Re: The Bachelorette 10 - Videos- Youtube - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #2

[SueSt]

So, Andi says in an interview that she wants to shout it from the rooftops.  Then Nick tweets that he is listening to Tears for Fears "Shout" - yep, she picks Nick.  It is so obvious to me, I can't figure out why everyone else can't see it either!  No way did she pick Josh.  Her everything lights up around Nick, everything.  Plus, the mental connection - that is the most important thing in a relationship, and she has passion and love with him.  She picks Nick.

Hi KarmaGirl,
Shouting back at you - YES.   
I also see the intense connection between N&A ... he's terrified and she's never felt this way before.... a transformative love - it brings you in and literally changes your world forever.
Keep preachin girl!!   

[Guest]

So, Andi says in an interview that she wants to shout it from the rooftops.  Then Nick tweets that he is listening to Tears for Fears "Shout" - yep, she picks Nick.  It is so obvious to me, I can't figure out why everyone else can't see it either!  No way did she pick Josh.  Her everything lights up around Nick, everything.  Plus, the mental connection - that is the most important thing in a relationship, and she has passion and love with him.  She picks Nick.

Just make a little space somewhere for the possibility that she might pick Josh so that you won't be too shocked when she does.  

Bringing this over from the unspoiled side. Thought it was interesting, re: Nick's tweet.

I’ve backread all your wonderful episode 9 analysis!    *slowclap*

Are we mental telepathy-ing or what?! Way to go, #TeamIdiot! (not! Haha)

And yes, my beloved friend, GG! This is a certified JoDi believer! WW no more! *tapsheart*

I made a career on “studying” SM for “clues” during Jash time and the last one was SeanCat’s. SeanCat’s was a tough one because Cat din’t really have an Ashley Spivey who tweets and blogs. Lesley M was tightlipped as she is part of Sean’s season. Though for me, Sean’s twitter header was a “give-away”! Cat totally made that twitter header! haha Sigh, fun times!

The very first thing I did when we had electricity was check on Bachelornation’s SM and their “favorites”. Obsessive much?! I told y’all, “Career!” (used as a verb!)

Jillian, Cat and Des said they are Team Josh. Do they know something or is it just personal preference? I dunno. One thing for sure, it is so obvious that the whole bachelornation are all rooting for Chris S. as the next bachelor! As in!  

Plus I really cannot shake the feeling how Andi’s Ashley Spivey is so mean to Nick! The real Ashley Spivey was snarky at Ben F. but Andi’s BFF is downright mean. It’s not even funny. Methinks, if Nick is F1, BFF’s tweets can be a foiler, right? Snarky tweets would be a perfect decoy BUT mean tweets? Nah! I really believe BFF is a huge indicator who Andi chose. Of course, IMO.  

So, I checked on the timeline of everyone (those I think who are meaningful)

and what did Nick just tweet?!!?!!

little bit of 80's with some funk! Tears for Fears - Shout (Avenue Remix) on @hypem mobile http://hypem.com/track/21n3x - @viallnicholas28

My knee jerk reaction was “YAY! I LOVE YOU, NICK! I SUPER LOVE TEARS FOR FEARS!” then at the same breath I realized, wait..

Is this tweet sorta a cryptic message to Andi?  

Ok, hear me out! My “theory” is not one bit favoring Nick as F1. This tweet may be nothing HOWEVER, the lyrics seemed to be a shout out. Because Shout is not a love song. In fact, the lyrics show how bitter he is   

a lil background. Y’all have to understand, Tears for Fears is like Beatles for the 80s generation in the Philippines. And Nick is how old? Anyway, when they went here for a concert, it was jam-packed! SRO, from wall to wall in Araneta Coliseum that can sit around 10,000++ people. “Shout” and “Everybody Rules The World” are like two of their well-loved songs. Like a National Anthem of sorts! We know the lyrics by heart. Check out my concert video when they were here in Manila 2012.


*chapark is my pseudonym  


When Tears for Fears sang “Shout”. Everyone went berserk, sang/danced and “partied” like crazy!

Sing along with my video with the following lyrics.

Observe how the chorus, “I’m talking to you” is repeated. As if a mantra.  

Shout, shout, let it all out
These are the things I can do without
Come on, I'm talking to you come on (2x)

In violent times, you shouldn't have to sell your soul
In black and white, they really really ought to know
Those one track minds that took you for a working boy
Kiss them goodbye, you shouldn't have to jump for joy
You shouldn't have to jump for joy

Shout, shout, let it all out
These are the things I can do without
Come on, I'm talking to you, come on

They gave you life, and in return you gave them hell
As cold as ice, I hope we live to tell the tale
I hope we live to tell the tale

Shout, shout, let it all out
These are the things I can do without
Come on, I'm talking to you, come on (3x)

And around 3:50,

And when you've taken down your guard
If I could change your mind,
I'd really love to break your heart
I'd really love to break your heart  :broken heart: 
Shout, shout, let it all out (break your heart)
These are the things I can do without  (I'd really love to break your heart)
Come on, I'm talking to you come on


Doesn’t it seemed like a shoutout to Andi?    

[Longhornfan]

Sarah, all this breaking news with the articles about Nick trying to contact Andi in an attempt to change her mind has my head spinning.  In the Hollywood Reporter, it even says that Nick got rejected a second time and (according to the article) is just angry now.  Thus, the "I'd really love to break your heart" verse plays right into what HR is now reporting.

All of this breaking news hitting the stands just seems rather suspect to me.  Even if Nick is the F2, I highly doubt that he is wanting to perpetuate the villain edit given to him this season by posting things that paint him as bitter and vindictive two months after the fact.

If that is true that Nick did actually try to change Andi's mind after he was eliminated, then who was the insider with that information that leaked it to the rag mags?  I would say certainly not Nick or anyone in his camp - too humiliating and embarrassing.  Nick even told Andi that he felt embarrassed when the woman he was engaged to was the one that broke it off.

Certainly not Andi or anyone in her camp would want that leaked two weeks before the FRC.  That article accused Andi of not telling her fiance, Josh, about this, and it basically screamed that Josh is the one she picked at the end.

So, that only leaves the producers to have been behind that leak.  If it is true, then they just threw Nick under the bus one last time.  And I have to ask why would Nick help the producers throw him under the bus by giving them any ammunition like posting on twitter that verse that you highlighted?  What does Nick have to gain from doing that, two months down the road?  Or are we just reading more into that verse than what was intended?

I give Nick way more credit than that.  I am having difficulty believing that - if he was manipulated into going after Andi - Nick would willingly go along with this and help the producers run him over with the bus one more time.  Like I said, no one but the producers benefit from this breaking news being leaked two weeks before the FRC, especially since they have done everything but out and out say that Josh was Andi's chosen one.

[sdmom]

I really hope this show can get over soon so Nick can get back to his life. I can't help but feel sorry for him. He's been painted a villain in the show, some people think his tweets are dig at Andi/Josh, many people bash him in SM. But what did he really do to deserve all these? As his mother posted, it's heart breaking for her to see Nick was being painted as someone he's not through music and editing. If Nick and family are reading this board, take heart, you have a group of fans cheering for you, wishing nothing but best for you!

[SueSt]

Sarah, all this breaking news with the articles about Nick trying to contact Andi in an attempt to change her mind has my head spinning.  In the Hollywood Reporter, it even says that Nick got rejected a second time and (according to the article) is just angry now.  Thus, the "I'd really love to break your heart" verse plays right into what HR is now reporting.

All of this breaking news hitting the stands just seems rather suspect to me.  Even if Nick is the F2, I highly doubt that he is wanting to perpetuate the villain edit given to him this season by posting things that paint him as bitter and vindictive two months after the fact.

If that is true that Nick did actually try to change Andi's mind after he was eliminated, then who was the insider with that information that leaked it to the rag mags?  I would say certainly not Nick or anyone in his camp - too humiliating and embarrassing.  Nick even told Andi that he felt embarrassed when the woman he was engaged to was the one that broke it off.

Certainly not Andi or anyone in her camp would want that leaked two weeks before the FRC.  That article accused Andi of not telling her fiance, Josh, about this, and it basically screamed that Josh is the one she picked at the end.

So, that only leaves the producers to have been behind that leak.  If it is true, then they just threw Nick under the bus one last time.  And I have to ask why would Nick help the producers throw him under the bus by giving them any ammunition like posting on twitter that verse that you highlighted?  What does Nick have to gain from doing that, two months down the road?  Or are we just reading more into that verse than what was intended?

I give Nick way more credit than that.  I am having difficulty believing that - if he was manipulated into going after Andi - Nick would willingly go along with this and help the producers run him over with the bus one more time.  Like I said, no one but the producers benefit from this breaking news being leaked two weeks before the FRC, especially since they have done everything but out and out say that Josh was Andi's chosen one.

Longhorn, this is an awesome post. So well thought out and supported. Thanks!  
Just one other possibility FWIW: others have suggested that Nick’s tweet was in response to Andi saying recently that she wants to shout the show results from a mountain top….

[stuckinsc]

I am not good with the quoting but Sue, sdmom and Longhorngal.  I agree with all of you.  Mura has pointed out that US who started all of this had Brooks and Drew both proposing to Des as her final two.  Didn't they also have Andi pregnant a couple of times ago.

So nope, I don't believe that Nick crawled back to Andi, I also don't see his SM as slights or digs to Josh and Andi.  If I am wrong post AFTR, I will happily admit it.

I can see Nick calling Andi to apologize for the video if it is real.  He was venting his feelings to a friend or family.  If it is real I don't think he intended for anyone to hear it and I would appreciate again if it is real if he called and apologized about it.

I also give Andi more credit that if she did pick Josh, she isn't going to break his trust by not telling her if Nick had approached or called her.

Plus, didn't this article state FRC was May 8th and we have figured out it was May 9th.

Sounds like the facts aren't straight.

I get how those who don't like Nick will believe this, and that is their right.

I just give all three of the F3 more credit than to believe this or that the entirty of the L&S story were true.  They are all sensible adults.  I don't believe this immature behavior of any of them.  Again, if I am wrong, I will be happy to admit it.

If a Viall family friend is reading here, please tell the Viall lots of us love their son and see the great man that Mr and Mrs Viall raised and we don't believe the edit or the crap.

[rosesrREd]

Honestly, maybe he just likes the song "Shout", everything does not have to be a clue. Nick has told all his supporters to "not to hate." So, I seriously do not think it was a dig at Andi and Josh, especially because we don't even know if they are together.

[isittrue]

Honestly, maybe he just likes the song "Shout", everything does not have to be a clue.  Nick has told all his supporters to "not to hate."  So, I seriously do not think it was a dig at Andi and Josh, especially because we don't even know if they are together.  

Exactly! I miss the days when there was no SM - made this show so much more fun when we just sleuthed screencaps and media interviews by the lead to figure out who F1 was...

[pander3575]

Honestly, maybe he just likes the song "Shout", everything does not have to be a clue.  Nick has told all his supporters to "not to hate."  So, I seriously do not think it was a dig at Andi and Josh, especially because we don't even know if they are together.  

Exactly!  I miss the days when there was no SM - made this show so much more fun when we just sleuthed screencaps and media interviews by the lead to figure out who F1 was...

I'm sure the unspoiled people would love some more company. I've found it very interesting how they've managed to remain unspoiled and how they've come to their conclusions. I'd go that route except I'm too nosey i.e. reading endings of books first.   

[Longhornfan]

Honestly, maybe he just likes the song "Shout", everything does not have to be a clue.  Nick has told all his supporters to "not to hate."  So, I seriously do not think it was a dig at Andi and Josh, especially because we don't even know if they are together.  

Exactly!!! It is getting really tough to be a Nick fan about now. I am literally having to skip over a lot of the posts and picking and choosing whether or not to even post anything right now. July 28th can't get here fast enough for me.

[sdmom]

Honestly, maybe he just likes the song "Shout", everything does not have to be a clue.  Nick has told all his supporters to "not to hate."  So, I seriously do not think it was a dig at Andi and Josh, especially because we don't even know if they are together.  

Exactly!  I miss the days when there was no SM - made this show so much more fun when we just sleuthed screencaps and media interviews by the lead to figure out who F1 was...

I agree about the sleuthing part, but, I also love to read SM because they give me a glimpse of the contestant's personality.
My fave tweet "sometimes my humor is dryer than a desert"

[stuckinsc]

Honestly, maybe he just likes the song "Shout", everything does not have to be a clue.  Nick has told all his supporters to "not to hate."  So, I seriously do not think it was a dig at Andi and Josh, especially because we don't even know if they are together.  

Hubby loves Tears for Fears and he plays this song repeatedly on every road trip.  I have gotten to the point of bringing my own iPod as I am shouted out!

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