Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

Pattycake92 wrote:Her reaction to Ben pouring his heart out looked sad to me:



Her reaction to JP pouring his heart out:

I believe you may of gotten the wrong picture when you said about Ben pouring his heart out........that wasn't seen at that time. I think you will find her looking extremely happy when Ben does that............maybe search for the proper one to get an adequate and realistic comparrison..........IMO

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

northernviewer wrote:JP seems to be the only one really interested in Ashley the person. I bet if Ben and Dino were given the choice of having a 1/1 with Ashley or each other, they'd pick each other. Yep, a real life Lloyd and Harry on a moped, truckin' up the mountain....... hope Dino doesn't have to pee.....

I agree. I think TPTB left JP's jealousy in the edit because, frankly, none of the other guys care and this episode would have been even more boring than it already was. JMO. :hidingchair

I disagree extently............it is extremely obvious that Ben cares for her greatly!! If you have an open mind, it would be extremely obvious. IMO

I think it has been obvious since the orphanage group date.....He said so you like me now. She said maybe. He said today was big then. Kiss....Ruh-Roh. Then the group date rose, when she told "everyone" that she was developing strong feelings for Ben before giving him the rose.

sjcaligurl wrote:

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

northernviewer wrote:JP seems to be the only one really interested in Ashley the person. I bet if Ben and Dino were given the choice of having a 1/1 with Ashley or each other, they'd pick each other. Yep, a real life Lloyd and Harry on a moped, truckin' up the mountain....... hope Dino doesn't have to pee.....

I agree. I think TPTB left JP's jealousy in the edit because, frankly, none of the other guys care and this episode would have been even more boring than it already was. JMO. :hidingchair

I disagree extently............it is extremely obvious that Ben cares for her greatly!! If you have an open mind, it would be extremely obvious. IMO

I think the remaining guys care about her a lot at the level they are at with her. i would place Ames above Constantine but it seems Ames will go first. Ben is definitely falling for her. He's just so sweet. She's got two very sweet, but different, guys at the top. The finale is going to be tough to watch.

It seems to me that depending on what side of the fence you stand, the more likely that not all facts or all realistic things into consideration..........meaning, I believe the guys care greatly for her.........the only one I see handling the situation extremely badly is JP.

Just a thought.......I distinctly remember in this episode, that Ashley, herself, said that I'm falling in love with Ben.

Now in Hong Kong......she said, I'm falling for JP.

Surely the things that she says herself cannot be denied, because they actually came out of her mouth. She also said Ben feels like her boyfriend.

cfck2222 wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:Wait! Where is her hand on JP?

It looked to me as if Ashley spent a lot of JP's time talking about his feelings stroking behind the lapel of his coat with one hand and either stroking his arm or leg with her other hand. It seemed like she was really trying to reassure him.

In the cap pattycake92 posted it seems like Ashley's really touched by what Ben F has to say to her but there's a more playful almost flirty look in her eyes with JP. I have no idea what that's supposed to mean but I don't really think that's advantage to either guy? There were other times that she was looking very intently at JP and times she was looking more playfully at Ben F.

I believe the comparrison sc's that Patty chose actually are misleading. If one was to find the actual sc of Ashley listening to Ben pour out his heart, you'd find a very smiling and endearing look on Ash's face.......pretty different, huh??

happyntexas wrote:Just a thought.......I distinctly remember in this episode, that Ashley, herself, said that I'm falling in love with Ben.

Now in Hong Kong......she said, I'm falling for JP.

Surely the things that she says herself cannot be denied, because they actually came out of her mouth. She also said Ben feels like her boyfriend.

Again, one of the reasons why I believe it depends on which side of the fence you sit.........if you sit on JP's side, it is pretty convenient to find fault with Ben and his relationship with Ash.........problem is though, that "fault" probably doesn't actually exist. You are right, in Hong Kong, she did say that she felt that she was falling for JP.........now she says that she already loves Ben. Kinda makes a very impressive statement on it's own. I think Ben took a huge leap forward in the standings and JP took an unbelievable leap backwards in his standings as well. Now if you were to actually compare sc's, you will find one that shows concern on Ash's face when she is talking to JP about his jealousy.......she even asked him if it was a dangerous kind of jealousy...........pretty telling of her concern, IMO.

Coastal wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

northernviewer wrote:JP seems to be the only one really interested in Ashley the person. I bet if Ben and Dino were given the choice of having a 1/1 with Ashley or each other, they'd pick each other. Yep, a real life Lloyd and Harry on a moped, truckin' up the mountain....... hope Dino doesn't have to pee.....

I agree. I think TPTB left JP's jealousy in the edit because, frankly, none of the other guys care and this episode would have been even more boring than it already was. JMO. :hidingchair

I disagree extently............it is extremely obvious that Ben cares for her greatly!! If you have an open mind, it would be extremely obvious. IMO

I think the remaining guys care about her a lot at the level they are at with her. i would place Ames above Constantine but it seems Ames will go first. Ben is definitely falling for her. He's just so sweet. She's got two very sweet, but different, guys at the top. The finale is going to be tough to watch.

It seems to me that depending on what side of the fence you stand, the more likely that not all facts or all realistic things into consideration..........meaning, I believe the guys care greatly for her.........the only one I see handling the situation extremely badly is JP.

Respectfully, I do not agree with this statement. I basically posted my feelings last night at length as to why I think JP handled it the way he did. I didn't judge him, merely explained why I understood how he was feeling and what was going on inside him.

I don't know that I want to restate my comments once more. However, I believe that JP was being real, being himself, struggling like human beings do when they are in a situation which has become extremely difficult for them.

And please, before I am called out for being a JP worshipper and not a Ben fan, I will point out that I have had only good things to say about Ben. JP has been my favorite from the beginning, but I have come to like and admire Ben. He is funny, smart, charming and has a kind of laid back, chill disposition. Although I do think that he has strong emotions underneath that relaxed exterior. I think he's a great guy.

I connect more with JP, see some of myself when I was much younger in him, had this kind of gut feeling or instinct about him immediately. It's not a contest with me. These are two terrific guys and whoever Ashley picks, she will be very lucky.

albean99 wrote:

Babycakee wrote:I read thru this thread before I watched last nights episode and was expecting JP's jealousy to be horrible, but.... when I watched it I didn't quite get what everyone was harping on. IMO, it was almost hardly worth discussing. Hardly jealously, more hurt going on than anything.

Ben is so sweet but I noticed on their date when he was kissing Ash, it was all just little "pecks" and one arm/hand at all times was just hanging to the side or propped up on the bridge... he sure didn't seem totally invested (to me).

I think the clues all pointed to JP. Her "ILY" about Ben seemed just a friendly one. There certainly didn't seem to be any emotion behind it. At this point I name Jordan Paul F1. Of course, being a woman, my opinion is subject to change. :loveflower:

Really? I thought JP came across as a petulant child last night. Apparently he doesn't understand the concept of the show. I can understand not wanting to see Ashley kissing someone but he was so OTT with the F bombs and seething when Ben wasn't back yet.




I guess you didn't see all of Ben & Ashley's kisses. Looks to me like he's got 2 hands on her. I also think it's adorable that Ashley stands on something to kiss Ben. Looks like she wants to get as close as possible. :awesome:

I'm not trying to talk anyone into thinking it's not JP though. We all see things differently which is a good thing. :Nod:

I couldn't agree more about JP acting like a child........good grief. All the guys there as well as any guy and girl that came before him also went through the same pressure cooker.........why is he so special that he is forgiven.......give me a break!!

Nativenewyorker wrote:

Coastal wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

northernviewer wrote:JP seems to be the only one really interested in Ashley the person. I bet if Ben and Dino were given the choice of having a 1/1 with Ashley or each other, they'd pick each other. Yep, a real life Lloyd and Harry on a moped, truckin' up the mountain....... hope Dino doesn't have to pee.....

I agree. I think TPTB left JP's jealousy in the edit because, frankly, none of the other guys care and this episode would have been even more boring than it already was. JMO. :hidingchair

I disagree extently............it is extremely obvious that Ben cares for her greatly!! If you have an open mind, it would be extremely obvious. IMO

I think the remaining guys care about her a lot at the level they are at with her. i would place Ames above Constantine but it seems Ames will go first. Ben is definitely falling for her. He's just so sweet. She's got two very sweet, but different, guys at the top. The finale is going to be tough to watch.

It seems to me that depending on what side of the fence you stand, the more likely that not all facts or all realistic things into consideration..........meaning, I believe the guys care greatly for her.........the only one I see handling the situation extremely badly is JP.

Respectfully, I do not agree with this statement. I basically posted my feelings last night at length as to why I think JP handled it the way he did. I didn't judge him, merely explained why I understood how he was feeling and what was going on inside him.

I don't know that I want to restate my comments once more. However, I believe that JP was being real, being himself, struggling like human beings do when they are in a situation which has become extremely difficult for them.

And please, before I am called out for being a JP worshipper and not a Ben fan, I will point out that I have had only good things to say about Ben. JP has been my favorite from the beginning, but I have come to like and admire Ben. He is funny, smart, charming and has a kind of laid back, chill disposition. Although I do think that he has strong emotions underneath that relaxed exterior. I think he's a great guy.

I connect more with JP, see some of myself when I was much younger in him, had this kind of gut feeling or instinct about him immediately. It's not a contest with me. These are two terrific guys and whoever Ashley picks, she will be very lucky.

I am not a Ben fan either..........I just see their connection just as I see a connection betwen Ash and Constantine/Ames as well. The only difference is I am remaining neutral and therefore can see different things and don't go gaga over JP.......that seems to be a bit of a plague on here lately. IMO

I see absolutely zero nada between her and Dino. Ben has good chemistry with Ash but she did look half asleep or maybe sad when he was talking to her at dinner.

Coastal wrote:

Nativenewyorker wrote:

Coastal wrote:

sjcaligurl wrote:

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

northernviewer wrote:JP seems to be the only one really interested in Ashley the person. I bet if Ben and Dino were given the choice of having a 1/1 with Ashley or each other, they'd pick each other. Yep, a real life Lloyd and Harry on a moped, truckin' up the mountain....... hope Dino doesn't have to pee.....

I agree. I think TPTB left JP's jealousy in the edit because, frankly, none of the other guys care and this episode would have been even more boring than it already was. JMO. :hidingchair

I disagree extently............it is extremely obvious that Ben cares for her greatly!! If you have an open mind, it would be extremely obvious. IMO

I think the remaining guys care about her a lot at the level they are at with her. i would place Ames above Constantine but it seems Ames will go first. Ben is definitely falling for her. He's just so sweet. She's got two very sweet, but different, guys at the top. The finale is going to be tough to watch.

It seems to me that depending on what side of the fence you stand, the more likely that not all facts or all realistic things into consideration..........meaning, I believe the guys care greatly for her.........the only one I see handling the situation extremely badly is JP.

Respectfully, I do not agree with this statement. I basically posted my feelings last night at length as to why I think JP handled it the way he did. I didn't judge him, merely explained why I understood how he was feeling and what was going on inside him.

I don't know that I want to restate my comments once more. However, I believe that JP was being real, being himself, struggling like human beings do when they are in a situation which has become extremely difficult for them.

And please, before I am called out for being a JP worshipper and not a Ben fan, I will point out that I have had only good things to say about Ben. JP has been my favorite from the beginning, but I have come to like and admire Ben. He is funny, smart, charming and has a kind of laid back, chill disposition. Although I do think that he has strong emotions underneath that relaxed exterior. I think he's a great guy.

I connect more with JP, see some of myself when I was much younger in him, had this kind of gut feeling or instinct about him immediately. It's not a contest with me. These are two terrific guys and whoever Ashley picks, she will be very lucky.

I am not a Ben fan either..........I just see their connection just as I see a connection betwen Ash and Constantine/Ames as well. The only difference is I am remaining neutral and therefore can see different things and don't go gaga over JP.......that seems to be a bit of a plague on here lately. IMO

I haven't posted since some time in the wee hours of yesterday morning. I was kind of uncomfortable with the comments about the JP fans, how we are in the majority and making others feel uncomfortable. I also didn't want to read any more comments about JP's behavior in this latest episode. I said what I thought and that was it. JP was attacked weeks ago for being supposedly controlling and possessive. I expressed my feelings about that at the time. I am really not of a mind to defend JP endlessly. I read some comments on another forum that were quite unfortunate and harsh about JP. So then I decided I was done.

I must have missed what happened today, or I guess it would now be yesterday. I haven't caught up on all of the discussion here. What I will say is that when I was sent a pm on FORT inviting me to join this site, I had no way of knowing that people here would like JP the way I did. I have been in the minority in the past. Sometimes that meant not posting very much on FORT, when things got really heated.

I do still think it's JP, however I am keeping an open mind. I have been trying to keep up with all of the latest information. I have not ruled out the possibility that it could be Ben. I know this show too well. Since I like both JP and Ben, there will be no conflict or histrionic reaction from me. I will be happy for whoever Ashley picks and wish them the best. I also know that whoever is F2, will also be fine.

I am just feeling a bit unnerved by the comments about how JP fans are making it difficult for some people here. I have spoken a good deal about what I think about JP, how I feel and why I really like him. Hopefully, that has not been a part of what is making people feel unwelcome or unheard.

Gina wrote:I'd go out with JP in a heartbeat if I didn't already have a great guy. He handled it all with maturity and calmness. Addressed the issues and got rewarded with passionate kisses and a rose. Ashley has said it showed strength and sincerity :D

Sorry, but can you honestly say you didn't see the daggers that JP was shooting in Ben's direction??????????? The looks that JP was giving off ...........seriously ugly looks and that's for sure.