Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

anders wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

ironcat wrote:Thanks for answering my question, Bloomers. Not sure I agree with everything, but you may be right, only time will tell. I just feel that regardless of whether JP is F1 or F2, including the jealousy bit (and perhaps even ramping up the extent of it via the editing) was the only choice the producers had in terms of trying to put together an interesting show this season. These guys (and Ashley) are just not giving them enough craziness to work with, outside of the Bentley stuff (which they may have had to pull the plug on early because it pissed off so many viewers).

It reminds me of a comment CH made about how this group of men were more mature and professional, and weren't getting into a lot of "exploits" in the house like past contestants did. He made it sound like a positive, but I suspect that TPTB were very disappointed, and went looking in other directions for the crazy as a result.

I really do think that Ashley has had some of the best guys ever though, in the end, only a couple out of the bunch, each season, come close to being a match for the lead.

I'm not sure Ashley is as ready as she needs to be. She's got a whole lot going on to get so caught up in finding a husband on TV. As far as the edit predicting the future, I'm sure we can all see things. These producers are not all seeing beings. They seem to be in the same age range/boat as many of the contestants.

What I see/fear is that JP is really ready. I'm not sure Ashley is. I think that while she's been portrayed as insecure and needy, she really isn't that bad and JP may end up being the needy one and he may be too much for her when it pans out.

On the other hand, Ben has been through a heavy loss. He said something about understanding that death was a part of the cycle of life and he really does seem to have a different attitude about things.. "you're a smart girl, you'll figure it out." "She just needs to focus on the guys who are left and she'll be okay." "if I end up crushed in the end, that's a part of it ..." So, I'm assuming that if Ashley does have a wee bit of neediness and is looking for a guy to lean on and to provide a certain level of guidance, Ben might not be enough because his perspective is different. He's going to think that most things aren't that big of a deal and assume that she'll figure it out on her own.
I'm not sure Goldilocks is going to find her long term "just right" (if there even is one in life) if she chooses either of them.

IDK, I interpret that part to be that Ben realizes the process he and the other guys are going through and the results are not in his hands at all - I don't think that would translate into the real world where he would take a hands off approach to the lady he falls in love with. Some of these folks never truly let their walls down because they fear being rejected, this very well could be Ben.

Bloomers wrote:

emusha wrote:To put it simply -- can you imagine Brad's season without the overly emotional Ashley and Chantal and the crazy Michelle Money?

This season the only potentials for this stuff were ONLY Ryan and JP (part of it manufactured)

I enjoyed Peter Pan William. I also enjoyed the beautiful, realistic, frank Mickey who called it like he saw it, and then took her bluff to her dismay. Who would have thought the dentist would have been such a girl about things? :laughingoutlou Also, we have never seen any bachelor, let alone an F3 be an nonchalant as Dino has been. That has been entertaining. He has kept Ashley intriqued, and she is chasing him.

Also, while it may "ruin" Ashley's big day, if Ben walks away after she rejects him, I am so looking forward to that because that is so credibly realistic. We have seen signs in seasons before where the F2 realizes in a lightbulb moment that they have been played - led on and deceived ( whether the show calls for it or not which doesn't matter to the F2), and they get angry and not hurt in that moment.
If he walks away, she really has it coming! That is realistic in my opinion because he will have come to the realization on the spot that he was deceived up to that moment by everything she had said and done.

anders wrote:No person has ever walked away at F2. Not yet anyway.

Bloomers wrote:

emusha wrote:To put it simply -- can you imagine Brad's season without the overly emotional Ashley and Chantal and the crazy Michelle Money?

This season the only potentials for this stuff were ONLY Ryan and JP (part of it manufactured)

I enjoyed Peter Pan William. I also enjoyed the beautiful, realistic, frank Mickey who called it like he saw it, and then took her bluff to her dismay. Who would have thought the dentist would have been such a girl about things? :laughingoutlou Also, we have never seen any bachelor, let alone an F3 be an nonchalant as Dino has been. That has been entertaining. He has kept Ashley intriqued, and she is chasing him.

Also, while it may "ruin" Ashley's big day, if Ben walks away after she rejects him, I am so looking forward to that because that is so credibly realistic. We have seen signs in seasons before where the F2 realizes in a lightbulb moment that they have been played - led on and deceived ( whether the show calls for it or not which doesn't matter to the F2), and they get angry and not hurt in that moment.
If he walks away, she really has it coming! That is realistic in my opinion because he will have come to the realization on the spot that he was deceived up to that moment by everything she had said and done.

sjcaligurl wrote: I agree but he went in as a skeptic and not expecting to really care in the end. He's finding himself getting caught up. He may not be as hands off in his next relationship but it doesn't sound like he's been really putting forth a lot over the past few years anyway due to him being an 'emotional zombie.' He's really struggling but seems to have broken through part of his emotional barrier ... His level of intimacy seems to still be in question as he has a tiger-like girl that he's not really responding to. LOL!

mnmhughes wrote:

anders wrote:No person has ever walked away at F2. Not yet anyway.

I understand that. I was referring to the fact that every F2 has to face that moment when they realize they were, essentially, led on.

mnmhughes wrote:

anders wrote:No person has ever walked away at F2. Not yet anyway.

I understand that. I was referring to the fact that every F2 has to face that moment when they realize they were, essentially, led on.

ironcat wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

anders wrote:No person has ever walked away at F2. Not yet anyway.

I understand that. I was referring to the fact that every F2 has to face that moment when they realize they were, essentially, led on.

If Ben is F2, and if gets angry and blasts Ashley for having led him on, I wonder if he will be branded as someone with dangerous anger management issues as well. (Yes, I went there!) :winkie:

anders wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

anders wrote:No person has ever walked away at F2. Not yet anyway.

I understand that. I was referring to the fact that every F2 has to face that moment when they realize they were, essentially, led on.

I'd love to see someone actually slap a lead - or something = Tara gave Jesse quite a tonguebath - that was hilarious!!

Word of the day = hilarious!!

anders wrote:

ironcat wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

anders wrote:No person has ever walked away at F2. Not yet anyway.

I understand that. I was referring to the fact that every F2 has to face that moment when they realize they were, essentially, led on.

If Ben is F2, and if gets angry and blasts Ashley for having led him on, I wonder if he will be branded as someone with dangerous anger management issues as well. (Yes, I went there!) :winkie:

oh yes you did..... :giggle: