Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

He didn't storm out. He left and probably went and got on the bus/van for the date early.

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Kelad9 wrote:
I see Ben being quiet and not even saying anything if he's F2 whereas if JP is F2, JP will definately blow. JMO.

Seriously! I can't see JP taking it quietly (finding out he's F2). I'm picturing how Molly took it...didn't she tell Jason he's making a big mistake? I can imagine JP getting upset and saying something like that.

she did - which reminds me of Chelsea gunning for Matt's throat (verbally) and calling Shayne the falsest person....it really was spectacular. Bevin was shell-shocked and didn't utter a word. Sadie was truly a lady and understood PLos heart was somewhere else and she wanted him to be happy.

Ultimately, the F2s are always better off than if they were chosen. (especially Sadie....I cannot believe I wanted PLo to pick her... )
I will never forget Bevin.....she was so devastated...that was when my husband told me he would never watch the show again with me.

Bob kept trying to hold Kelly Jo's hands which she kept tight behind her back so that she wouldn't push him into the water. He had fed her a bunch of baloney...

Byron and Matt both used the lines, "I meant everything I said to you (even though I haven't chosen you)," and Tanya and Chelsea both let the guys know exactly what they thought of them and their lines and the sincerity behind the lines with which they had been given.
For good measure, Chelsea threw in that Shayne was false. Well..... guess Matt figured that one out for himself.

Tara looked at Jesse and told him that he had a lot of nerve telling her that ( the things he was saying) after the things they did last night. ( Read between the lines for yourself.....)

Molly unloaded on Jason. On the way back to the car - especially when they were standing under that pavillion - Molly made sure in no uncertain terms that Jason understood he had made a huge "mistake" in choosing Melissa over her, and that he was going to be very sorry that he did.

These F2 folks did not "go quietly into the night," I am just surprised that more of them don't react realistically.
Matt was a perfect gentleman and was so considerate of Meredith at the FRC until he saw the show played back and saw how she had led him on, especially with the line of , "I would be honored to accept (or wear) your ring," which the way she worded it, and the fact that she fished it out of him was leading him on, and it made him mad. At the ATFR, he asked her for an accounting of her actions, and she gave a weak wave of her hand, and said, "the show."

I think sometimes we forget, though, that the F2s are real people with real feelings, and while the F1 is having a great time and day, at least in that moment, the F2s are experiencing very real emotions of another kind.

sjcaligurl wrote:He didn't storm out. He left and probably went and got on the bus/van for the date early.

Actually he did storm out...

On the show it appeared that JP was getting very jealous and very attached to Ashley. What was your interpretation and how did you feel when you heard she had an overnight date with Ben?

JP, you know, when I was there, he was definitely, definitely falling for her. I wasn’t to that point yet. We were just really getting to know each other. It came out. He became very, very cranky and all that stuff, especially with Ben on his overnight date. It didn’t bother me that Ben was on an overnight date. I mean, we’re all going to have an opportunity with Ashley and when [Ben] walked in and we were calling him “The 24 Hour Man.” I mean it really — I mean everybody saw that JP stormed out. Instead of kind of sitting there and, you know, talking about it and taking it like a man, he had to storm out. So it really didn’t bother me at all that Ben came in the next day. Not at all.

emusha wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:He didn't storm out. He left and probably went and got on the bus/van for the date early.

Actually he did storm out...

On the show it appeared that JP was getting very jealous and very attached to Ashley. What was your interpretation and how did you feel when you heard she had an overnight date with Ben?

JP, you know, when I was there, he was definitely, definitely falling for her. I wasn’t to that point yet. We were just really getting to know each other. It came out. He became very, very cranky and all that stuff, especially with Ben on his overnight date. It didn’t bother me that Ben was on an overnight date. I mean, we’re all going to have an opportunity with Ashley and when [Ben] walked in and we were calling him “The 24 Hour Man.” I mean it really — I mean everybody saw that JP stormed out. Instead of kind of sitting there and, you know, talking about it and taking it like a man, he had to storm out. So it really didn’t bother me at all that Ben came in the next day. Not at all.

That is still Lucas' opinion. They hardly had the same experience with Ashley. JP had darned near made love to her on at least two occasions. Lucas barely got a kiss on a junk boat. Of course he is not going to feel that way. Those guys don't have a clue what JP was going through. He certainly got pissed about Bentley and Bentley hadn't been around in weeks. At least JP had sense enough to know who to be mad about! LOL!

sjcaligurl wrote:He didn't storm out. He left and probably went and got on the bus/van for the date early.

He stormed out. Maybe he had been acting so grumpy they were relieved he left for a bit. It was obvious why he was not happy, why ask him. Possible he had even told them. I noticed from the group date that Lucas and Ames were not fans of JP.

Living wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:He didn't storm out. He left and probably went and got on the bus/van for the date early.

He stormed out. Maybe he had been acting so grumpy they were relieved he left for a bit. It was obvious why he was not happy, why ask him. Possible he had even told them. I noticed from the group date that Lucas and Ames were not fans of JP.

Okay. He STORMED out. LOL! They were giving him a hard time and he was really upset. That wasn't very nice of them. They were laughing at him during his photo shoot too.

The guys weren't giving him a hard time. They were asking Ben about his date. Yes, Ben may have been a bit coy, not a kiss and tell kinda guy

Jeepers wrote:The guys weren't giving him a hard time. They were asking Ben about his dare

Come on! They knew he was hanging by a thread before Ben even came back. Why ask those questions in front of him when they knew he was almost in tears to begin with?

sjcaligurl wrote:

Living wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:He didn't storm out. He left and probably went and got on the bus/van for the date early.

He stormed out. Maybe he had been acting so grumpy they were relieved he left for a bit. It was obvious why he was not happy, why ask him. Possible he had even told them. I noticed from the group date that Lucas and Ames were not fans of JP.

Okay. He STORMED out. LOL! They were giving him a hard time and he was really upset. That wasn't very nice of them. They were laughing at him during his photo shoot too.

Wonder why? Even expecting him to throw a tantrum like a 16yr old. God knows how much remained on the cutting floor. Has anyone checked if the person who left the show was JP and not Constantine. Maybe the red suitcase guy is JP for all we know. He seems petulant like a child and could have stormed out when he learned Ryan was back.

As long as he didn't punch a wall, kick somebody, or yell derogatory comments, I don't think it's a big deal. He threw some dirty looks, realized he was getting upset, and left the room. It obviously didn't bother Ashley so I'm not letting it bother me!

sjcaligurl wrote:

Jeepers wrote:The guys weren't giving him a hard time. They were asking Ben about his dare

Come on! They knew he was hanging by a thread before Ben even came back. Why ask those questions in front of him when they knew he was almost in tears to begin with?

I don't have JP on a pedestal as some do and don't think he is the ONLY guy who has feelings for her. It is very natural for those at the house/hotel to ask some questions of the returning date. We have seen it many times. so why would they NOT ask about his date. JP or o JP

sjcaligurl wrote:

Jeepers wrote:The guys weren't giving him a hard time. They were asking Ben about his dare

Come on! They knew he was hanging by a thread before Ben even came back. Why ask those questions in front of him when they knew he was almost in tears to begin with?

Because they're guys?

Actually, as much as I hate to say it, I really would have expected them to have goaded him more if they truly understood how much it was getting under his skin.
I have 3 nephews in their 20s, and when they are at a family gathering with their friends, that is the way they act. They really pick at each other and their friends. I think it is a guy thing. :greenman: