Episode 7 - 7/11 - Discussion - Spoilers

JBF wrote:

JBanana wrote:

jelle wrote:The crab lamp was at the Rosenbaum's house ????? :missclap: No wonder we couldnt find it

shucks, I guess that hour and a half I spent today looking at fiji resort rooms really was a waste of time, then.

You all saw it? I must have missed it.

Someone else said they saw that darn lamp ..... I just watched ..... I didnt see the lamp ..... anyone else see it?

One thing is for sure, if JP had been on that overnight date, they would not have used two rooms.

I don't see much chemistry with Ben, not like that hot, can't keep their hands off each other like she has with JP.

I don't see it as a jealous edit. LOL! He thinks she's the one and he feels like he's watching his wife date and kiss other guys. It doesn't make sense and he knows it and he also knows that it's almost over but there's a chance that someone else may take his place. He seemed really glad to see Lucas gone for some reason. Perhaps he thought he was his biggest threat. He's the only one wearing his heart on his sleeve so he has no idea how close the other guys are or aren't to her. Gentle, quiet Ben is the one giving him the run for his money.

albean99 wrote:

jojo47 wrote:Nutty & Albean ~ you always look for the clues with Ben and I just rewatched the dinner portion of their date. I noticed when Ben is talking to her at the table, his lips are covered in her lip gloss.

Really? I'll have to check that out tomorrow. Thanks, Jojo.

If Ben ends up being the f1, I think Ashley saying "I love Ben" in the beginning of the show was it. There's always stuff to point to JP but I'm not so sure about the wedding photos. That went badly and wouldn't bode well if it was the clue.

They really threw the jealousy edit at JP tonight and it was pretty bad. It was way beyond what I expected if he's the f1. Maybe that's supposed to be the doubt but Ashley asking his questions about whether it was anger or asking if he directed it at anyone was a bit eye opening. That's not what would come to mind usually when you're talking to someone you're supposed to be falling for.

Ames was fun to watch as usual. Can't wait to see his family. Ben is really falling for Ashley and you can really tell when he's talking to his mom and after in the PI where he wipes away tears. I'm hoping he's fine no matter what ended up happening. He's such a sweet guy.

I hope he is fine too. It was hard watching Ryan's leaving. I will be a basket case if Ben leaves upset.

jelle wrote:

JBF wrote:

JBanana wrote:

jelle wrote:The crab lamp was at the Rosenbaum's house ????? :missclap: No wonder we couldnt find it

shucks, I guess that hour and a half I spent today looking at fiji resort rooms really was a waste of time, then.

You all saw it? I must have missed it.

Someone else said they saw that darn lamp ..... I just watched ..... I didnt see the lamp ..... anyone else see it?

Jelle...it wasn't the lamp. It was JP's clothes and hair that were the same as the PI with the lamp! I was slo-moing that preview to death until Kasha posted it wasn't the lamp.

pavalygurl wrote:

kdubs_ca wrote:Comments from my 18-year-old son:
When Ben went for his date, "Wait! She's going on another date with him?"
At the wedding photo shoot, "Mom, the one you like is kind of a baby."

I don't know guys, I totally see it with JP, but I have such Chris - Ali, Chantal - Brad deja vu right now!

This is how JP came across to me. Not a guy so in love, but really like a 15 year old who cannot handle what he doesn't like. No charm, grace or consideration of what Ash might be going through to have these dates. He had to have the regular tux, not to foreshadow any RC wedding, but beause his ego/ lack of humor could not handle wearing one of the other outfits. Ash may indeed pick him but whoa! is all I can say.

How telling is it that she had to ask him if he was taking it out on anyone? This could be a foreshadowing of their future. Today all is rosy and she is his cupcake. What happens when that changes and he is impatient, easily frustrated etc. Sounds to me like he could be a bit of a PITA

Can we please remember that all the tabs have on him as of now is that he is "flirtatious" by an unnamed source and that TWO of his exes have come forward to speak on his behalf that he is in fact a good guy... not to mention close friends. I have never heard ANY "source" claim that he is unstable.

pavalygurl wrote:

albean99 wrote:

jojo47 wrote:Nutty & Albean ~ you always look for the clues with Ben and I just rewatched the dinner portion of their date. I noticed when Ben is talking to her at the table, his lips are covered in her lip gloss.

Really? I'll have to check that out tomorrow. Thanks, Jojo.

If Ben ends up being the f1, I think Ashley saying "I love Ben" in the beginning of the show was it. There's always stuff to point to JP but I'm not so sure about the wedding photos. That went badly and wouldn't bode well if it was the clue.

They really threw the jealousy edit at JP tonight and it was pretty bad. It was way beyond what I expected if he's the f1. Maybe that's supposed to be the doubt but Ashley asking his questions about whether it was anger or asking if he directed it at anyone was a bit eye opening. That's not what would come to mind usually when you're talking to someone you're supposed to be falling for.

Ames was fun to watch as usual. Can't wait to see his family. Ben is really falling for Ashley and you can really tell when he's talking to his mom and after in the PI where he wipes away tears. I'm hoping he's fine no matter what ended up happening. He's such a sweet guy.

I hope he is fine too. It was hard watching Ryan's leaving. I will be a basket case if Ben leaves upset.

The FRC is going to be pretty bad ... really, really bad. The problem is that Ben looks perpetually sad. The way he was looking at her tonight was just precious. He has such a soulful way of gazing at her and I wasn't sure if she was picking up on it. I need him to step up the affection, though, since Ashley clearly is looking for a certain level of passion. I didn't see much more than I did any other time. He's waaay too passive and I don't know if that's his normal way or just that he's so disarmed by her. I still think he's coming out of a deep depression or something but it seems that this experience is really helping him a lot. He's got to let go a little more, though. Perhaps after he talks to his family and has time to miss Ashley for a little while.

noobsleuth wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

kdubs_ca wrote:Comments from my 18-year-old son:
When Ben went for his date, "Wait! She's going on another date with him?"
At the wedding photo shoot, "Mom, the one you like is kind of a baby."

I don't know guys, I totally see it with JP, but I have such Chris - Ali, Chantal - Brad deja vu right now!

This is how JP came across to me. Not a guy so in love, but really like a 15 year old who cannot handle what he doesn't like. No charm, grace or consideration of what Ash might be going through to have these dates. He had to have the regular tux, not to foreshadow any RC wedding, but beause his ego/ lack of humor could not handle wearing one of the other outfits. Ash may indeed pick him but whoa! is all I can say.

How telling is it that she had to ask him if he was taking it out on anyone? This could be a foreshadowing of their future. Today all is rosy and she is his cupcake. What happens when that changes and he is impatient, easily frustrated etc. Sounds to me like he could be a bit of a PITA

Can we please remember that all the tabs have on him as of now is that he is "flirtatious" by an unnamed source and that TWO of his exes have come forward to speak on his behalf that he is in fact a good guy... not to mention close friends. I have never heard ANY "source" claim that he is unstable.

Thank you, nothing that we've seen indicates to me that Ashley is ever going to be anything other than his cupcake unless she's the one to decide she's done being a delicious snack/dessert and wants to be his whatever else. :P

noobsleuth wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

kdubs_ca wrote:Comments from my 18-year-old son:
When Ben went for his date, "Wait! She's going on another date with him?"
At the wedding photo shoot, "Mom, the one you like is kind of a baby."

I don't know guys, I totally see it with JP, but I have such Chris - Ali, Chantal - Brad deja vu right now!

This is how JP came across to me. Not a guy so in love, but really like a 15 year old who cannot handle what he doesn't like. No charm, grace or consideration of what Ash might be going through to have these dates. He had to have the regular tux, not to foreshadow any RC wedding, but beause his ego/ lack of humor could not handle wearing one of the other outfits. Ash may indeed pick him but whoa! is all I can say.

How telling is it that she had to ask him if he was taking it out on anyone? This could be a foreshadowing of their future. Today all is rosy and she is his cupcake. What happens when that changes and he is impatient, easily frustrated etc. Sounds to me like he could be a bit of a PITA

Can we please remember that all the tabs have on him as of now is that he is "flirtatious" by an unnamed source and that TWO of his exes have come forward to speak on his behalf that he is in fact a good guy... not to mention close friends. I have never heard ANY "source" claim that he is unstable.

didn't say unstable...said PITA

IMO anyone who can feel as intensely as JP was portrayed and then be able to directly confont those feelings with his partner in a calm intospective way, doesnt have a problem.

If he slammed around the apartment, insulted the guys, then refused to acknowledge or talk about it to anyone - that is a poblem.

Beeleever wrote:I think JP's vblog totally set-up what we would see in how he was feeling in tonight's episode.

First he defended Ashley's insecurities and then admitted that he had insecurities as well. JP asked us to remember the tremendous pressure they are all going through when we are judging what we are seeing. He also said unless you have been through it, you have no idea what it's like.

I'm going to give both JP and Ashley the benefit of the doubt because I can't imagine what it is like to walk in their shoes.

beeeee! *tacklehugs* i just posted the same thing on JP's thread about his VBlog!

same thoughts as yours! JP defending Ashley's insecurities in his VBlog and it seemed (for me!) it was Ashley defending JP in tonight's episode

pavalygurl wrote:

noobsleuth wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

kdubs_ca wrote:Comments from my 18-year-old son:
When Ben went for his date, "Wait! She's going on another date with him?"
At the wedding photo shoot, "Mom, the one you like is kind of a baby."

I don't know guys, I totally see it with JP, but I have such Chris - Ali, Chantal - Brad deja vu right now!

This is how JP came across to me. Not a guy so in love, but really like a 15 year old who cannot handle what he doesn't like. No charm, grace or consideration of what Ash might be going through to have these dates. He had to have the regular tux, not to foreshadow any RC wedding, but beause his ego/ lack of humor could not handle wearing one of the other outfits. Ash may indeed pick him but whoa! is all I can say.

How telling is it that she had to ask him if he was taking it out on anyone? This could be a foreshadowing of their future. Today all is rosy and she is his cupcake. What happens when that changes and he is impatient, easily frustrated etc. Sounds to me like he could be a bit of a PITA

Can we please remember that all the tabs have on him as of now is that he is "flirtatious" by an unnamed source and that TWO of his exes have come forward to speak on his behalf that he is in fact a good guy... not to mention close friends. I have never heard ANY "source" claim that he is unstable.

didn't say unstable...said PITA

sorry and I apologize for that... It's literally blowing my mind that exes are defending him instead of selling out some nasty story to a tabloid is all. They have nothing on him that's legit... reminds me of Roberto. :awesome: