite board........too bad.

And sometimes it seems like this board has turned into a JP hate site, depending on which posts you read, with posters being bombarded and their opinions dismissed as just putting JP on a "pedestal" for considering anything he does in a positive light. There is plenty of speculation about JP's supposed "gloating" (no evidence) and dangerous temper (no evidence) from people who seem to have a grudge against him. (I guess that is the opposite of the pedestal). Same difference, as far as I'm concerned, and neither side is any more entitled to their opinion than the other, nor is their opinion more valid or unbiased. There is bias on both sides, although not everybody will admit to it, is all.

And again, if Ashley had already definitively admitted on camera that she "loved Ben" in such a way that it indicated any deep emotional attachment, the show would be over.

gurlbrit wrote:

anders wrote:

Coastal wrote: At this time, JP hadn't released the L bomb either..........so your statement of how he loved her more than Ben, how can that be made??

WOW, it is really going to surprise some on here if JP is F2.........

I hope you brought your suit of armour with you - when I posted that sentiment a few weeks ago, I got skewered and bar-b-qued - I'm still putting sauve on the burns.....

Nothing about this show surprises me, if JP is F2 so be it. However I will feel the same way about it that I felt about Chantal. It sucked for her to be the spoiled F1 after being dumped at the FRC. It will equally suck for JP if he's not F1.

ironcat wrote:

Coastal wrote:

KarmaGirl wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't have JP on a pedestal. He seems like a regular guy. Any guy who wouldn't get heated seeing me kiss or date other men is probably a pimp and he'd probably be trying to get some money from the guys. LOL!

Lucas looked like he was pretty much seething on that wedding picture date moreso than JP and all he complained about was wearing a dress. He should have told her that he didn't like seeing her kiss JP and Ames too. LOL!

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TOTALLY AGREE!

Not caring that Ashley is locking lips with the other guys means you really don't care that you get sloppy seconds, and really don't care about the girl enough to bother being jealous. Lucas said as much that he didn't care - saying they were really different and a relationship would have been an uphill battle. Rather than be upset that Ashley was kissing other men in front of him, Lucas was upset he had to wear a dress.

JP cares about Ashley. His jealousy was about real feelings of love/passion for Ashley. He didn't whine about Bentley coming back, or whine about the date's attire like Lucas did - he was upset because the woman he feels he is falling in love with was out all night with another man. That left him to wonder, "Was what we had real or not?" He is emotionally invested and is already worrying about losing Ashley. Sounds very normal to me.

I'm loving watching this amazing love story unfold. If Ashley doesn't pick JP - then Ben must really do an end-run, because I wouldn't have seen it coming!

That's the idea, you hardly ever see the F1 coming......they just are there. As far as JP being on the pedestal around here.........that's for sure. When someone mentions something against JP, that poster gets bombarded.

Like I said before, sometimes it seems like this has turned into a JP fansite board........too bad.

And sometimes it seems like this board has turned into a JP hate site, depending on which posts you read, with posters being bombarded and their opinions dismissed as just putting JP on a "pedestal" for considering anything he does in a positive light. There is plenty of speculation about JP's supposed "gloating" (no evidence) and dangerous temper (no evidence) from people who seem to have a grudge against him. (I guess that is the opposite of the pedestal). Same difference, as far as I'm concerned, and neither side is any more entitled to their opinion than the other, nor is their opinion more valid or unbiased. There is bias on both sides, although not everybody will admit to it, is all.

And again, if Ashley had already definitively admitted on camera that she "loved Ben" in such a way that it indicated any deep emotional attachment, the show would be over.