Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - Fan Forum - Updates - Discussion - Thread #11

[Guest]

What do we think....Nick on Bachelor in Paradise next summer?

RS thinks so provided Nick is still single.  I don't know if Nick would do it or not.  Possibly.

Yeah just read RS's column. This is what he said on his website:

"One guy who I definitely think the show will go after hard next season is Nick Viall. If he’s single come next summer, you can bet your ass they would try to get him on “Bachelor in Paradise.” And I bet he would do it as well."

I found BIP really boring, there seemed to be a lot less "hooking" up and just more people just hanging out and pretending to like each other in attempts for a longer vacation. Other than the whole Jesse, Kristy and Lucy situation I thought it was very tame.

I can see them having a LOT better cast next year, as people will now know what the show is all about and there weren't too many people that I thought were thrown under the bus.

just played catching up. Cant help but wonder if someone paid RS to keep BS-ing/ Putting Nick down... . This is the same guy who said with high certainty that Jef would do BIP, Roberto would be the next Bachelor and Chres would breaking-up no less than 6 mo after engaged . I personally would willing to bet my last cash that Nick wont do it if they offer him, for 3 reasons : 1. I highly doubt that he will still be single by that time 2. The premise of this show is too 'trashy' for him, IMO. 3. The Vialls wouldnt be too happy about it. JMO

I wish--and quite sure-- he is going to stay away from the franchise and find the love of his life by his own. For Now, im eager to see who will accompany him on Sam Smith's Sept 20th concert

[MVMom39forever]

^^^Yes, Murasaki, I agree with your three reasons as to why Nick most likely won't do it. Plus I'll add #4 ... he has a career in software sales with a great company so he doesn't need to promote himself or a new business venture or make the $$$ that ABC offered cast members.

That said, I'd be super happy to see him on the show and wonder if JJ and Brian also agreed to go on next season if he'd do it if he was single.

I actually enjoyed BIP and thought that producers were extremely fair with edit. Most of the guys came across great with the exception of the three who said or did stupid stuff ... Kalon, Jessie and Chris B. Zack and Robert said in the AfterBuzz interview that they loved experience and would both do it again. All the other guys came off really well IMO.

[Luvstruck]

In regards to less "hooking" up for a longer vacation by pretending to like each other.... in the bloopers Clare did find someone's panties on the beach. So just because they did not show it to us doesn't mean the hooking up wasn't happening.

[nutty1]

I loved BIP!! I think Nick could go on and come out with a good edit. A lot of the guys did. Nick on my TV?? Oh yea!!!!

[MiaHawk]

Nick's edit was horrible on the Bachelorette. If I was his mom I would beg him never to be associated in any way, shape, or form with the franchise or most of the people associated with this franchise.

[notarose]

Nick's edit was horrible on the Bachelorette. If I was his mom I would beg him never to be associated in any way, shape, or form with the franchise or most of the people associated with this franchise.    

[Kashathediva]

big ditto

[nutty1]

Yea, what was I thinking? I had a momentary lapse of reality!!!

[nutty1]

Nick Viall ‏@viallnicholas28 · 1h
drinking caffeinated coffee today...watch out!!

[stuckinsc]

I loved BiP, but Nick should never trust TPTB again.

Now JJ and Nick for TAR, I would love that!

[bluwavz]

Nick Viall ‏@viallnicholas28
That one time I ran my business backstage with @salesforce1 at AFR #FBF @salesforce

[notarose]

12 SEPTEMBER 2014
The Villain Edit
By Kelly Bedard // TV

"...But all those other people at least flirted with bad behaviour on the show- their edits seemed far less artificial. Nick didn’t in a million years deserve what happened to him on The Bachelorette. I don’t mean getting his heart smashed to a million pieces- no one deserves that but any Bachelorette contestant has to anticipate the possibility- I mean the fact that Nick happened to be in a season of The Bachelorette where almost nothing happened, so the producers threw him under the bus. There were the two minor skirmishes surrounding Andrew (one actually minor and one made minor because Marquel doesn’t do drama) and the Eric confrontation that the producers were forced to play down, but otherwise Andi’s path towards the proposal platform was the smoothest ride I’ve seen maybe ever.

The closest comparison I can think of would be to Emily’s season (one of my least favourites). The whole season seemed to point towards an Emily-Arie happy ending: they hit it off instantly and had chemistry that far outstripped every other relationship on the show; when she was in crisis, she immediately looked for him to comfort her. A dramatic last minute turn sent her into the arms of rich hipster Jef and left her hunky racecar driver heartbroken and confused. In the time between the finale and After the Final Rose, downtrodden Arie went so far as to fly to North Carolina and show up at Emily’s house unannounced. I’d say that’s pretty much the same story as poor Nick, except that Nick and Andi’s connection (at least what we saw of it) was more emotional and intellectual than Emily and Arie’s (the line on Emily’s season was that her head wanted Sean, her heart wanted Jef, and her body wanted Arie though I would argue that her heart wanted Arie at least a little bit too). I think Nick lost a stronger relationship than Arie, and I think he was led on a lot more, but the story was largely the same. Except for two things. 1) Emily chose a guy who got along with Arie and was able to talk to him man-to-man when he showed up in NC; 2) the producers wanted to keep their Bachelor options open so they could choose between Sean and Arie when the time came.

That last thing is the key. Nick is far too reserved and definitely too skeptical to be the new Bachelor, and the producers knew that right away. He’s also not for all markets like Arie or Sean, meaning that to love Nick is a highly specific thing and not a universal reaction that would transfer well through the screen (Chris was the guy like that this season, though I’m still a little disappointed that they didn’t choose Marquel). Even Andi had trouble vocalizing why she was so drawn to Nick (which I loved- it was so intrinsic and personal). And in the rarest ofBachelorette feats, I can recall only one shot wherein Nick was treated by the show like a piece of meat (that slow pan up his torso at the start of the finale; you could feel shortsighted girls all over the country starting to change their minds about him, briefly). And all Bachelors are treated like a piece of meat; it’s in the job description. So Nick had no shot at being the next Bachelor (nor do I think he would ever want to be) and that meant he was fair game for destruction (you’d think his final 2 status would have saved him but Courtney and Vienna both won their seasons as the resident villain).

So even though Arie had done the Exact same thing, when Nick tried to contact Andi after the season, it was spun as stalkerish (from what I can tell, he merely called Chris Harrison to ask if he could speak to Andi and she happened to be on vacation at the time; the way it was presented and repeated during the live finale it seemed as though he had followed her to Mexico!); when the other guys (notably guys Twitter reveals to be his pretty close friends) got drunk and picked an incoherent fight with him, it was given a disproportionate amount of promotion and screentime. If Nick wasn’t getting a Villain’s Edit, that awkward scene would have likely been a negative spin on one of the other guys for being drunk and belligerent, or it would have been played for laughs.

I fully acknowledge my bias; Nick is my kind of person. I find his soft-spoken intellectual thing engaging. I like his intensity and don’t mind that he’s occasionally “salty” (at least he doesn’t randomly start yelling when someone tries to give him a lie detector test, Josh!). I actually like his scarves. I’m more than willing to throw a little extra empathy his way because he often chooses the wrong words or struggles fitting in. But I honestly believe that I could have seen through the shady edit even if he wasn’t my kind of person. And I honestly think it would have bothered me just as much (Evidence: I’m inclined to believe JJ but I’m still uncomfortable with Andrew being indicted for racism on shifty evidence. Though I actually think Andrew was given a fairly generous edit, especially considering how much time he was given to explain himself during Men Tell All, a courtesy JJ did not receive). I find it genuinely troubling how willing most people seem to be to take the cues of careful editing and ominous music. Editors can remove endearing comments and place ambiguous comments into incriminating contexts and include awkward shots of someone standing off by themselves, but they can’t fabricate chemistry and they can’t put words in people’s mouths and they can’t change the look in someone’s eye. I wonder how the people who think Nick is creepy were watching the same show as I was.

Over the course of the full season (and, yes, even that painful After the Final Rose), Nick didn’t say or do a single thing that I didn’t completely understand. He did and said some things that were unadvisable, but nothing that didn’t come from a clearly well-intentioned place. That “make love with me” comment, for example- you know, the one that everyone is using as the final nail in the poor guy’s coffin- I have so many feelings about that, and none of them are outrage. I don’t give a flying fig that he talked about their sex life on national TV (can we please all just get over the fact that we know Exactly what goes on in the fantasy suite? He didn’t reveal anything we didn’t already know) and the reason I don’t care comes down to the simple fact that Andi refused to talk to him before After the Final Rose. He kept trying and she kept putting it off. Chris Harrison seemed to imply that Andi felt the live special would be a more “appropriate time”. Okay, sure, I understand wanting Harrison there to mediate (seems a little extreme but whatever) but Nick just wanted to talk to this girl he thought loved him (don’t you dare try to tell me he didn’t have fair reason to believe that) and the only chance he was given was on live TV. Explain to me, then, why we’re supposed to be so offended that he aired their dirty laundry on live TV; it was live or never, and he clearly couldn’t live with never.

Nick Viall came into The Bachelorette more skeptical than anyone I’ve ever seen on the show. He didn’t want to open up, he didn’t want to fall in love, he didn’t want to be embarrassed or exposed or hurt. But at a certain point in his clearly very real relationship with Andi, he had to either jump in or get out. In Jillian’s season of The Bachelorette, my favourite contestant Reid reached the exact same point- expose himself to heartbreak or let his self-preservational instincts do their job. Reid chose the latter and, instantly regretting it, came back to propose in the finale only to find that he’d lost Jillian forever. Jillian ended up getting her heart broken by the man who got her final rose (the aforementioned Ed) and you get the sense that if Reid had just given in, declared his love when she needed him to, she would have chosen him and they might have been happy. No one wants to be Reid. Nobody wants to be that guy who wasn’t brave enough to let love in, even if it might go badly (or embarrass him on national TV). So Nick let down his guard (the guard that’s likely been built up in response to being a little bit different all his life) and Nick got smashed. The editors slaughtered him when he didn’t even give them all that much material with which to do it (until After the Final Rose, at least). What’s worse is that it was completely unnecessary. Bachelorette fans don’t need crazy amounts of drama, they just want to watch someone fall in love. At least when the editors made the impossibly cruel decision to stage Clare’s Bachelor in Paradise meltdown as if it was directed at a racoon (instead of the producer she was clearly talking to), it was funny. Mean, but funny. But what they did to Nick was just plain mean. They knew the outcome before they even started editing; they knew he was about to get his heart broken even after he’d done all he could to protect it. And they slaughtered him anyway, seemingly for the fun of it.

After the season ended, Nick took to his twitter account and addressed the finale with this: “Congratulations to@AndiDorfman and @jmurbulldog on their engagement. Wishing you both incredible happiness.#TheBachelorette #Bachelorette“. In interviews he’s talked about how Josh is a good guy who will treat Andi well. In interviews, Josh has called Nick classless then stated that he “never really cared for him” and “couldn’t care less about him”. Nick has stayed friends with his fellow contestants and gone back to his real life in Chicago, hopefully never to return to the unwelcoming hell that is reality TV unless it’s to air his wedding to soulmate Sharleen Joynt (the amazing contestant from Juan Pablo’s season who was similarly polarizing and thus remained Nick’s only really visible staunch supporter throughout the entire season. Thank god for Sharleen). The treatment of Nick by the Bachelorette producers was so off-putting that it has me reexamining the reality TV landscape and what it does to its human “characters”. The fact that I am apparently alone in this backlash might be the most upsetting thing."

http://www.myentertainmentworld.ca/2014/09/villain-edit/


I have copied a major portion of the article in the post.  The entire article is worth reading so pls do check out the link. I decided to not copy the beginning section due to length - the author does feel Eric Hill would have been villianized as well as she states in an early section.
 
" The treatment of Nick by the Bachelorette producers was so off-putting that it has me reexamining the reality TV landscape and what it does to its human “characters".    exceptionally well thought out humanistic article.

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