Jason & Molly Mesnick - Bachelor 13 - Discussion

stuckinsc wrote:I don't know how many have slept with more than one.  I don't take Courtney's word that Ashley had sex with Ben.  Maybe they fooled around, but I don't know.  Des only had Chris, but if Brooks stuck around would that be different, I don't know.

To me the ones that have succeeded, Ashley, Des and Sean either were a little more selective or had an F1 confident enough to handle it all.

To me needing to sleep with more than F1 shows that you don't have a huge commitment to F1 at that point.

As others have pointed out. Ali and Ash both had to wait until the last date to get their ILY.  Andi used Josh not having committed to all in before Nick's FS, that she needed to make sure she had a backup plan, well sorry, but if you know who you want, then you don't need to sample the other goods.

I respected Charlie and Byron both for stating in advance that they weren't having sex in the FS.  It gave them a chance to know the women better and to not have the woman have to worry or think about the other women in that way.

This is all JMO.

I thought Jason saying what he did was incredibly disrespectful to all four women involved.  It insinuates that Kaitlyn and Whitney had sex with him and that Britt would and is just insulting to Becca.

There has been subtle virgin bashing all season and it disgusts me.  If a woman has the right to have sex when she wants to without criticism, then why shouldn't she be allowed to abstain without criticism.  The double standard is sad IMO.

I don't care for Jason or Molly, though I find her more likable than Jason.  He is a troll that got darn lucky that Graham wanted out and that Jeremy did something in the FS to tick off DeAnna.

Jason was the most fall back F2 ever, magically from F4 to F2 and bachelor because Graham refused to keep playing the game.

His snarky slightly nasty remarks make him a troll IMO.

chasingpavements wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:I don't know how many have slept with more than one.  I don't take Courtney's word that Ashley had sex with Ben.  Maybe they fooled around, but I don't know.  Des only had Chris, but if Brooks stuck around would that be different, I don't know.

To me the ones that have succeeded, Ashley, Des and Sean either were a little more selective or had an F1 confident enough to handle it all.

To me needing to sleep with more than F1 shows that you don't have a huge commitment to F1 at that point.

As others have pointed out. Ali and Ash both had to wait until the last date to get their ILY.  Andi used Josh not having committed to all in before Nick's FS, that she needed to make sure she had a backup plan, well sorry, but if you know who you want, then you don't need to sample the other goods.

I respected Charlie and Byron both for stating in advance that they weren't having sex in the FS.  It gave them a chance to know the women better and to not have the woman have to worry or think about the other women in that way.

This is all JMO.

I thought Jason saying what he did was incredibly disrespectful to all four women involved.  It insinuates that Kaitlyn and Whitney had sex with him and that Britt would and is just insulting to Becca.

There has been subtle virgin bashing all season and it disgusts me.  If a woman has the right to have sex when she wants to without criticism, then why shouldn't she be allowed to abstain without criticism.  The double standard is sad IMO.

I don't care for Jason or Molly, though I find her more likable than Jason.  He is a troll that got darn lucky that Graham wanted out and that Jeremy did something in the FS to tick off DeAnna.

Jason was the most fall back F2 ever, magically from F4 to F2 and bachelor because Graham refused to keep playing the game.

His snarky slightly nasty remarks make him a troll IMO.

Well, according to Jason, Graham left because he had a girlfriend back home. He didn't say it in a bashing way, just a matter-of-fact "I think everybody already knows" way, so I believe him.

And, Jason did talk about what he would have done if a contestant had told him she was a virgin. He said that he would have said "okay, great" and then moved on. He said he wouldn't have cared at all, so I don't think he was virgin bashing. I think he was more-so joking about the fact that Britt/Chris had a purely physical relationship.

And, I do believe Courtney about Ben/Ashley. Ben would have told her and I don't think Ben would be that confident about winning if they hadn't. And, Courtney was pretty good about separating speculation and fact. She said she wasn't sure if Emily had slept with Arie, but thought that she had based on a run-in with her. And, she wasn't sure if Ben cheated on her, but she thought he had. She mentioned a couple of sexual escapades that occurred with past leads on the show, but presented them as blind items, without saying names. The only ones that she definitively said were Ben/Nikki, Ben/Ashley, and Ben/Courtney so I tend to believe her. And, I think someone involved would have come out and said she lied if it wan't true. JMO!

stuckinsc wrote:This is why I dislike Jason so much, he is a nasty little troll. Of course the short moderately attractive insurance salesman had to have sex with all three in the FS, in real life women that hot want nothing to do with him. I still don't understand what Molly sees in him, but she does so good for him.

Compare him to Byron and Charlie, both men who had no problem getting hot women, they chose to use the FS to get to know the women not to live out their dreams of hot women not laughing at them.

Jason is so disgusting, I am not a huge Chris fan, but the man is attractive, I am sure that unlike Jason, he didn't need the FS to get 3 more knot he's on his personal bedpost.

Six or seven years later and Jason the troll is still living off this franchise. How sad.

StacyNor wrote:

chasingpavements wrote:
Well, according to Jason, Graham left because he had a girlfriend back home. He didn't say it in a bashing way, just a matter-of-fact "I think everybody already knows" way, so I believe him.

And, Jason did talk about what he would have done if a contestant had told him she was a virgin. He said that he would have said "okay, great" and then moved on. He said he wouldn't have cared at all, so I don't think he was virgin bashing. I think he was more-so joking about the fact that Britt/Chris had a purely physical relationship.

And, I do believe Courtney about Ben/Ashley. Ben would have told her and I don't think Ben would be that confident about winning if they hadn't. And, Courtney was pretty good about separating speculation and fact. She said she wasn't sure if Emily had slept with Arie, but thought that she had based on a run-in with her. And, she wasn't sure if Ben cheated on her, but she thought he had. She mentioned a couple of sexual escapades that occurred with past leads on the show, but presented them as blind items, without saying names. The only ones that she definitively said were Ben/Nikki, Ben/Ashley, and Ben/Courtney so I tend to believe her. And, I think someone involved would have come out and said she lied if it wan't true. JMO!

IA. I also read/have Courtney's book and she was sure when she said Ash and Ben it wasn't a speculation. I know most people don't like Cortney but in her book she was very honest about her past, relationships , ups and downs.  I enjoyed reading that book.

MVMom39forever wrote:Gosh, apparently I am in the minority but I like Jason and Molly just fine. I think that quite a few leads and contestants from this show take advantage of the opportunities that the show offers. From being on DWTS and contestants on BachPad or BIP to making public appearances, writing books, cookbooks, tell-alls and starting blogs/websites, etc. I don't understand why it's okay for some but not for Jason and MOlly.

As one of the few successful couples, TPTB keep bringing Jason and Molly back so why would they say no when they can make some money on the side? Neither Jason nor Molly is giving up day jobs for this. Shoot, Ashley and JP have been interviewed about their life and shared their baby pictures, which only happened because of the show. Graham Bunn, Sean Lowe and even Zak W who has his own blog on Desiree's site, for example are just a few more.  Shoot, Amy Long said she and Drew Kenney would jump at chance to do BIP2 if they made it a different format. So LOTS of folks are cashing in on this show (or looking to) long after the cameras went away.

GuardianAngel wrote:IA MVMom - I don't dislike Jason/Molly at all. I give them credit for everything they went through and recently celebrated their 5th year wedding anniversary.

I just didn't like his comment, and maybe not hearing it on the podcast takes away the from the joke he was trying to make.

MVMom39forever wrote:Gosh, apparently I am in the minority but I like Jason and Molly just fine. I think that quite a few leads and contestants from this show take advantage of the opportunities that the show offers. From being on DWTS and contestants on BachPad or BIP to making public appearances, writing books, cookbooks, tell-alls and starting blogs/websites, etc. I don't understand why it's okay for some but not for Jason and MOlly.

As one of the few successful couples, TPTB keep bringing Jason and Molly back so why would they say no when they can make some money on the side? Neither Jason nor Molly is giving up day jobs for this. Shoot, Ashley and JP have been interviewed about their life and shared their baby pictures, which only happened because of the show. Graham Bunn, Sean Lowe and even Zak W who has his own blog on Desiree's site, for example are just a few more.  Shoot, Amy Long said she and Drew Kenney would jump at chance to do BIP2 if they made it a different format. So LOTS of folks are cashing in on this show (or looking to) long after the cameras went away.

bleuberry wrote:I'm just glad Jesse Csinsak (sp?) has moved on.

stuckinsc wrote:

bleuberry wrote:I'm just glad Jesse Csinsak (sp?) has moved on.

I agree completely, but he and Jason were on the same original season, so if Jesse can move on, how sad is it that Jason hasn't.

I won't discuss Chris here anymore.  Maybe a 26 year old being a virgin is not the norm, but it isn't a sexually transmitted disease or something and if a man can't wait a little while then he should move on.  Should have dumped her after that.

My friends who married as virgins in their mid to late 20s had wonderful men who loved them and didn't mind.  And yes all three of the men were not virgins.  To them the women they loved were worth waiting for.  Maybe Chris is that man and maybe he isn't.