Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

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northernviewer wrote:JP seems to be the only one really interested in Ashley the person. I bet if Ben and Dino were given the choice of having a 1/1 with Ashley or each other, they'd pick each other. Yep, a real life Lloyd and Harry on a moped, truckin' up the mountain....... hope Dino doesn't have to pee.....

I agree. I think TPTB left JP's jealousy in the edit because, frankly, none of the other guys care and this episode would have been even more boring than it already was. JMO. :hidingchair

I disagree extently............it is extremely obvious that Ben cares for her greatly!! If you have an open mind, it would be extremely obvious. IMO

I think the remaining guys care about her a lot at the level they are at with her. i would place Ames above Constantine but it seems Ames will go first. Ben is definitely falling for her. He's just so sweet. She's got two very sweet, but different, guys at the top. The finale is going to be tough to watch.

It seems to me that depending on what side of the fence you stand, the more likely that not all facts or all realistic things into consideration..........meaning, I believe the guys care greatly for her.........the only one I see handling the situation extremely badly is JP.

Respectfully, I do not agree with this statement. I basically posted my feelings last night at length as to why I think JP handled it the way he did. I didn't judge him, merely explained why I understood how he was feeling and what was going on inside him.

I don't know that I want to restate my comments once more. However, I believe that JP was being real, being himself, struggling like human beings do when they are in a situation which has become extremely difficult for them.

And please, before I am called out for being a JP worshipper and not a Ben fan, I will point out that I have had only good things to say about Ben. JP has been my favorite from the beginning, but I have come to like and admire Ben. He is funny, smart, charming and has a kind of laid back, chill disposition. Although I do think that he has strong emotions underneath that relaxed exterior. I think he's a great guy.

I connect more with JP, see some of myself when I was much younger in him, had this kind of gut feeling or instinct about him immediately. It's not a contest with me. These are two terrific guys and whoever Ashley picks, she will be very lucky.

I am not a Ben fan either..........I just see their connection just as I see a connection betwen Ash and Constantine/Ames as well. The only difference is I am remaining neutral and therefore can see different things and don't go gaga over JP.......that seems to be a bit of a plague on here lately. IMO

I haven't posted since some time in the wee hours of yesterday morning. I was kind of uncomfortable with the comments about the JP fans, how we are in the majority and making others feel uncomfortable. I also didn't want to read any more comments about JP's behavior in this latest episode. I said what I thought and that was it. JP was attacked weeks ago for being supposedly controlling and possessive. I expressed my feelings about that at the time. I am really not of a mind to defend JP endlessly. I read some comments on another forum that were quite unfortunate and harsh about JP. So then I decided I was done.

I must have missed what happened today, or I guess it would now be yesterday. I haven't caught up on all of the discussion here. What I will say is that when I was sent a pm on FORT inviting me to join this site, I had no way of knowing that people here would like JP the way I did. I have been in the minority in the past. Sometimes that meant not posting very much on FORT, when things got really heated.

I do still think it's JP, however I am keeping an open mind. I have been trying to keep up with all of the latest information. I have not ruled out the possibility that it could be Ben. I know this show too well. Since I like both JP and Ben, there will be no conflict or histrionic reaction from me. I will be happy for whoever Ashley picks and wish them the best. I also know that whoever is F2, will also be fine.

I am just feeling a bit unnerved by the comments about how JP fans are making it difficult for some people here. I have spoken a good deal about what I think about JP, how I feel and why I really like him. Hopefully, that has not been a part of what is making people feel unwelcome or unheard.

For me, it boiled down to what happened today/yesterday, whatever the heck it was.........I was called names for saying things against JP...........that, I didn't take too kindly to. You, yourself have shown compassion for all sides from what I see. There are others that haven't and those are the ones that I am talking about with regards to feeling completely uncomfortable around. Hope you can understand that. I have voiced how I feel about JP and his temperment and attitude with Monday's show........That feeling I have won't change. I am not on anyone's side as I am seriously trying to remain neutral considering what I know. That's all I can say for now.

For what it's worth, I do more lurking and reading than posting. I have read everything you have said, along with others who have information about Ben being F1. I take it all in and then keep it in the back of my mind. So I am paying attention.

To be honest, I have been going back and forth with all of this. In my heart, I still think it's JP. Having said that, there are times when I read information and begin to wonder. I just never feel entirely comfortable and sure with this show, unless the sleuthers here manage to uncover solid, substantive proof as to the identity of the F1. They did it right near the end of Ali's season with the reveal that it was Roberto. He was my favorite and also someone I liked from the very beginning. However, I read the back and forth on FORT and still questioned if I was right that it was Roberto. I do kind of test myself as I go along. I try to decide if I am thinking and feeling what I am because it's what I want to happen or what I know.

I do believe that you are entitled to think what you will about JP's behavior. I can respect your right to do that completely. It seems that I am always battling my rational side versus my emotional side. So it can get a little crazy. There are days when I wake up and know it's JP for sure, Then there are days when I wake up and think that it might be Ben. I haven't really spoken about this process that I go through up until now. No matter what, JP has won my heart. He is special to me. I would love what I am feeling to become reality, but if it doesn't, then the sun will still rise and set the next day and life will go on.

Again, thanks for your post.........full of reasoning and at least compassion with regards to respect for how I feel about JP and his attitude from Monday's show. Again, if it was the first time it happened with the guys, that 's different, but according to Ames, Lucas, and Ryan........it's nothing new and it seemed that it frustrated the guys a lot.

Look forward to more of your posts........

Stopped posting here because it seems we are debating someone's edited actions that to me are just nothing. As a person who was married to someone abusive and with anger issues, I have seen nothing, nothing and I will say it again nothing that even hints at behavior out of the normal range. If there were red flags that I saw, I would be the first to post about it and point it out because I went through seven years of therapy so that I would never find myself in that position again. JP and Ben both nice guys, I don't care who wins, and certainly from my point of view show only normal ways of reaction to the pressure cooker situation of this show. Wish that I could come online to get my fix of reading everyone's posts and that people could just agree to disagree. Why do we care who wins...the only person that should care is Ashley.

ironcat wrote:Personally, I like a guy who can express his feelings, who is animated and not afraid to get emotional, over one who appears so mellow that he might be medicated and would probably put me to sleep. Different strokes for different folks!

ironcat wrote:Personally, I like a guy who can express his feelings, who is animated and not afraid to get emotional, over one who appears so mellow that he might be medicated and would probably put me to sleep. Different strokes for different folks!

Gina wrote:

ironcat wrote:Personally, I like a guy who can express his feelings, who is animated and not afraid to get emotional, over one who appears so mellow that he might be medicated and would probably put me to sleep. Different strokes for different folks!

I date both kinds. First b/f was so mellow, it got so boring and it was boring everywhere..ahem. He was an stick man who spoke in a monotone too. My b/f of 2 years is so much like JP and he's exciting and animated everywhere, ahem. And what fun we have...we are both more animated than not, so this one is a keeper and we are going strong. And on rare occasions, he can be a little jealous if he feels his guy friends are flirting with me, but he's so cool about it and knows I love only him. Once JP knows if he's F1, that she loves him, he won't be inscure and jealous either.

Mary, God Bless you and please don't leave. Most on here are very respectful, and realize it's a TV show and not our real lives and no need for the anger. Thanks for sharing your situation with us.

Gina wrote:

ironcat wrote:Personally, I like a guy who can express his feelings, who is animated and not afraid to get emotional, over one who appears so mellow that he might be medicated and would probably put me to sleep. Different strokes for different folks!

I dated both kinds. First b/f was so mellow, it got so boring and it was boring everywhere..ahem. He was an stick man who spoke in a monotone too. My b/f of 2 years is so much like JP and he's exciting and animated everywhere, ahem. And what fun we have...we are both more animated than not, so this one is a keeper and we are going strong. And on rare occasions, he can be a little jealous if he feels his guy friends are flirting with me, but he's so cool about it and knows I love only him. Once JP knows if he's F1, that she loves him, he won't be insecure and jealous either.

The heart wants what the heart wants, so it's what Ashley's heart wants in the end.

Mary, God Bless you and please don't leave. Most on here are very respectful, and realize it's a TV show and not our real lives and no need for the anger. Thanks for sharing your situation with us.

northernviewer wrote:

anders wrote:I've seen plenty of instances where JP wears scuff. Even at some RCs

True but I think he'd shave for the FRC. Ryan would be more likely to leave the scruff ... so he could look more like Brad and hope it influenced Ashley

happyvalleygirl wrote:So interesting to hear everyone's opinions. I find it interesting that there are some who think JP is TOO jealous. I have had a jealous boyfriend, JP, the edited version for the show, is no where near TOO jealous. I agree with Gina and Karma that it's more the situation that is the problem, having the girl you are falling in love with kissing other guys if I were a guy would upset me too. Once he knows she is his and he is hers, he will be fine. Yes I know he signed up to donthe show, but I dont think , people realize how hard it is going to be going in.

jmo of course.

I personally could never be a contestant on this show. I couldn't handle The dating more than one person at a time. It is beyond my limits.

Excited to see hometowns, ita always interesting to see
The families that the guys/girls come from.

Hopefully no stuffed game, or dead doves on this epi.

albean99 wrote:I'm only interested in JP's jealousy as it's edited. Only he and people around him know the truth and I really don't care. I still think no matter how many people defend him, that it was unattractive and takes away from a f1 edit. I will be interested to see if there's more to come especially during the FDs.