Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

Coastal wrote:

Nativenewyorker wrote:

Coastal wrote:

Nativenewyorker wrote:

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sjcaligurl wrote:

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

northernviewer wrote:JP seems to be the only one really interested in Ashley the person. I bet if Ben and Dino were given the choice of having a 1/1 with Ashley or each other, they'd pick each other. Yep, a real life Lloyd and Harry on a moped, truckin' up the mountain....... hope Dino doesn't have to pee.....

I agree. I think TPTB left JP's jealousy in the edit because, frankly, none of the other guys care and this episode would have been even more boring than it already was. JMO. :hidingchair

I disagree extently............it is extremely obvious that Ben cares for her greatly!! If you have an open mind, it would be extremely obvious. IMO

I think the remaining guys care about her a lot at the level they are at with her. i would place Ames above Constantine but it seems Ames will go first. Ben is definitely falling for her. He's just so sweet. She's got two very sweet, but different, guys at the top. The finale is going to be tough to watch.

It seems to me that depending on what side of the fence you stand, the more likely that not all facts or all realistic things into consideration..........meaning, I believe the guys care greatly for her.........the only one I see handling the situation extremely badly is JP.

Respectfully, I do not agree with this statement. I basically posted my feelings last night at length as to why I think JP handled it the way he did. I didn't judge him, merely explained why I understood how he was feeling and what was going on inside him.

I don't know that I want to restate my comments once more. However, I believe that JP was being real, being himself, struggling like human beings do when they are in a situation which has become extremely difficult for them.

And please, before I am called out for being a JP worshipper and not a Ben fan, I will point out that I have had only good things to say about Ben. JP has been my favorite from the beginning, but I have come to like and admire Ben. He is funny, smart, charming and has a kind of laid back, chill disposition. Although I do think that he has strong emotions underneath that relaxed exterior. I think he's a great guy.

I connect more with JP, see some of myself when I was much younger in him, had this kind of gut feeling or instinct about him immediately. It's not a contest with me. These are two terrific guys and whoever Ashley picks, she will be very lucky.

I am not a Ben fan either..........I just see their connection just as I see a connection betwen Ash and Constantine/Ames as well. The only difference is I am remaining neutral and therefore can see different things and don't go gaga over JP.......that seems to be a bit of a plague on here lately. IMO

I haven't posted since some time in the wee hours of yesterday morning. I was kind of uncomfortable with the comments about the JP fans, how we are in the majority and making others feel uncomfortable. I also didn't want to read any more comments about JP's behavior in this latest episode. I said what I thought and that was it. JP was attacked weeks ago for being supposedly controlling and possessive. I expressed my feelings about that at the time. I am really not of a mind to defend JP endlessly. I read some comments on another forum that were quite unfortunate and harsh about JP. So then I decided I was done.

I must have missed what happened today, or I guess it would now be yesterday. I haven't caught up on all of the discussion here. What I will say is that when I was sent a pm on FORT inviting me to join this site, I had no way of knowing that people here would like JP the way I did. I have been in the minority in the past. Sometimes that meant not posting very much on FORT, when things got really heated.

I do still think it's JP, however I am keeping an open mind. I have been trying to keep up with all of the latest information. I have not ruled out the possibility that it could be Ben. I know this show too well. Since I like both JP and Ben, there will be no conflict or histrionic reaction from me. I will be happy for whoever Ashley picks and wish them the best. I also know that whoever is F2, will also be fine.

I am just feeling a bit unnerved by the comments about how JP fans are making it difficult for some people here. I have spoken a good deal about what I think about JP, how I feel and why I really like him. Hopefully, that has not been a part of what is making people feel unwelcome or unheard.

For me, it boiled down to what happened today/yesterday, whatever the heck it was.........I was called names for saying things against JP...........that, I didn't take too kindly to. You, yourself have shown compassion for all sides from what I see. There are others that haven't and those are the ones that I am talking about with regards to feeling completely uncomfortable around. Hope you can understand that. I have voiced how I feel about JP and his temperment and attitude with Monday's show........That feeling I have won't change. I am not on anyone's side as I am seriously trying to remain neutral considering what I know. That's all I can say for now.

bluwavz wrote:

happyntexas wrote:I just wondered if she really like him that much to keep giving him the first rose in the RC's or if she wanted to take a friend to the end.

I think if they had more time than the show allows he would have fallen for her. He is already heading that direction.

Hmmm, I'm not sure. Does anyone know if the Bachelor/Bachelorette picks the order of the roses handed out or do the producers? I was thinking the producers have a say in the order to at least some extent, like when Bentley received the last rose at the rose ceremony in the first episode.

I think he might have, too. I thought he just wasn't interested in her at first, but now I just think the whole situation moved too quickly for him with the little time spent with her.

happyntexas wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

happyntexas wrote:

Coastal wrote:

ninu wrote:Feedback from completely unspoiled - my mom and sister think that Ash is only "going through the motions for the money" and that she's still totally into Bentley still... that's who she fell for and isn't into any of the others.

And my sister said "he looks like a serial killer" during a closeup on JP's face during Lucas/Ash kissing

LOL, I can agree with that, now include the dagger look that JP was giving Ben when Ben returned from his date.........yowsi!!

Come to think of it. He glared pretty hard when Ben got the group date rose way back then......and I thought to myself....whoa!! thought he was getting the rose. Because before that while she was explaining about how he was great on the date, good conversation, and she was starting to have strong feelings for this person. He was just as smug as he could be, grinning ear to ear. He thought she was going to give it to him.

HEY, I HAVE A QUESTION:

I know that Constantine goes home. And they look all buddy buddy, instead of romantic, but have ya'll noticed how he gets a lot of the first roses. 2nd rose at meet and greet. Then the last two episodes he was first, even before Ben. Do you think maybe she liked him more than she lets on and hoping he will like her back. OR she knows he a sure buddy date and is making sure to keep him hanging on until the end for safe FD.

I initially thought that she kept Constantine around for an easy elimination, but the last episode might have changed my mind a bit. On their 1-on-1 date, it looked to me that she might have had some feelings for him. It's assumed he's the one that leaves the competition, so who knows what would have happened? She did say he was physically her type.

I kind of thought that she was really wanting something to happen between them it just was going slower than everyone else. Because she like him right out of the limo. I think she wanted to end up more than just friends, but everyone else just started passing him by because of his slower pace. I think they would have made a good match too. I really thought she would have made a good match with Nick too. I loved his parting words, "She missed out on a great husband!" Poor guy. I don't know....sometimes he was kind of smug!

sjcaligurl wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

happyntexas wrote:I just wondered if she really like him that much to keep giving him the first rose in the RC's or if she wanted to take a friend to the end.

I think if they had more time than the show allows he would have fallen for her. He is already heading that direction.

Hmmm, I'm not sure. Does anyone know if the Bachelor/Bachelorette picks the order of the roses handed out or do the producers? I was thinking the producers have a say in the order to at least some extent, like when Bentley received the last rose at the rose ceremony in the first episode.

I think he might have, too. I thought he just wasn't interested in her at first, but now I just think the whole situation moved too quickly for him with the little time spent with her.

Producers decide the order of the roses. From some info I got, sometimes after the lead chooses her top guys the first night, producers also decide who is going home when - with adjustments as needed of course.

sjcaligurl wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

happyntexas wrote:I just wondered if she really like him that much to keep giving him the first rose in the RC's or if she wanted to take a friend to the end.

I think if they had more time than the show allows he would have fallen for her. He is already heading that direction.

Hmmm, I'm not sure. Does anyone know if the Bachelor/Bachelorette picks the order of the roses handed out or do the producers? I was thinking the producers have a say in the order to at least some extent, like when Bentley received the last rose at the rose ceremony in the first episode.

I think he might have, too. I thought he just wasn't interested in her at first, but now I just think the whole situation moved too quickly for him with the little time spent with her.

Producers decide the order of the roses. From some info I got, sometimes after the lead chooses her top guys the first night, producers also decide who is going home when - with adjustments as needed of course.

Lucas15 wrote:

JBF wrote:Then again, I'm one of the goofy ones here who thinks that the over-emphasis on Bentley and the whole Asian Tour had to be done simply as "fogscreen" to cover her relationship with her Final One...

Guilty as charged here also - at least as far as the emphasis on Bentley. The Asian Tour may just have been giving the most points offered by local tourism bureaus.

As I watched Episode 7 it struck me that I can't recall seeing any past show where we have gotten to the HTD with less mutual interest shown between the fox and the hounds than this one. The only one still in the hunt is Jordan - all the others seem to have thrown in the towel and given up. Ames - just as he has given us such cerebral comments as his "life is beautiful" line, said exactly this on the wedding photo date but I don't think that was included to be just about him and Lucas; he was speaking for the entire cast of also rans.

And my key point is that it is not only that Ashley shows little or no interest in any of the other guys. The most important thing I saw in Episode 7 is that the other guys show little or no interest in Ashley.



I think the fogscreen worked; we were all misled by the Bentley fogscreen and this didn't have the clarity that it does without him to kick around anymore.

happyntexas wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

happyntexas wrote:I just wondered if she really like him that much to keep giving him the first rose in the RC's or if she wanted to take a friend to the end.

I think if they had more time than the show allows he would have fallen for her. He is already heading that direction.

Hmmm, I'm not sure. Does anyone know if the Bachelor/Bachelorette picks the order of the roses handed out or do the producers? I was thinking the producers have a say in the order to at least some extent, like when Bentley received the last rose at the rose ceremony in the first episode.

I think he might have, too. I thought he just wasn't interested in her at first, but now I just think the whole situation moved too quickly for him with the little time spent with her.

Producers decide the order of the roses. From some info I got, sometimes after the lead chooses her top guys the first night, producers also decide who is going home when - with adjustments as needed of course.

I am a relatively new person to all of this. What happened is I accidently left the TV on after Dancing with the Stars on the same night the bachelorette premiered. So, I sat and watched. I had heard of it before but my guy would turn this off quicker than anything, so I never watched. Needless to say, got hooked. So, I went back and watched Brad's season to see how Ashley ended up the Bachelorette. And that started a vicious cycle with the seasons I could find. Jillian, Jason, Ali, and Jake. Thank goodness that's all I could find because I'd probably still be in re-run heck. LOL So, I'm just now learning from reading all of your threads here, how things work and what to look for.

Are you saying that the bachelorette on the first night has to select a core group of guys she wants?? In the long run, she actually does get to pick who she wants doesn't she. I mean, I know it's edited and scripted to a degree, but she actually does get to choose her own guys she wants to get to know doesn't she??

bluwavz wrote:

happyntexas wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

bluwavz wrote:

happyntexas wrote:I just wondered if she really like him that much to keep giving him the first rose in the RC's or if she wanted to take a friend to the end.

I think if they had more time than the show allows he would have fallen for her. He is already heading that direction.

Hmmm, I'm not sure. Does anyone know if the Bachelor/Bachelorette picks the order of the roses handed out or do the producers? I was thinking the producers have a say in the order to at least some extent, like when Bentley received the last rose at the rose ceremony in the first episode.

I think he might have, too. I thought he just wasn't interested in her at first, but now I just think the whole situation moved too quickly for him with the little time spent with her.

Producers decide the order of the roses. From some info I got, sometimes after the lead chooses her top guys the first night, producers also decide who is going home when - with adjustments as needed of course.

I am a relatively new person to all of this. What happened is I accidently left the TV on after Dancing with the Stars on the same night the bachelorette premiered. So, I sat and watched. I had heard of it before but my guy would turn this off quicker than anything, so I never watched. Needless to say, got hooked. So, I went back and watched Brad's season to see how Ashley ended up the Bachelorette. And that started a vicious cycle with the seasons I could find. Jillian, Jason, Ali, and Jake. Thank goodness that's all I could find because I'd probably still be in re-run heck. LOL So, I'm just now learning from reading all of your threads here, how things work and what to look for.

Are you saying that the bachelorette on the first night has to select a core group of guys she wants?? In the long run, she actually does get to pick who she wants doesn't she. I mean, I know it's edited and scripted to a degree, but she actually does get to choose her own guys she wants to get to know doesn't she??

From what I've heard past contestants say, the lead picks their F4 the first night. Then of course there are some contestants who have a storyline and the producers choose when they're eliminated (Jeff the Mask, probably). I assume besides the producers picks, the lead choose who goes home, but maybe I'm wrong?

Kelad9 wrote:
Regarding bolding- I also agree. I think she's pretty much has picked her F1 and is just ready for the show to be over. I'm sure if she could have, she'd have sent everyone except F1 home last night IMO. Because I don't think she's cut out to lead guys on ( might be why we see her say she thinks she's not cut out for this-- IE: meaning leading them on when she already knows who she wants).

ironcat wrote: ITA with you. I think too much is made of trying to match edits, because every season, events on the ground work out differently. Sometimes the lead falls for the person who has the most on screen charisma/personality, and will become the fan favorite, sometimes they fall for the instigator in the house, sometimes they fall for the quiet one who doesn't make good TV, or the one with the tragic backstory, sometimes they choose the person they have the most physical chemistry with, and sometimes they don't. The producers can't decide how they will edit them all until they see both the end result and what they have to work with, and they can enhance the edit to some degree, but they can't totally change who the person is with the edit. And the bottom line is always to make what they think will be an interesting show with drama wherever they can find it. If it means throwing the lead, the F1, 2, 3, or 4 under the bus to get there, they will do it.