Episode 9 - 7/25 Fantasy dates - Discussion - Spoilers

gurlbrit wrote:

alsoaktchr wrote:Does anybody else find this predictability uninspiring?

I'm still very skeptical, TPTB have NEVER handed it to us on a plate before. Just seems way too easy to me.

that's cuz he thinks we're too stoopid to figure it out......

unoriginal and typical - but at least we can say with 99.999999% certainty that JP is F1.

bilolo wrote:

chaslom4 wrote:What is everyone's thoughts on CH asking in his blog if everyone caught the teaser at the end of the previews where Ashley says it's the first day of her love story? This is the only thing that seems to be nagging me right now, since she said it was the beginning in HK.

my take on this is that her journey ends that day and she'll start a new real life with her final one out of the bubble for me the day of the FRC marks the first day in real life
hope you get my point

that's how I see it too - all the craziness is over, she'll hand out her final rose and they can finally be together without all the other guys and the added drama of the show.

chaslom4 wrote:What is everyone's thoughts on CH asking in his blog if everyone caught the teaser at the end of the previews where Ashley says it's the first day of her love story? This is the only thing that seems to be nagging me right now, since she said it was the beginning in HK.

This is all about giving us the ending by hiding it in plain sight.

This show has been about Ashley's journey to find love; this show is always about the journey. Once she has found it the journey has ended - but not the love that she found - that is just beginning. You have probably noticed that we keep hearing Jordan talk (in VO) about Fiji being the perfect place to end it with Ashley - but he's not talking about ending the relationship or the love, he's talking about ending the journey, arriving at the final goal, surmounting the last obstacle and finding love.

Babycakee wrote:

bilolo wrote:

chaslom4 wrote:What is everyone's thoughts on CH asking in his blog if everyone caught the teaser at the end of the previews where Ashley says it's the first day of her love story? This is the only thing that seems to be nagging me right now, since she said it was the beginning in HK.

my take on this is that her journey ends that day and she'll start a new real life with her final one out of the bubble for me the day of the FRC marks the first day in real life
hope you get my point

I'm still catching up, but these are my sentiments exactly.

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Depends on when she really said it.

Living wrote:

Babycakee wrote:

bilolo wrote:

chaslom4 wrote:What is everyone's thoughts on CH asking in his blog if everyone caught the teaser at the end of the previews where Ashley says it's the first day of her love story? This is the only thing that seems to be nagging me right now, since she said it was the beginning in HK.

my take on this is that her journey ends that day and she'll start a new real life with her final one out of the bubble for me the day of the FRC marks the first day in real life
hope you get my point

I'm still catching up, but these are my sentiments exactly.

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Depends on when she really said it.

True! That could be a VO from the first night. I rewatched the previews and very little was actual dialogue. It was all voice overs.

So where does the voice over that JP says "She must not love me" come into play... (not sure if that is the exact wording)

I am wondering if Constantine leaves half way through the date, just like Ashley let go of Ryan. Then Ryan shows up and she lets him come to the rose ceremony. (this would fit with Coastal's, Ryan stays longer than RS says).

Something that seems to line up with Ashley saying "Actions speak louder than words" when Constantine leaves. Which I think is him behind the bushes in the preview.



He may be all really liking her during HTD but by the time FD comes around he just wants to go, he knows by then he does not want to be with her in the end.

Constantine has said that he's found a way to bail on every relationship so that he doesn't get hurt. He knew he wasn't a front runner. He got far and he's probably no better than Bentley. He's got it coming from all directions right now and women are probably coming in packs to Cumming, GA to visit his restaurant to get pizza!

sjcaligurl wrote:Constantine has said that he's found a way to bail on every relationship so that he doesn't get hurt. He knew he wasn't a front runner. He got far and he's probably no better than Bentley. He's got it coming from all directions right now and women are probably coming in packs to Cumming, GA to visit his restaurant to get pizza!

I can't see that Dino ever showed real interest in Ashley. She asked him direct questions, and he answered her frankly. She took encouragement from those answers that she could possibly go further with him. Then at the Hometown, we heard his Dad put the absolute brakes on an engagement when he told Dino, "Don't rush into anything," which was the same thing as saying, "Don't get engaged during this process."
We heard Dino say how much he thought of his father's advice.

Next episode, we see Dino dismiss himself. The truth of the matter is we never saw Dino emotionally engaged with Ashley at all. He just spoke of possibilities. It was all on Ashley's part.

He was another safe pick. I'd be surprised if she had a meltdown over him. He's a guy so I wonder if he minds knowing he was just there for eye candy. I don't think she ever saw a relationship with him. She liked the way he looked and she liked his family but I never saw any real bonding with him on her side either. It almost seems like he wants a paper doll that fits into his family. She probably saw Ames' catching feelings for her and let him go first. I simply can't believe she'd pick Dino over Ben ... but then again, all of them were behind JP anyway.

sjcaligurl wrote:He was another safe pick. I'd be surprised if she had a meltdown over him. He's a guy so I wonder if he minds knowing he was just there for eye candy. I don't think she ever saw a relationship with him. She liked the way he looked and she liked his family but I never saw any real bonding with him on her side either. It almost seems like he wants a paper doll that fits into his family. She probably saw Ames' catching feelings for her and let him go first. I simply can't believe she'd pick Dino over Ben ... but then again, all of them were behind JP anyway.

They were definitely just buddies! Compare that to JP and Ash kissing in the seasplane, Ben carrying Ash in his arms, and what do we see of Ash and Dino's FD? They're high-fiving in the helicopter! Yeah, just buddies.

What I don't understand is why he waited that long to bring up the issue of religion? Did he just want the travel? Was he really feeling it for Ashley? I can't figure that out.

sjcaligurl wrote:He was another safe pick. I'd be surprised if she had a meltdown over him. He's a guy so I wonder if he minds knowing he was just there for eye candy. I don't think she ever saw a relationship with him. She liked the way he looked and she liked his family but I never saw any real bonding with him on her side either. It almost seems like he wants a paper doll that fits into his family. She probably saw Ames' catching feelings for her and let him go first. I simply can't believe she'd pick Dino over Ben ... but then again, all of them were behind JP anyway.

I agree that Dino just wants someone to fit into his life and it was never Ash and of course he was never a F1 pick, but him removing himself could lead to her insecurities going crazy again. This is just another one who didn't want Ashley on her own show and coupled with JP's refusing to say ILY, we can see a potential meltdown. I hope not though, I love when she's tough and tells them to GTFO. LOL.

Lucas15 wrote:

chaslom4 wrote:What is everyone's thoughts on CH asking in his blog if everyone caught the teaser at the end of the previews where Ashley says it's the first day of her love story? This is the only thing that seems to be nagging me right now, since she said it was the beginning in HK.

This is all about giving us the ending by hiding it in plain sight.

This show has been about Ashley's journey to find love; this show is always about the journey. Once she has found it the journey has ended - but not the love that she found - that is just beginning. You have probably noticed that we keep hearing Jordan talk (in VO) about Fiji being the perfect place to end it with Ashley - but he's not talking about ending the relationship or the love, he's talking about ending the journey, arriving at the final goal, surmounting the last obstacle and finding love.

lets remember the song at the roller rink, shall we?

And I can't fight this feeling anymore.
I've forgotten what I started fighting for.
It's time to bring this ship into the shore,
And throw away the oars, forever.

plus his comments on the video about his HTD: perfect song for the kiss... I am VERY happy, mom...


fighting.... against 25 guys.... against the sister... against his own fears to love again...

but in the end:

Cause I can't fight this feeling anymore.
I've forgotten what I started fighting for.