Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

Coastal wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:Maybe some of the guys could see that they were fighting a losing battle because of the obvious connection with JP. So they didn't feel wanted themselves. We've had how many guys cry already? I don't buy that the majority weren't interested.

We know that Ben is extremely interested. I really don;t think that Ben feels he is fighting a loosing battle........he is in love with her, he admitted that to himself and us the audience, but is hesitant to tell her that....He wanted to see what his mom and sister thought. I am thinking Ben's edit is definately mimicking Emily's, alsoJP's jealousy edit, his over the top edit is the physical edit, just like Kip. Ashley's season is mimicking Jill's on a few levels, maybe we really need to look at the similiarities. With hers, the F2 got the physical edit.......

Ben has already stated that he is in love with her, but didn't want to tell her yet. JP hasn't exactly told her yet either. When she asks how he feels, he just gives her that look and says "You know." I think both guys have strong feelings for her. I think JP is obsessed in a way.

But, I don't think the show is over right now. I think when the final rose is handed out is when it will be over. I think both guys still have a chance to show her how they feel before the FRC.

sjcaligurl wrote:

Coastal wrote:

Diana wrote:

Kelad9 wrote:I see Ben being quiet and not even saying anything if he's F2 whereas if JP is F2, JP will definately blow. JMO. & who would blame him?

I agree. I think if Ben walks way it's beacuse he just was heartbroken and hurt. I don't see him getting angry at Ashley.

I agree too............Ben, if he is F2, will take it as a man and walk away as a lot of other good f2's have done(Kip, Jason, and others)................JP on the other hand will really blow. He has already shown how he can act childish so if he is F2, chances are, he'll reinact the attitude and even blow up at Ashley.

We shall see. Still waters run deep and I think there is a side of Ben that we aren't seeing. I see the opposite happening if either one of them is F2. I think Ben's attitude would be 'how could you do this to me after you know what I've been through?' and Lord knows what else. Honestly, I cannot fathom JPs reaction. I think he would be totally crushed and I don't see how he would be able to do a video with his happy face the way he did last week.

Sorry, but give me a break! It's not Ben's nature to be that way. Again, this season is mimicking Jill's season in ways.........Jill's F2(Kip) was getting the physical edit...........JP is getting the physical edit.......

Also, I thought the JP camp decided that the grey suit guy was JP, well the grey suit guy is also the guy that storms off, so reason states that JP is F2.................just sayin.

I don't get why people are so trapped into these edit 'boxes.' Watch the lead and the contestants. I've gone strictly by vibe for every season and have been right. We know they try to fool us and keep us in suspense so the 'edits' change constantly. Why keep clinging to an alleged formula that seems to change each season?

Ashley says she has to have both the physical and emotional connection. She could barely stand for Ryan to touch her and let him stay around because of his 'paper' credentials. He stayed too long and she feels bad for letting him go. I think she is falling in love with Ben because he is so sweet to her and would take good care of her but from a sexual attraction standpoint, I think there is something missing. I can feel her trying to pull something out of him and I'm just not seeing it flowing. Maybe it will emerge when his mother and sister approve of her (or not) but if he doesn't become F1, I'm calling low libido as the reason! LOL!

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't have JP on a pedestal. He seems like a regular guy. Any guy who wouldn't get heated seeing me kiss or date other men is probably a pimp and he'd probably be trying to get some money from the guys. LOL!

Lucas looked like he was pretty much seething on that wedding picture date moreso than JP and all he complained about was wearing a dress. He should have told her that he didn't like seeing her kiss JP and Ames too. LOL!

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TOTALLY AGREE!

Not caring that Ashley is locking lips with the other guys means you really don't care that you get sloppy seconds, and really don't care about the girl enough to bother being jealous. Lucas said as much that he didn't care - saying they were really different and a relationship would have been an uphill battle. Rather than be upset that Ashley was kissing other men in front of him, Lucas was upset he had to wear a dress.

JP cares about Ashley. His jealousy was about real feelings of love/passion for Ashley. He didn't whine about Bentley coming back, or whine about the date's attire like Lucas did - he was upset because the woman he feels he is falling in love with was out all night with another man. That left him to wonder, "Was what we had real or not?" He is emotionally invested and is already worrying about losing Ashley. Sounds very normal to me.

I'm loving watching this amazing love story unfold. If Ashley doesn't pick JP - then Ben must really do an end-run, because I wouldn't have seen it coming!

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't get why people are so trapped into these edit 'boxes.' Watch the lead and the contestants. I've gone strictly by vibe for every season and have been right. We know they try to fool us and keep us in suspense so the 'edits' change constantly. Why keep clinging to an alleged formula that seems to change each season?

Ashley says she has to have both the physical and emotional connection. She could barely stand for Ryan to touch her and let him stay around because of his 'paper' credentials. He stayed too long and she feels bad for letting him go. I think she is falling in love with Ben because he is so sweet to her and would take good care of her but from a sexual attraction standpoint, I think there is something missing. I can feel her trying to pull something out of him and I'm just not seeing it flowing. Maybe it will emerge when his mother and sister approve of her (or not) but if he doesn't become F1, I'm calling low libido as the reason! LOL!

I'm thinking that they are having a few moments that we aren't being shown. We have already seen how they have chopped, diced, and spiced to show us a story. They left a lot out of the date in the last episode. I think maybe he is camera shy a little too. I fully believe they are having moments we are not seeing. She said herself that the attraction is there, and she feels it emotionally when they kiss. He reamally think he is having trouble getting used to the cameras when it comes to intimacy. JP doesn't seem to have that problem. LOL

This might be right - and why we don't see the passionate kisses with Ben and Ashley!

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't get why people are so trapped into these edit 'boxes.' Watch the lead and the contestants. I've gone strictly by vibe for every season and have been right. We know they try to fool us and keep us in suspense so the 'edits' change constantly. Why keep clinging to an alleged formula that seems to change each season?

Ashley says she has to have both the physical and emotional connection. She could barely stand for Ryan to touch her and let him stay around because of his 'paper' credentials. He stayed too long and she feels bad for letting him go. I think she is falling in love with Ben because he is so sweet to her and would take good care of her but from a sexual attraction standpoint, I think there is something missing. I can feel her trying to pull something out of him and I'm just not seeing it flowing. Maybe it will emerge when his mother and sister approve of her (or not) but if he doesn't become F1, I'm calling low libido as the reason! LOL!

She has already stated that she loves Ben. She has stated that kissing him is great, have the physical and have had the emotional from early on.........kinda the whole package of what she wants if you ask me. I don't think the libido would be the problem. I think there is extreme interest on both sides. As I stated a few weeks ago when a lot of people were saying that he was joking about already kissing her.........I don't think he was. When they kissed later in the epi, they were "too" comfortable about it for it to be the first time for them. Like they had kissed before and Ben was right when he said that in front of Ames and JP.

KarmaGirl wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't have JP on a pedestal. He seems like a regular guy. Any guy who wouldn't get heated seeing me kiss or date other men is probably a pimp and he'd probably be trying to get some money from the guys. LOL!

Lucas looked like he was pretty much seething on that wedding picture date moreso than JP and all he complained about was wearing a dress. He should have told her that he didn't like seeing her kiss JP and Ames too. LOL!

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TOTALLY AGREE!

Not caring that Ashley is locking lips with the other guys means you really don't care that you get sloppy seconds, and really don't care about the girl enough to bother being jealous. Lucas said as much that he didn't care - saying they were really different and a relationship would have been an uphill battle. Rather than be upset that Ashley was kissing other men in front of him, Lucas was upset he had to wear a dress.

JP cares about Ashley. His jealousy was about real feelings of love/passion for Ashley. He didn't whine about Bentley coming back, or whine about the date's attire like Lucas did - he was upset because the woman he feels he is falling in love with was out all night with another man. That left him to wonder, "Was what we had real or not?" He is emotionally invested and is already worrying about losing Ashley. Sounds very normal to me.

I'm loving watching this amazing love story unfold. If Ashley doesn't pick JP - then Ben must really do an end-run, because I wouldn't have seen it coming!

I was all for JP until I started noticing Ben during the orphanage date, then started paying attention. I see how she is with JP, but I also appreciate how she is with Ben. They have had some serious interactions every episode since the orphanage date. Each time he opens up a little more and she responds to him. Even on their date the other night. She leaned into him for the kiss. She asked him all the questions. So, I believe there are two love stories going on. One with JP that is front and center, and one with Ben that is flying under the radar a little. JMO.

KarmaGirl wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't have JP on a pedestal. He seems like a regular guy. Any guy who wouldn't get heated seeing me kiss or date other men is probably a pimp and he'd probably be trying to get some money from the guys. LOL!

Lucas looked like he was pretty much seething on that wedding picture date moreso than JP and all he complained about was wearing a dress. He should have told her that he didn't like seeing her kiss JP and Ames too. LOL!

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TOTALLY AGREE!

Not caring that Ashley is locking lips with the other guys means you really don't care that you get sloppy seconds, and really don't care about the girl enough to bother being jealous. Lucas said as much that he didn't care - saying they were really different and a relationship would have been an uphill battle. Rather than be upset that Ashley was kissing other men in front of him, Lucas was upset he had to wear a dress.

JP cares about Ashley. His jealousy was about real feelings of love/passion for Ashley. He didn't whine about Bentley coming back, or whine about the date's attire like Lucas did - he was upset because the woman he feels he is falling in love with was out all night with another man. That left him to wonder, "Was what we had real or not?" He is emotionally invested and is already worrying about losing Ashley. Sounds very normal to me.

I'm loving watching this amazing love story unfold. If Ashley doesn't pick JP - then Ben must really do an end-run, because I wouldn't have seen it coming!

That's the idea, you hardly ever see the F1 coming......they just are there. As far as JP being on the pedestal around here.........that's for sure. When someone mentions something against JP, that poster gets bombarded.

Like I said before, sometimes it seems like this has turned into a JP fansite board........too bad.

KarmaGirl wrote:This might be right - and why we don't see the passionate kisses with Ben and Ashley!

All I remember is that Ashley has stated again that the attraction is there with her and Ben, the emotional connection is there in full swing. With JP, she states that she is trying to find out what the emotional conenction is and if they have the whole package..........

Coastal wrote:

KarmaGirl wrote:This might be right - and why we don't see the passionate kisses with Ben and Ashley!

All I remember is that Ashley has stated again that the attraction is there with her and Ben, the emotional connection is there in full swing. With JP, she states that she is trying to find out what the emotional conenction is and if they have the whole package..........

I don't mean for this to come off in the wrong way at all, just curious because I can't find it anywhere right now. When did she say this? TIA!

happyntexas wrote:

KarmaGirl wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:I don't have JP on a pedestal. He seems like a regular guy. Any guy who wouldn't get heated seeing me kiss or date other men is probably a pimp and he'd probably be trying to get some money from the guys. LOL!

Lucas looked like he was pretty much seething on that wedding picture date moreso than JP and all he complained about was wearing a dress. He should have told her that he didn't like seeing her kiss JP and Ames too. LOL!

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TOTALLY AGREE!

Not caring that Ashley is locking lips with the other guys means you really don't care that you get sloppy seconds, and really don't care about the girl enough to bother being jealous. Lucas said as much that he didn't care - saying they were really different and a relationship would have been an uphill battle. Rather than be upset that Ashley was kissing other men in front of him, Lucas was upset he had to wear a dress.

JP cares about Ashley. His jealousy was about real feelings of love/passion for Ashley. He didn't whine about Bentley coming back, or whine about the date's attire like Lucas did - he was upset because the woman he feels he is falling in love with was out all night with another man. That left him to wonder, "Was what we had real or not?" He is emotionally invested and is already worrying about losing Ashley. Sounds very normal to me.

I'm loving watching this amazing love story unfold. If Ashley doesn't pick JP - then Ben must really do an end-run, because I wouldn't have seen it coming!

I was all for JP until I started noticing Ben during the orphanage date, then started paying attention. I see how she is with JP, but I also appreciate how she is with Ben. They have had some serious interactions every episode since the orphanage date. Each time he opens up a little more and she responds to him. Even on their date the other night. She leaned into him for the kiss. She asked him all the questions. So, I believe there are two love stories going on. One with JP that is front and center, and one with Ben that is flying under the radar a little. JMO.

The F1 edit usually flies a little under the radar. The one that is in your face is usually the one that needs to be questioned..........just sayin.