Re: Des & Chris Siegfried - Fan Forum - Media - Discussion

[mome2jk]

The Brooks fans had Brooks on a flight to Antigua on 4/27 I believe.

Brooks was in ID on 4/27 with his mom and sister. We got this great cap during the show in Boise:


He said he was flying out the next night which would have been 4/28. I doubt he would have had a date on 4/29 so the breakup was 4/30. The F3 RC was 5/1 and the FRC was 5/6. So it was 6 days between the break-up and proposal.

Thank you for that.. the perplexing thing is Chris puts the MTP on 4/29.  

I don't think you can use this picture from the show as conclusive that Brooks was in town on this date. With him not in the picture we don't know if they filmed it before he got there, after he left, or while he was there.

[Baseball Mom]

I was just wondering if they could have gone one with the show because of the detour to Boise. They knew it was leading to a break-up and circled back to it at some point. She made one odd comment.. "he can't picture a marriage, because maybe he doesn't love me." Maybe?

I'm just thinking aloud.. your timeline makes sense and probably Chris' date is off.

Another date seems to be off, in SFrank's timeline, it says Chris' FSD happened on April 27 and yet if you look at Chris' poem #38 Distance in Mind, it says he wrote it on April 27 while enroute to JFK from LAX. So, he wasn't even in Antigua yet on April 27

[mercieme]

I was just wondering if they could have gone one with the show because of the detour to Boise. They knew it was leading to a break-up and circled back to it at some point. She made one odd comment.. "he can't picture a marriage, because maybe he doesn't love me." Maybe?

I'm just thinking aloud.. your timeline makes sense and probably Chris' date is off.

Another date seems to be off, in SFrank's timeline, it says Chris' FSD happened on April 27 and yet if you look at Chris' poem #38 Distance in Mind, it says he wrote it on April 27 while enroute to JFK from LAX. So, he wasn't even in Antigua yet on April 27

Good catch BMom, there is no way Chris made up these timelines in my opinion, something is no adding up between what was sleuthed and the actual events in my opinion but will leave it at that.

[DKWillis]

l came across this article awhile back thought l would just pass along it was interesting and decided to save it re:plot of bachelor/ette which tells about the drama etc

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Main article: Rules of The Bachelor
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The series revolves around a single bachelor (deemed eligible) and a pool of romantic interests (typically 25; 30 in season 15), which could include a potential wife for the bachelor. The conflicts in the series, both internal and external, stem from the elimination-style format of the show. Early in the season, the bachelor goes on large group dates with the women, with the majority of women eliminated during rose ceremonies. As the season progresses, women are also eliminated on one-on-one dates and on elimination two-on-one dates. The process culminates with hometown visits to the families of the final four women, overnight dates, should they choose to accept, at exotic locations with the final three women, and interaction with the bachelor's family with the final two women. In many cases, the bachelor proposes to his final selection.

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JMO it's out in the open for all to see/read by the show and l have to agree with you all  that Chris in my eyes has not broken any contract. Lets face it he has seen w/his own eyes and generalized them in his poetry like any normal human being.  Good for him

[mprssdbyu]

I was just wondering if they could have gone one with the show because of the detour to Boise. They knew it was leading to a break-up and circled back to it at some point. She made one odd comment.. "he can't picture a marriage, because maybe he doesn't love me." Maybe?

I'm just thinking aloud.. your timeline makes sense and probably Chris' date is off.

Another date seems to be off, in SFrank's timeline, it says Chris' FSD happened on April 27 and yet if you look at Chris' poem #38 Distance in Mind, it says he wrote it on April 27 while enroute to JFK from LAX. So, he wasn't even in Antigua yet on April 27

Good catch BMom, there is no way Chris made up these timelines in my opinion, something is no adding up between what was sleuthed and the actual events in my opinion but will leave it at that.

A picture doesn't equate to anything concrete. Some of those poems were written in the wee hours of the morning. There's just no way to know unless it comes from those who KNOW! It's Chris's journey and he seems to be loving the fact that he can share it. I recall what someone wise always says... "Follow the feet." It will tell you a great deal.  

[mome2jk]

I was just wondering if they could have gone one with the show because of the detour to Boise. They knew it was leading to a break-up and circled back to it at some point. She made one odd comment.. "he can't picture a marriage, because maybe he doesn't love me." Maybe?

I'm just thinking aloud.. your timeline makes sense and probably Chris' date is off.

Another date seems to be off, in SFrank's timeline, it says Chris' FSD happened on April 27 and yet if you look at Chris' poem #38 Distance in Mind, it says he wrote it on April 27 while enroute to JFK from LAX. So, he wasn't even in Antigua yet on April 27

The guys don't travel all together so him traveling on 4/27 with a FD on 4/28 is possible. And if we go with the theory that Brooks traveled on 4/28 with FD/breakup on 4/29 that fits.

The only thing puzzling is the poem he wrote after the MTP on 4/29. I think Chris actually had the LCD then MTP because of his question to her about meeting the parents and that whole conversation that was shown. It looks like he just messed up his dates. With her writing that poem to him on 5/4 I would say that was the day after the LCD and MTP was 5/4 or 5/5 with FRC on 5/6.

[soccermom333]

Thanks. Yeah... there is a story behind the story here, just not sure how much of it is any of our business. Yet possible clues are given.

The "downfall" MIGHT be the criticism she has gotten for the post-Brooks "turnaround" which "me thinks" was mostly storyboarded anyway... that is, you can count me in among those who believe she made up her mind about Chris as F1 by Munich, but The Show Must Go On... AND she had to work out her various "issues" (heartbreak and otherwise) with Brooks on screen much as Ali and Ashley had to with Frank and Bentley respectively. No, I will not wage battle with the Brooks Battalion about all of this. We just all have to agree to disagree, voice our "takes" and let those reading make their own opinions.

For example, there was a debate as to whether or not she would be as equally upset had Chris left instead of Brooks, but that was never an issue to begin with since Chris told her in Munich that he was "here for the long haul", just as JP told Ashley in Phuket (episode #4 that season) he wasn't going anywhere and she would have to force him out. Usually these scenes are key "signs" included in the edit that the lead "knows" who is The One. Brooks never promised anything... and technically did nothing wrong but accept that rose after hometown and let Zak get booted in his place... just as Bryden got the previous Zack booted in his place. (Bryden leaves. Brooks leaves. Zack and Zak could have stayed. S-T-O-R-Y-B-O-A-R-D.)

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[Norcalgal]

I was just wondering if they could have gone one with the show because of the detour to Boise. They knew it was leading to a break-up and circled back to it at some point. She made one odd comment.. "he can't picture a marriage, because maybe he doesn't love me." Maybe?

I'm just thinking aloud.. your timeline makes sense and probably Chris' date is off.

Another date seems to be off, in SFrank's timeline, it says Chris' FSD happened on April 27 and yet if you look at Chris' poem #38 Distance in Mind, it says he wrote it on April 27 while enroute to JFK from LAX. So, he wasn't even in Antigua yet on April 27

The guys don't travel all together so him traveling on 4/27 with a FD on 4/28 is possible.  And if we go with the theory that Brooks traveled on 4/28 with FD/breakup on 4/29 that fits.  

The only thing puzzling is the poem he wrote after the MTP on 4/29.  I think Chris actually had the LCD then MTP because of his question to her about meeting the parents and that whole conversation that was shown.  It looks like he just messed up his dates.  With her writing that poem to him on 5/4 I would say that was the day after the LCD and MTP was 5/4 or 5/5 with FRC on 5/6.

Perhaps Chris' dates were off because he was sleep deprived after the FD! That could also have contributed to Des' emotional reaction to Brooks quitting the show. Remember, Meredith was so tired and distraught about having to go on a date with Matt after being with Ian that she showed up late in the afternoon, prompting the question from Matt "what happened?"

[Litta123]

Has it been considered that MTP meant meeting his parents in Chris's mind? Did he actually use the MTP abbreviation in his synopsis? Is it clear in the context of the poem that he is referring to Des's family?

I don't have the book and haven't read the poem...so maybe if I did, his words would indicate that I am way off the mark. I throw it out there for those of you who have the book. Would any of the above be possibilities?

[Baseball Mom]

Has it been considered that MTP meant meeting his parents in Chris's mind? Did he actually use the MTP abbreviation in his synopsis? Is it clear in the context of the poem that he is referring to Des's family?

I don't have the book and haven't read the poem...so maybe if I did, his words would indicate that I am way off the mark. I throw it out there for those of you who have the book. Would any of the above be possibilities?

Litta, in the synopsis for that poem, he wrote that "I just got finished meeting her parents and needed to write her something" so I think he was pretty clear with what he meant.

[Litta123]

Has it been considered that MTP meant meeting his parents in Chris's mind? Did he actually use the MTP abbreviation in his synopsis? Is it clear in the context of the poem that he is referring to Des's family?

I don't have the book and haven't read the poem...so maybe if I did, his words would indicate that I am way off the mark. I throw it out there for those of you who have the book. Would any of the above be possibilities?

Litta, in the synopsis for that poem, he wrote that "I just got finished meeting her parents and needed to write her something" so I think he was pretty clear with what he meant.

Haha! Yep, that's pretty clear...thanks, BBMom!

[mercieme]

Has it been considered that MTP meant meeting his parents in Chris's mind? Did he actually use the MTP abbreviation in his synopsis? Is it clear in the context of the poem that he is referring to Des's family?

I don't have the book and haven't read the poem...so maybe if I did, his words would indicate that I am way off the mark. I throw it out there for those of you who have the book. Would any of the above be possibilities?

Yes he spelled it out as that was when he met Des's parents & also the last time he saw her prior to proposal. At this point nothing is certain because Des wrote him a poem that he was the one for her on 5/4 & sleuthing places the FRC as 5/6. Why would they need a 2 day gap between when she knew & the FRC, does not make sense in my opinion especially if u are trying to prevent leaks.

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