Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

Nativenewyorker wrote:

happyntexas wrote:This probably isn't the right forum for this, but someone may can answer it. If Aames doesn't get past HTD's, where does the shot of him shirtless and on the beach come in to play.

I was curious. Because, I don't think he would be shirtless in NY this time of year it was taped. Cold. Does he make it past hometown's.

I believe that picture was from his 1-on-1 date with Ashley in Phuket, Thailand. I believe it was episode 4.

sjcaligurl wrote:They have been making fun of JP since the beginning and they knew that he liked her. They'd all been playing it cool and macho while he'd been wearing his heart on his sleeve. Bottom line is that they are going home one by one and he ... IS NOT! LOL!

Lucas is full of it. He was not happy about JP getting the Tux or about the kissing of the other guys. But he chose to complain about wearing a dress and feeling stupid. Why not complain about not wanting a group date where you kiss other guys which was the real issue. He would have worn a tutu had it just been them alone.

etherealfire wrote:

JBanana wrote:

etherealfire wrote:I gotta say, the feel good moment of this last episode, for me at least, was when the condescending patriarchal he-man jack@$$ Lucas marched out of the dressing room in his elegant and lovely dress Could not have happened to a more self-entitled, pompous jerk IMO.

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Thank you for saying this! I felt the same way and thought that the producers were having some extra fun with him after his ranting from the HK cocktail party.

I loved the rest of your post too, btw.

Thank you so much - for talking to me Sometimes I get a little scared to post coz I'm afraid of rejection so I appreciate the positive respone. BTW, I do love your AVI so much. One of the best deleted scenes ever and I loved Dino and Ash's reaction to it

ETA - Gina, that is exactly what I thought too - glad I'm not the only one. I know I'm not objective in the least about Lucas; he has pushed every one of my buttons.

sjcaligurl wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

Jeepers wrote:The guys weren't giving him a hard time. They were asking Ben about his dare

Come on! They knew he was hanging by a thread before Ben even came back. Why ask those questions in front of him when they knew he was almost in tears to begin with?

Maybe because he had been in a "foul mood" all week (per CH) and they had had it with him. In comes Ben with fresh stories(about the sites etc) and they were eager to hear them.

Well, he loved her more than the other guys! LOL! Ben told her he wasn't going to drop the l-bomb until after she met his family! LOL! :P

albean99 wrote:

Beeleever wrote:

etherealfire wrote:Love being here, MNM. So, anyway, what is the word on JP's edit from the general public or does anybody know? Does it look like the tide is turning against him in a big way? I don't have a sense of that but I wonder what everyone else thinks.

I went to lunch today with a group of 12 women who have watched the show faithfully for the last 5-6 years. Seven quit watching this season because of all the drama with the "B" word and Ashley's incessant whining and crying about it (their words). About half of them are unspoiled, the other half know the F2 are Ben and JP.

They watched the episode Monday night because they wanted to see Emily's interview...mission accomplished MF & Co. We got to talking about JP's edit and I was surprised that with the exception of one, they all thought it was super hot. They absolutely loved that JP showed a little emotion and said they like their guys to have a little fire. The consensus was it made him even more appealing in their eyes. Other than Ryan's over the top cheesy excitability, JP is the only one they see that is showing he is not bored to death and even remotely interested in Ashley. The ones that had not seen JP and Ashley's Hong Kong date were surprised at his ability to communicate his feelings to her so well at the group date cocktail party. All seven that quit are back watching the show and on the JP tram. So I guess from my little MN group, the edit JP got pushed him further ahead and made him seem more "real". Good job TPTB! BTW...We are planning a cupcake party for August 1st!
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I could only find one co-worker who watched this week and she was turned off by JP who she previously liked. She thought he acted like a jerk. I have to agree and have trouble finding jealousy "hot" especially with someone I might have dated when single. Again I don't care about it other than as edited and still find it strange. I have a feeling this will come back throughout the rest of the show.

Bloomers wrote:

KarmaGirl wrote:I agree. Also, after Bentley humiliated her calling her "Ugly Duckling" and such, it was delightful to me to see someone genuinely care for her and to be jealous that someone he cared for so much was out kissing on another guy all night. (This is the way it appeared).

Please don't let me ever be with someone who wouldn't be jealous of that!

Anyway, it has given us something to talk about - kudos to TPTB!

It is one thing to enjoy the way that JP truly seems to care for Ashley. That can be taken out, examined, and even cherished as something special which we are doing on the board. However, it is an entirely different thing to ascribe what is consider a negative character trait - and jealousy is consider a negative character trait -to a character as a positive trait because we are entralled physically with him and with the relationship he has with Ashley. In our enthusiasm for what we are seeing between Jp and Ashley, we are not only failing to see the possible repercussions of jealousy, we are changing the trait itself from a negative into a positive - as if psychologically we can do such a thing.

Pattycake92 wrote:Maybe some of the guys could see that they were fighting a losing battle because of the obvious connection with JP. So they didn't feel wanted themselves. We've had how many guys cry already? I don't buy that the majority weren't interested.

chaslom4 wrote:Sorry I disagree. I don't for one minute think even if JP is F2 he would ever do or say anything that would hurt Ashley. JMO

Pattycake92 wrote:When did JP ever blow up? Musta missed that episode. Anyhoo, I hope the f2 will not run off as it looks like in the preview.