Sean & Catherine Lowe - Bachelor 17 - Discussion

vivi2 wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

vivi2 wrote:Exactly! All of the people from this franchise should be called famewhores, we have to be fair!

I feel better now, Thanks to you I am arielle!

I disagree that all of the people from this franchise should be called famewhores. There are more people who have gone back to their normal lives than have sold their 15 minutes of fame for money.  I'm all for taking advantage of opportunities that come their way like appearances, but I really don't like endorsing supplement products like Sean/Cat and Andi/Josh have done. Andi is still recent, but Sean is over what 2 years now? Time to go back to a regular life, if he has one; Bachelor opportunities are not going to last forever. Brad, Ben, Emily, Des, Ashley have all gone back to their normal lives. JP is doing Couples Therapy, probably for the $, but he is still recent too, and his appearances were not riding on The Bachelor's coattails. He seemed to distance himself from anything Bachelor related. So, I don't think it's fair at all to say everyone associated with this show is a famewhore.

I have to disagree with you too.  **edited**

Who are we to tell these people what they should do with their life?  As long as they're not doing illegal things or acting in a porn movie.. I don't care. What is normal to you?  We're all different.  

You can't compare JPa to Sean because they're different.  JPa was lazy,  he only wanted easy money from TPTB without taking his job seriously.  He lost my respect when he disrespected his boss.  They paid him good money and at the end he got Nikki.  He should have been grateful, very grateful to TPTB if you ask me.

Do you think if he wasn't TB,  he would be asked to go on CT?  Nobody knew him before the show.  What an ungrateful guy!

I doubt that too if he wasn't TB, he would be asked to go on CT. I am sure the reason they are on CT because they saw his ending is great for this reality show . And why not?  It is good for this reality show.

Okay goodnight people . Nice talking to you all.

Good morning GA and lipsis,

Before I start my "defense" in a few hours, I want to know if I'm allowed to talk about other people besides SC here? I feel that it's important to have this dialogue so that the board will be a better place for all to stop by.

Thanks.

Please stay within the topic of this category. Comparing S/C to others is fine as long as S/C is the main topic of the conversation. Everyone else has their own topics for discussion. We are not telling these people what to do with their lives, we are sharing OUR opinions of how they are living their life.

It is not OK to criticize others for their opinions. Post your opinions and leave other posters out of it. Therefore some posts have been deleted/edited.

I love all the opportunities that Sean and Catherine are getting and we continue to pray that God will open more doors for them that no men can close. I am so excited to see the hand of God on their lives. Sean and Catherine the best is yet to come!

Mustang19 wrote:

vivi2 wrote:Exactly! All of the people from this franchise should be called famewhores, we have to be fair!

I feel better now, Thanks to you I am arielle!

I disagree that all of the people from this franchise should be called famewhores. There are more people who have gone back to their normal lives than have sold their 15 minutes of fame for money.  I'm all for taking advantage of opportunities that come their way like appearances, but I really don't like endorsing supplement products like Sean/Cat and Andi/Josh have done. Andi is still recent, but Sean is over what 2 years now? Time to go back to a regular life, if he has one; Bachelor opportunities are not going to last forever. Brad, Ben, Emily, Des, Ashley have all gone back to their normal lives. JP is doing Couples Therapy, probably for the $, but he is still recent too, and his appearances were not riding on The Bachelor's coattails. He seemed to distance himself from anything Bachelor related. So, I don't think it's fair at all to say everyone associated with this show is a famewhore.

I agree that some people from the franchise have gone back to their regular lives and don't give the Bachelor franchise another thought.  Chantal (F2) from Brad's season comes to mind.  I don't think the people you mentioned have really gone back to their regular lives though.  Brad did come on for a second season, probably for the money they offered him.  It was probably too good to pass up.  Ben promoted his winery from the celebrity status he gained from the show.  Emily has a blog and sells either jewelry or a clothing line, or maybe both.  Des has a blog and wants to become a clothing or wedding dress designer.  I am sure she will use whatever leverage she can from her appearance in the franchise to help in that endeavor.  Plus, I am sure that she and Chris got paid for their appearance on BIP.  Ashley for the most part has resumed her normal life as a dentist, but she still makes appearances for the franchise.  Her and JP appeared on ATFR (I am sure for a fee and for a few free days in California), and they also might have appeared on BIP if it wasn't for her pregnancy.  Plus, they got a free wedding for their association with the show.  I think when the right opportunity comes along for each individual contestant, then they take advantage of it.  The general public as a whole may agree with what opportunities the contestants take advantage of, or they may not.  I personally think it would be stupid of all these contestants to not take advantage of the opportunities that come their way.  They have to decide what they feel is morally right for them to do.

Like you, I sort of draw the line at endorsing supplemental products like hydroxycut and Advocare.  To me though, the Advocare thing is worse because of the way it is designed.  With Hydroxycut, Sean probably got paid a flat fee for all the advertising he did for the product.  He probably didn't get a percentage of each bottle that was sold.  With the Advocare thing, it looks like Josh and Andi get a percentage of every product that is sold, and they also get a percentage of each product that people that they recruit into the company sell as well.  To me, that is taking advantage of their fans.  The whole pyramid aspect of it just has a very sleazy feeling to me.  Just my opinion.

Edited to add:

I love Sean and Catherine (probably my favorite couple ever from the franchise), but I did not like the Hydroxycut endorsement. I can still love them and not wholeheartedly agree with everything that they do. Does Sean still even endorse the Hydroxycut product any longer?

^I will definitely agree that this Advocare thing gives me a way worse taste in my mouth than Sean's work with Hydroxycut, something he hasn't done since this Spring so I'm guessing his endorsement with them might be over. He was a paid spokesperson and didn't get any percentage of their profits when he appeared on behalf of the company.

And I know Sean's "job" is often the topic of conversation around here. He did an interview with the KSU alumni magazine. In it he mentions working with some people in the oil and gas industry in Texas as well as some real estate dealings. So while he doesn't go to a typical 9-5 job, he does work with various companies. And this doesn't include his book which he is constantly working on and any of his work/speaking engagements for churches and youth groups.

umngirl wrote:^I will definitely agree that this Advocare thing gives me a way worse taste in my mouth than Sean's work with Hydroxycut, something he hasn't done since this Spring so I'm guessing his endorsement with them might be over. He was a paid spokesperson and didn't get any percentage of their profits when he appeared on behalf of the company.

And I know Sean's "job" is often the topic of conversation around here. He did an interview with the KSU alumni magazine. In it he mentions working with some people in the oil and gas industry in Texas as well as some real estate dealings. So while he doesn't go to a typical 9-5 job, he does work with various companies. And this doesn't include his book which he is constantly working on and any of his work/speaking engagements for churches and youth groups.

Sean not having a 9-5 job does not bother me in the least.  Heck, many people that are not "celebrities" don't have a 9 to 5 job either.  For the most part, I think Sean and Catherine have done an excellent job of picking and choosing what opportunities that they have taken advantage of.  I also think that Sean and Catherine have been very careful how they invest the money they have earned from the Bachelor and DWTS.  I think in addition to the promotional stuff we see like appearances, they have a lot of behind the scenes things going on that the general public does not know about (some of what you shared in your post).  I selfishly love when they do promotional appearances though because it gives me a chance to see them and see what they have been up to, so I hope they don't end those any time soon!  I think they are excellent role models for future contestants on how to initially take advantage of the celebrity status you gain from the show.  I think they also know that they cannot count on their celebrity status from the show being able to support them for their entire lives, and they have shown that by some of their new ventures.  Can't wait to see what's in store for them in the future!

^^^
Gosh, you guys mentioned a lot of stuff that I was gonna address in my post(s).

That means I can do some work first and come back later tonight. See ya...

I don't think endorsing anything other than "eat healthy and exercise" is better than the other, so both couples endorsing any product that encourages our culture's instant fix should leave a bad taste in every one's mouth IMO.

^Just one comment on that. Sean always said Hydroxycut was something to use in conjunction with a healthy diet and exercise. He never said it was a quick fix to use in order to lose weight.

I'm not an Advocare expert, but I wouldn't touch this program with a ten foot pole. I have used some Hydroxycut products and there wasn't anything extreme or bad to say about them.

Sable wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

vivi2 wrote:Exactly! All of the people from this franchise should be called famewhores, we have to be fair!

I feel better now, Thanks to you I am arielle!

I disagree that all of the people from this franchise should be called famewhores. There are more people who have gone back to their normal lives than have sold their 15 minutes of fame for money.  I'm all for taking advantage of opportunities that come their way like appearances, but I really don't like endorsing supplement products like Sean/Cat and Andi/Josh have done. Andi is still recent, but Sean is over what 2 years now? Time to go back to a regular life, if he has one; Bachelor opportunities are not going to last forever. Brad, Ben, Emily, Des, Ashley have all gone back to their normal lives. JP is doing Couples Therapy, probably for the $, but he is still recent too, and his appearances were not riding on The Bachelor's coattails. He seemed to distance himself from anything Bachelor related. So, I don't think it's fair at all to say everyone associated with this show is a famewhore.

I agree that some people from the franchise have gone back to their regular lives and don't give the Bachelor franchise another thought.  Chantal (F2) from Brad's season comes to mind.  I don't think the people you mentioned have really gone back to their regular lives though.  Brad did come on for a second season, probably for the money they offered him.  It was probably too good to pass up.  Ben promoted his winery from the celebrity status he gained from the show.  Emily has a blog and sells either jewelry or a clothing line, or maybe both.  Des has a blog and wants to become a clothing or wedding dress designer.  I am sure she will use whatever leverage she can from her appearance in the franchise to help in that endeavor.  Plus, I am sure that she and Chris got paid for their appearance on BIP.  Ashley for the most part has resumed her normal life as a dentist, but she still makes appearances for the franchise.  Her and JP appeared on ATFR (I am sure for a fee and for a few free days in California), and they also might have appeared on BIP if it wasn't for her pregnancy.  Plus, they got a free wedding for their association with the show.  I think when the right opportunity comes along for each individual contestant, then they take advantage of it.  The general public as a whole may agree with what opportunities the contestants take advantage of, or they may not.  I personally think it would be stupid of all these contestants to not take advantage of the opportunities that come their way.  They have to decide what they feel is morally right for them to do.

Like you, I sort of draw the line at endorsing supplemental products like hydroxycut and Advocare.  To me though, the Advocare thing is worse because of the way it is designed.  With Hydroxycut, Sean probably got paid a flat fee for all the advertising he did for the product.  He probably didn't get a percentage of each bottle that was sold.  With the Advocare thing, it looks like Josh and Andi get a percentage of every product that is sold, and they also get a percentage of each product that people that they recruit into the company sell as well.  To me, that is taking advantage of their fans.  The whole pyramid aspect of it just has a very sleazy feeling to me.  Just my opinion.

Edited to add:

I love Sean and Catherine (probably my favorite couple ever from the franchise), but I did not like the Hydroxycut endorsement.  I can still love them and not wholeheartedly agree with everything that they do.    Does Sean still even endorse the Hydroxycut product any longer?

The point I was trying to make, and maybe not so clear in my efforts, was that we are now some distance from the airing of Sean's, Emily's, Ben's, Ashley's, Brad's seasons, counted in years now, not months. I don't see any of them continuing to make appearances, riding on the show's name, such as "Come see The Bachelorette's Emily for (insert event)" as Sean and Cat do. They have been out of this bubble a couple of years now and continue to use it. I am only stating my opinion here, but this 15 minutes of fame isn't going to last and if it were me, I would be working on figuring out what I was going to do for a living for the rest of my life. Is he going to be endorsing products when he's 60? It's his life and obviously he is going to do what he wants, but it would make me very nervous if I was Cat. I go for the more secure/predictable careers where there is a plan, a stable income, and a retirement plan in place. The other leads used their fame right after the show, but aren't continuing to make appearances, endorsements, etc. If you look at a lot of the other contestants/lead's threads, there hasn't been a post in months except maybe a new girlfriend/boyfriend, marriage, etc - not having anything to do with the show. Maybe I'm more critical of Sean/Cat because I generally don't think much of them, but I know a lot of you do - which is ok. I was just stating my thoughts on the "famewhore" issue in previous posts. To me, a "famewhore" is someone who sells their fame for money, attention seeker, etc. If you're in the entertainment business, being a "famewhore" is your job, but these contestants aren't in the entertainment business, so I could see the point above where we are now a couple of years out from Sean's season and he is still trying to stay relevant. I don't follow them, and only read what's posted here. I could be wrong, but all of his deals seem pretty harmless with the exception of Hydroxycut - I just don't agree with any of these constestants endorsing these types of products that have a questionable reputation at best.

^Much of Sean and Catherine's appearances these days are speaking engagements at churches, youth groups, youth conferences. I don't see them stopping these type of appearances any time soon. Sean even talks of potentially becoming a youth minister/mentor so that would be a part of his job.

And as I've mentioned and Sean himself mentioned, he does business in a few areas back in Dallas that would be considered more stable and normal. They both have mentioned they know these opportunities won't last forever but they are going take some of them while they can before kids comes for example.