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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2
I am sorry u got spoiled! It's so hard these days
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2
MVMOM,
My theory was Elan airplane hoax 2 but I have no proof.
Very concisely presented.
I maintain my right to a 1% chance that I am correct.
My theory was Elan airplane hoax 2 but I have no proof.
Very concisely presented.
I maintain my right to a 1% chance that I am correct.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2
MVMom39forever wrote:I tried to stay spoiler free until at least F4 but once again I got spoiled on YouTube when I googled Nick Viall and found the RS videos of Nick on plane. As I've said on non spoiler threads, Nick is my current favorite but I am unbiased and completely saw connection with Josh as well. I am anxious to see their 1-on-1 in ep 5.
With all that said, I have a very hard time believing that the airplane videos are the real thing. I've got questions and if these may have already been discussed, please point me to answers ...
1. Hello, ABC ... Why are the videos still on YouTube? You'd think that ABC lawyers would demand to pull them off. Shoot, it says they were posted on May 19th and RS has been boasting about them. You'd think that someone either in ABC's camp or in Nick's camp would ask to have them taken down since they are clearly in violation of Nick's contract.
2. Random passenger (!?!?) ... If the videos were indeed taken on May 11th by random stranger/passenger, how would Nick have been recognized and how would said random passenger think that his phone call was worthy of videotaping? I am LONG time fan of show who actually studied the guys on the ABC web site prior to opening night and was still confused when Nick was given the FIR. Who on earth would have recognized him?
3. Nick's confidentiality clause ... does this exist anymore? What happened to contestants and in particular F4 having some confidentiality clause where he is not supposed to tell anyone the show's outcome? We all know that finalists do end up telling close family and friends but gosh, have to think that they wouldn't be blabbing about experience on packed plane when there is million dollars at stake should the outcome get out.
4. Nick Knows Contracts ... With every deal Nick closes as an Account Executive at software firm, lawyers are involved and a contract is signed. That's just how big software deals work. Since Nick works in the world of deals & contracts, I just have to believe that he knows his contract and wouldn't be so willy nilly in breaking it and ESPECIALLY by being such a chatty-cathy phone call that could result in him get sued.
5. Timing ... back to random passenger who just so happened to video tape ... if I was some random passenger who put two and two together that there was some guy sitting in front of me blabbing about being rejected on the Bachelorette and therefore decided to videotape the call and take photos to prove it was him ... I wouldn't ON THE SAME DAY think, "Hmmm I am going to send this to that Reality Steve for him to spoil the show." That's just WAY too coincidental and way TOO fast for Steve get his grimy hands on evidence.
6. Money .... In addition to strangeness of timing, the other thing that gets me is what's in it for the passenger doing the taping? The vast majority of people (in the tiny minority of people who would even put two and two together to videotape Nick's call) would think ... what kind of $$ money $$ can I get from selling this audio? Should I contact ABC? Should I contact TMZ? Should I contact US, Enquirer or InTouch? Should I contact one of the entertainment shows? Should I contact a lawyer to see how much I can make off this? I know that Reality Steve pays for evidence but surely some of the bigger players would have paid bigger bucks and the person who took the video would have shopped for best deal. At least I sure would have!
7. Sound quality ... The sound is pretty darn good, considering the random noise happening on the plane and that Nick is sitting in the row ahead of the videographer. Nick must have really been speaking loudly ... for a guy who seems somewhat reserved on the show ... hmmm ...
8. Knowledge of Jason/Molly ... And, finally, does anyone really think that Nick keeps up with other couples from this franchise? Even RS called Nick a "virgin" in his knowledge of how the Bachelor/ette works so why on earth would Nick know what other finalists have done? Sure, maybe his handler shared this with him to give him hope (pump him up for the ATFR) but it just did not ring true.
My initial guess: the airplane videographer is someone connected with the show who sat behind him and audiotaped this call. He then immediately sent the footage to Reality Steve so he could one again falsely and with all of his annoying bravado spoil Andi's season.
After the big set up of Des & Brooks' spoiler last season, I bet that ABC knew they had to up the ante and what better way to do so than via a staged videotaping so that RS could have tangible proof. RS could be in on this as I have always thought that RS is somehow in cahoots with Fleiss and this way RS could save face by pointing his finger at the video proof.
Or ... I could be totally wrong and Nick isn't as smart as I thought. Good luck with that lawsuit to Nick and good luck to Josh and Andi.
Either way, I think the video creates more questions than provides any answers.
1. ABC et al have no legal recourse on that video. Nick was not in filming for the show, and was in a public place. Nick has no legal recourse because he became a public figure the moment he signed up for the show.
2. Sheer luck that someone who had been following the spoilers was seated near him. Odds aren't good but also are not impossible. Makes sense that this is the first time something like this has been captured, and it will probably be a very long time before it happens again. The person who shot the video probably was not sure if she had anything at all, but it isn't difficult to press record and you might as well just in case.
3. The confidentiality clause has been stretched more and more the longer the show goes on. Pretty much everyone tells their friends and family, and as long as those people stay tight lipped, it really doesn't matter. Nick got very unlucky that someone who had followed spoilers recognized him. The odds were definitely against it, so he probably didn't see much risk. I don't think he ever mentions Andi by name, so he was being at least a little careful.
4. I think he saw little to no risk.
5. Lots of people who read Steve's website instantly send him whatever they find. That is where most of his information comes from.
6. Why do our sleuthers here sleuth? For the fun of winning the game. There doesn't have to be money. Although, if the youtube is viewed often enough, there could be some money involved.
7. The passenger was extremely close. And parts definitely are inaudible.
8. The men in the house had hours and hours to talk that was never put on camera. One thing they do is talk about past shows. He only knew the basics; he didn't seem to remember their names, which makes sense to me.
But, reasonable minds can differ.
JHMO
Just give me something that looks like a real love story to help me escape into my own version of fantasy for a while. And maybe against the odds one of those stories will actually survive real life. Nothing wrong with a little hope, right?
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2
notarose wrote:MVMOM,
My theory was Elan airplane hoax 2 but I have no proof.
Very concisely presented.
I maintain my right to a 1% chance that I am correct.
We will have to give the producers HUGE crops if you are. That would have been a doozy to pull off. And I will laugh at myself for falling for it, fair enough?
Just give me something that looks like a real love story to help me escape into my own version of fantasy for a while. And maybe against the odds one of those stories will actually survive real life. Nothing wrong with a little hope, right?
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2
dw_a_mom wrote:notarose wrote:MVMOM,
My theory was Elan airplane hoax 2 but I have no proof.
Very concisely presented.
I maintain my right to a 1% chance that I am correct.
We will have to give the producers HUGE crops if you are. That would have been a doozy to pull off. And I will laugh at myself for falling for it, fair enough?
It was simple to pull off. If a random passenger can do it, why not a random producer
1%
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2
Hi MVMom, so sorry you got spoiled again . i love reading your thoughts on non-spoiler thread!..oh well..
JFYI FWIW i stand by my opinion that Nick is the actual F1 just as Chris last year. still working on laying out my reasonings . need to see first whether there will be any 'boomerang' after Andi's 1-1 w Josh
as always, love hearing your thoughts. pls keep em coming
JFYI FWIW i stand by my opinion that Nick is the actual F1 just as Chris last year. still working on laying out my reasonings . need to see first whether there will be any 'boomerang' after Andi's 1-1 w Josh
as always, love hearing your thoughts. pls keep em coming
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2
MVMom39forever wrote:I tried to stay spoiler free until at least F4 but once again I got spoiled on YouTube when I googled Nick Viall and found the RS videos of Nick on plane. As I've said on non spoiler threads, Nick is my current favorite but I am unbiased and completely saw connection with Josh as well. I am anxious to see their 1-on-1 in ep 5.
With all that said, I have a very hard time believing that the airplane videos are the real thing. I've got questions and if these may have already been discussed, please point me to answers ...
1. Hello, ABC ... Why are the videos still on YouTube? You'd think that ABC lawyers would demand to pull them off. Shoot, it says they were posted on May 19th and RS has been boasting about them. You'd think that someone either in ABC's camp or in Nick's camp would ask to have them taken down since they are clearly in violation of Nick's contract.
2. Random passenger (!?!?) ... If the videos were indeed taken on May 11th by random stranger/passenger, how would Nick have been recognized and how would said random passenger think that his phone call was worthy of videotaping? I am LONG time fan of show who actually studied the guys on the ABC web site prior to opening night and was still confused when Nick was given the FIR. Who on earth would have recognized him?
3. Nick's confidentiality clause ... does this exist anymore? What happened to contestants and in particular F4 having some confidentiality clause where he is not supposed to tell anyone the show's outcome? We all know that finalists do end up telling close family and friends but gosh, have to think that they wouldn't be blabbing about experience on packed plane when there is million dollars at stake should the outcome get out.
4. Nick Knows Contracts ... With every deal Nick closes as an Account Executive at software firm, lawyers are involved and a contract is signed. That's just how big software deals work. Since Nick works in the world of deals & contracts, I just have to believe that he knows his contract and wouldn't be so willy nilly in breaking it and ESPECIALLY by being such a chatty-cathy phone call that could result in him get sued.
5. Timing ... back to random passenger who just so happened to video tape ... if I was some random passenger who put two and two together that there was some guy sitting in front of me blabbing about being rejected on the Bachelorette and therefore decided to videotape the call and take photos to prove it was him ... I wouldn't ON THE SAME DAY think, "Hmmm I am going to send this to that Reality Steve for him to spoil the show." That's just WAY too coincidental and way TOO fast for Steve get his grimy hands on evidence.
6. Money .... In addition to strangeness of timing, the other thing that gets me is what's in it for the passenger doing the taping? The vast majority of people (in the tiny minority of people who would even put two and two together to videotape Nick's call) would think ... what kind of $$ money $$ can I get from selling this audio? Should I contact ABC? Should I contact TMZ? Should I contact US, Enquirer or InTouch? Should I contact one of the entertainment shows? Should I contact a lawyer to see how much I can make off this? I know that Reality Steve pays for evidence but surely some of the bigger players would have paid bigger bucks and the person who took the video would have shopped for best deal. At least I sure would have!
7. Sound quality ... The sound is pretty darn good, considering the random noise happening on the plane and that Nick is sitting in the row ahead of the videographer. Nick must have really been speaking loudly ... for a guy who seems somewhat reserved on the show ... hmmm ...
8. Knowledge of Jason/Molly ... And, finally, does anyone really think that Nick keeps up with other couples from this franchise? Even RS called Nick a "virgin" in his knowledge of how the Bachelor/ette works so why on earth would Nick know what other finalists have done? Sure, maybe his handler shared this with him to give him hope (pump him up for the ATFR) but it just did not ring true.
My initial guess: the airplane videographer is someone connected with the show who sat behind him and audiotaped this call. He then immediately sent the footage to Reality Steve so he could one again falsely and with all of his annoying bravado spoil Andi's season.
After the big set up of Des & Brooks' spoiler last season, I bet that ABC knew they had to up the ante and what better way to do so than via a staged videotaping so that RS could have tangible proof. RS could be in on this as I have always thought that RS is somehow in cahoots with Fleiss and this way RS could save face by pointing his finger at the video proof.
Or ... I could be totally wrong and Nick isn't as smart as I thought. Good luck with that lawsuit to Nick and good luck to Josh and Andi.
Either way, I think the video creates more questions than provides any answers.
This video has been fishy to me since I first saw it and you put it much better than I have been able to. Sorry you got spoiled, but glad you can come post with us now. I also think that Nick is F1, but that might change for me as the season goes on.
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MVMom, great post, great questions!!
Will we ever have all the answers!!?
Will we ever have all the answers!!?
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I don't get how Nick doing this to fool people would be considered 'smart'.
Anything I post means it's Just My Opinion. Don't feel like posting it every time I post. So, I thought I'd get that out of the way.
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atem wrote:I don't get how Nick doing this to fool people would be considered 'smart'.
as someone knows him said: wicked sense of humor?? *wink*
perhaps thats why i think he become very close with Elan. #Diane7AFool
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atem wrote:I don't get how Nick doing this to fool people would be considered 'smart'.
Personally, if this is fake, I think it was TPTB's idea, another way to screw with RS.
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stuckinsc wrote:atem wrote:I don't get how Nick doing this to fool people would be considered 'smart'.
Personally, if this is fake, I think it was TPTB's idea, another way to screw with RS.
Absolutely….and if it is fake, Nick's wicked sense of humor mad fit doable.
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"Love is everything it's cracked up to be…It really is worth fighting for, being brave for, risking everything for" - Nick
"What I felt for you was greater than a moment" - Nick
"I knew I loved you right away & I didn't even know why" - Ben
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