Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

Kelad9 wrote:

cfck2222 wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

cfck2222 wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:Wait! Where is her hand on JP?

It looked to me as if Ashley spent a lot of JP's time talking about his feelings stroking behind the lapel of his coat with one hand and either stroking his arm or leg with her other hand. It seemed like she was really trying to reassure him.

In the cap pattycake92 posted it seems like Ashley's really touched by what Ben F has to say to her but there's a more playful almost flirty look in her eyes with JP. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean but I don't really think that's advantage to either guy? There were other times that she was looking very intently at JP and times she was looking more playfully at Ben F.

cfck2222, you nickname should be "Switzerland". LOL

At the end of the day I think Ashley's got a case of crazies if she doesn't really and truly care about both these guys. This F2 is up there with Ali's as the best F2 ever IMO. I feel like whatever else people might say about Ashley, at the end of the day she did not have a Broken Picker.

I do feel like Ashley's picked her F1 at this point of filming and is behaving accordingly. But I don't think there's any clues yet in the editing that are slam dunk. So though there's definitely lots of confusing clues, I'm disagreeing with a lot of people who think there's a slam dunk clue for or against either guy in this episode. I don't think they give us slam dunk clues, at least not ones that are obvious before the FRC/ATFR.

Regarding bolding- I also agree. I think she's pretty much has picked her F1 and is just ready for the show to be over. I'm sure if she could have, she'd have sent everyone except F1 home last night IMO. Because I don't think she's cut out to lead guys on ( might be why we see her say she thinks she's not cut out for this-- IE: meaning leading them on when she already knows who she wants).

IA agree she had her elimination plan at this point! Makes me wonder if Connie's withdrawal screwed it up somewhat? Ames and Connie would be easier eliminations for her.

I think she and Constantine will have a great time on their Fantasy Date but when it comes time for the fantasy date, one of both of them may not be feeling it enough to spend the night together. They seem like they make good buds. I'm just not sensing he was really ready to find even a steady girlfriend when he went on the show - let alone a wife. It's not a bad thing but he knows what she is looking for and that there are guys there who are far more interested and ready. So, maybe he/they will decide for him to leave that night. No biggie. Her important choice is between Ben and JP. This just makes it easier. I didn't even realize they hadn't even kissed until their second date. That means Ames got a kiss before he did? LOL!

Reidiscool wrote:

Kelad9 wrote:

cfck2222 wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

cfck2222 wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:Wait! Where is her hand on JP?

It looked to me as if Ashley spent a lot of JP's time talking about his feelings stroking behind the lapel of his coat with one hand and either stroking his arm or leg with her other hand. It seemed like she was really trying to reassure him.

In the cap pattycake92 posted it seems like Ashley's really touched by what Ben F has to say to her but there's a more playful almost flirty look in her eyes with JP. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean but I don't really think that's advantage to either guy? There were other times that she was looking very intently at JP and times she was looking more playfully at Ben F.

cfck2222, you nickname should be "Switzerland". LOL

At the end of the day I think Ashley's got a case of crazies if she doesn't really and truly care about both these guys. This F2 is up there with Ali's as the best F2 ever IMO. I feel like whatever else people might say about Ashley, at the end of the day she did not have a Broken Picker.

I do feel like Ashley's picked her F1 at this point of filming and is behaving accordingly. But I don't think there's any clues yet in the editing that are slam dunk. So though there's definitely lots of confusing clues, I'm disagreeing with a lot of people who think there's a slam dunk clue for or against either guy in this episode. I don't think they give us slam dunk clues, at least not ones that are obvious before the FRC/ATFR.

Regarding bolding- I also agree. I think she's pretty much has picked her F1 and is just ready for the show to be over. I'm sure if she could have, she'd have sent everyone except F1 home last night IMO. Because I don't think she's cut out to lead guys on ( might be why we see her say she thinks she's not cut out for this-- IE: meaning leading them on when she already knows who she wants).

IA agree she had her elimination plan at this point! Makes me wonder if Connie's withdrawal screwed it up somewhat? Ames and Connie would be easier eliminations for her.

Looks like we are all thinking along the same lines... as if Dino was being set up for final 2 as the one who would be easy to dump. "Yeah... whatever. That's cool. I completely agree with you." We can only imagine how they would have edited Dino had he actually went through with it to the very end. We certainly would NOT be blessed with the doggie scene ruining their "love".

As cfck2222 says, the editors are TRYING to narrow the gap between the final 2... sometimes in a heavy-handed way. Even including lines like "I felt protected. I felt like he was the man and I love that." that resemble past ones we have heard before. This makes me wonder if PRODUCTION told Dino to leave, since his "heat" wasn't as great with her as his bro-buddy's. Speaking of heat, they sure need a lot flames in Benny's scenes to emphasize it... either folks carrying torches or there's some fire in front of them. Guess her use of the word "passion" needed a little boost to make "puppydog giddy" more "horndog". There's often more "production" and more actors from Central Casting on his dates than anybody else's.

Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

I'm one of those too. It's a clear explanation for the season's edit IMO. First distraction and now doubt.

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Definitely agree again. William said he thinks JP is the one because he could tell by the way they looked at each other that they were in love. They can't be in the same camera shot without some kind of interaction being picked up. They can't show too much alone time of them because they are in each other's personal space. I'm not sure how long she really obsessed over whatever it was with Bentley but it certainly didn't stop her from steaming up the lenses with JP. She may not have been open to all of the guys (and which lead ever is?) but she certainly didn't turn down anything JP had to offer. I don't think we know the half of what went on in Hong Kong but it certainly left him totally defenseless. Talk about "man down!" Gees!

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Not goofy at all...I'm thinking the same thing. Bentleygate was blown to ridiculous proportions for a reason. The post production team had to work overtime this season that's for sure.

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Totally agree too. They had to do the smokescreen to try and hide the real flames between her and her F1..and they resorted to overkill and it really hasn't worked out too well for TPTB.

sjcaligurl wrote:

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Definitely agree again. William said he thinks JP is the one because he could tell by the way they looked at each other that they were in love. They can't be in the same camera shot without some kind of interaction being picked up. They can't show too much alone time of them because they are in each other's personal space. I'm not sure how long she really obsessed over whatever it was with Bentley but it certainly didn't stop her from steaming up the lenses with JP. She may not have been open to all of the guys (and which lead ever is?) but she certainly didn't turn down anything JP had to offer. I don't think we know the half of what went on in Hong Kong but it certainly left him totally defenseless. Talk about "man down!" Gees!

For JP to say that the relationship was taken to a new level in HK, we were not privy to a lot of stuff. Many people are saying that JP being so jealous is juvenile but we have no idea what exactly happened in HK to make him feel so "proprietary" about his relationship with Ashley.

philphan wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Definitely agree again. William said he thinks JP is the one because he could tell by the way they looked at each other that they were in love. They can't be in the same camera shot without some kind of interaction being picked up. They can't show too much alone time of them because they are in each other's personal space. I'm not sure how long she really obsessed over whatever it was with Bentley but it certainly didn't stop her from steaming up the lenses with JP. She may not have been open to all of the guys (and which lead ever is?) but she certainly didn't turn down anything JP had to offer. I don't think we know the half of what went on in Hong Kong but it certainly left him totally defenseless. Talk about "man down!" Gees!

For JP to say that the relationship was taken to a new level in HK, we were not privy to a lot of stuff. Many people are saying that JP being so jealous is juvenile but we have no idea what exactly happened in HK to make him feel so "proprietary" about his relationship with Ashley.

I'm quite curious to know, especially since Ashley called it "wild."

mnmhughes wrote:

philphan wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Definitely agree again. William said he thinks JP is the one because he could tell by the way they looked at each other that they were in love. They can't be in the same camera shot without some kind of interaction being picked up. They can't show too much alone time of them because they are in each other's personal space. I'm not sure how long she really obsessed over whatever it was with Bentley but it certainly didn't stop her from steaming up the lenses with JP. She may not have been open to all of the guys (and which lead ever is?) but she certainly didn't turn down anything JP had to offer. I don't think we know the half of what went on in Hong Kong but it certainly left him totally defenseless. Talk about "man down!" Gees!

For JP to say that the relationship was taken to a new level in HK, we were not privy to a lot of stuff. Many people are saying that JP being so jealous is juvenile but we have no idea what exactly happened in HK to make him feel so "proprietary" about his relationship with Ashley.

I'm quite curious to know, especially since Ashley called it "wild."

Wonder how much was left on the editing room floor (cause it was too hot to show) of the tram and how long that sensual body contact actually lasted, and where did they go after it cut from the rooftop passionate kissing? There's a reason JP feels they are on another level, he's not stupid.

Gina wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

philphan wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Definitely agree again. William said he thinks JP is the one because he could tell by the way they looked at each other that they were in love. They can't be in the same camera shot without some kind of interaction being picked up. They can't show too much alone time of them because they are in each other's personal space. I'm not sure how long she really obsessed over whatever it was with Bentley but it certainly didn't stop her from steaming up the lenses with JP. She may not have been open to all of the guys (and which lead ever is?) but she certainly didn't turn down anything JP had to offer. I don't think we know the half of what went on in Hong Kong but it certainly left him totally defenseless. Talk about "man down!" Gees!

For JP to say that the relationship was taken to a new level in HK, we were not privy to a lot of stuff. Many people are saying that JP being so jealous is juvenile but we have no idea what exactly happened in HK to make him feel so "proprietary" about his relationship with Ashley.

Wonder how much was left on the editing room floor of the tram and how long that sensual body contact actually lasted, and where did they go after it cut from the rooftop passionate kissing? There's a reason JP feels they are on another level, he's not stupid.

I'm quite curious to know, especially since Ashley called it "wild."

I wonder if JP had an overnight date too, but they just didn't let the viewers know about it. :Nod: