Re: Brooks Forester - Bachelorette 9 Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #13

[Kashathediva]

I'm just gonna throw this out there because it's something Des said in an interview that I keep remembering. I can't even remember who the interview was with but they were talking about Nate and how the things that he said and the questions he asked ruined it for Des and Sean last season. The interviewer said something about her brother ruining things and she said  something like "or it could also be a sister". This doesn't seem to fit because it sounds like Brooks' talk with his mom and sister supported his relationship with Des but could some question or theme with his sister make him question things for some reason? When his sister said, "do you always want to be with that person" (I'm not sure I even agree with this because you can love someone and not always want to be with them...). I flashed back to when Brooks said at the beginning of their HTD how great it was to be with her but when they are apart he forgets a little bit....Or maybe something else came up in his talk with his sister that we haven't seen yet that will be a clue to what makes him question things??? We shall see.   

This rang a bell with me at the time, also. Interesting.

[Guest]

You know, I hit on this thought in another thread, but why is it all about Brooks having to speed up (something that doesn't seem to be his style) and go Des' way? Maybe it's Des that needs to learn to bend a little and come his. She is racing ahead and he's trying desperately to keep up and she's putting a lot of pressure on him. MAYBE what she learns, the learning curve she refers to, is that she realizes that if she wants him (which she professes she does) she needs to come his way a little bit. Maybe that's what she means by wants vs. needs. She wants him to be the racehorse, a guy to just race to the finish with her, and she learns, by the end, that if she wants him she's going to need to come his way.

She sacrifices her want of the race to the finish for what she needs, him, even if that means slowing down a bit.

I mean, really, why is it all about Des?

 Yup. She's getting what she wants from Chris and Drew. Assurances and proclamations of love. But what she needs imo is to be with the man she is in love with and I believe returns those feelings even if it is at a slower pace than the others. It actually would mean more to me if i were in that position to know the guy thought it through and even struggled a little because that would show me he is serious about it and when he did say it, I'd know he truly believed it and meant it. TPTB are getting what they want though. My friend (unspoiled) is drinking the :koolaid:and thinks Brooks isn't right for her because he seems so unsure still. She says she should have kept Zak instead since he really loves her. SMH.

Well, love is a two-way street and maybe she needs to learn that. I think it's totally possible she needed to learn that. After all, she only has her brother, who she doesn't seem close to at all, and left her family and has little to do with any of them. She lives a pretty selfish life. Then along comes Brooks who doesn't follow her plans, yet, stick in her craw, she can't get over the fact that she's in love with him. She's waiting, she wants him to start to rush. She's waiting, waiting. And eventually he starts to feel the pressure to the point where he's really questioning everything and might not think he can give her everything she wants, even though he would like to explore further. CH tells him to tell her his problems, knowing how Des has talked and how she'll act. And she can't handle it. It's not what Brooks wanted. He just wanted, hopefully, to get her to see things his way a little. She wants that perfect race to the finish, though. The others are giving her that, for sure. Brooks is left going "This is the worst day of my life. There's nothing I can say." She thinks she doesn't want to love someone who doesn't love her as much. She always loves the wrong guys. She soon learns that if she wants to keep Brooks she's going to need to think of him a little more.

Her learning curve is she learns that if she REALLY wants to be with Brooks she's going to have to bend and give and come his way a little. If she doesn't, she's going to lose him. And he, in turn, learns he loves her, for real, because he thinks he's lost her (like his brother predicted). They both come together, in the end.

While you're doing all this reflecting on what Des needs to do or what Des needed to have done, would you be as kind to remind Brooks that he is on a 10 weeks SHOW and that Des knows the time is limited.. I mean she knows TPTB are on her daily to make sure Brooks is ready to propose to her at the end, so it would be so nice to kindly cut Des a little bit of slack once in a while.

And for the grace of God can you please tell me how you come up with Des lives a selfish life? How do you know it's of her own choosing that she lives in a different state than her parents do? Was she so wrong to move from where they live to try to make a life and have a career of her own? I would frown more on her if she lived in their basement and didn't have a career..

People seem to forget with all this Brooks love that Des has a show to put on and has guidelines to go by. If Brook didn't consider himself ready to fall in love in that length of time then why on earth did he even go on the show???? JMHO!!

Love your post.  AMEN!  I feel that as in some seasons, the lead seems to be a forgotten side matter that can be ragged on when he/she don't fit in with the fave.  I find it so funny how it is Des's fault or Des's problem when it is obvious that Des as the lead is the one that is under tremendous pressure..more so than the guys there for her.  If Brooks, Drew, or Chris can't or won't give her what she needs and wants, then maybe she really does need to take a step back and sort things out.  

If Brooks is the one that is causing all the angst because he isn't willing to committ or has other problems that need to be looked at, then she needs to take that into account.  IF for some reason it is Des that has the problem, then she needs to sort through that too, but to assume and state so harshly that it is Des that needs to do all the reassessment and giving in because of the fanlove for the one guy that they "think" is going through such a hard time with this and it is "only" the guy that is having a hard time and needs to be "forgiven", how fair is that?  I think the blanket statement that was made with regards to how Des is living a selfish life or how Des is the one that needs to give in more...IMO isn't a realistic thing considering SHE is the lead and not the guy that is being "fanloved" on.

Awww thanks so much, Auntie. It just irks me to no end how people put aside Des feelings the way they do. and have tried to make her out to be the bad person here. To judge her the way some have judged her.. Des is only doing what she signed up for. She came on the show to find somebody to fall in love with and she did just that.

Maybe some of the others did say ILY too soon, but they're doing what they signed up for also. Falling in love with Des. Don't anybody get me wrong , I like Brooks, but as I said Brooks didn't sign up for Wheel of Fortune or Price is Right. He signed up for this show.. He knew what he was signing up for and now it's supposed to be Des fault that she fell in love with him. Wow, she would be hung at sunrise if she for some reason hadn't fallen in love with Brooks. I also find it a little eerie that he had to talk to his mom and sister  before realizing he " loves" her.. What would have happened if they didn't have the HTD's? Isn't Brooks 27 or in his late 20's? One would think that he could think and feel for himself enough to know if he loves this woman or not enough to give them a chance.. If not, then he needs to step aside and take himself out of the running and give her a chance to find happines.

NO, I didn't expect him to say ILY until LCD or even at the FRC, but I also didn't expect him to be cooling his jets back home with mommy while the other two that are supposed to get their hearts broken are there to show Des that they are in love with her. So Brooks was afraid he would get hurt.. Does he not think the other two guys had the same fears? What makes him any better than they are?.
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Like I said I really like Brooks or I did, but this has left a bad taste in my mouth.. .. : (. BTW I loved your post, too, Auntie. : )

What really irks me is that people are making these huge stories about Brooks, and we don't even know what goes on. That's what irks me.

[Piper61]

Here's what it says in the PR:

But first Brooks has a heart-to-heart with Chris Harrison. When some shocking news is shared, Chris insists that the bachelor meet with Desiree. What unfolds is one of the most explosive, dramatic and emotional moments in "Bachelorette" history.

Its the "shocking news" I am trying to comprehend...because yes it does seem like he is ready to go after meeting with his family. So what could have happened?! Chris says in the clip are you telling me "I'm not in love with this girl"....which tell me he is more than likely referring to Des. Could it be that he doesn't know if he'll be ready to propose at the end because he takes it so seriously?!

you know, CH also says something about a circumstance that they couldn't have foreseen or something like that. it doesn't make sense that it is about brooks' feelings. he is ready to fall in love and propose after his family talk. i wonder if it is his ex-girlfriend who shows up and that is who CH is asking about if "he is not in love with this girl". brooks opens that door to someone. he wouldn't go talk to CH on his own and there is no reason why CH would show up at his door alone for a chat. i still remember that weird post on here where some woman was dissing brooks and saying it will all come out that he isn't a good guy, blah blah blah sour grapes. if that is what it is i bet she is the same person who emailed RS all the stuff about him kissing the cougar lady while he supposedly had a gf. methinks brooks may have an ex who is still hung up on him and trying to sabotage his relationship on the bach'ette. i know that sounds crazy but brooks isn't behind in his feelings anymore. he's ready for the FD. something or someone happens to cause this trouble.

This, the bolded. That thought has crossed my mind, too. I don't believe that Brooks has any lingering feelings for an ex-GF, but could see the scenario you suggest as a possibility, just not sure of the logistics.

[nannymargie]

Here's what it says in the PR:

But first Brooks has a heart-to-heart with Chris Harrison. When some shocking news is shared, Chris insists that the bachelor meet with Desiree. What unfolds is one of the most explosive, dramatic and emotional moments in "Bachelorette" history.

Its the "shocking news" I am trying to comprehend...because yes it does seem like he is ready to go after meeting with his family. So what could have happened?! Chris says in the clip are you telling me "I'm not in love with this girl"....which tell me he is more than likely referring to Des. Could it be that he doesn't know if he'll be ready to propose at the end because he takes it so seriously?!

you know, CH also says something about a circumstance that they couldn't have foreseen or something like that. it doesn't make sense that it is about brooks' feelings. he is ready to fall in love and propose after his family talk. i wonder if it is his ex-girlfriend who shows up and that is who CH is asking about if "he is not in love with this girl". brooks opens that door to someone. he wouldn't go talk to CH on his own and there is no reason why CH would show up at his door alone for a chat. i still remember that weird post on here where some woman was dissing brooks and saying it will all come out that he isn't a good guy, blah blah blah sour grapes. if that is what it is i bet she is the same person who emailed RS all the stuff about him kissing the cougar lady while he supposedly had a gf. methinks brooks may have an ex who is still hung up on him and trying to sabotage his relationship on the bach'ette. i know that sounds crazy but brooks isn't behind in his feelings anymore. he's ready for the FD. something or someone happens to cause this trouble.

I missed that part about a woman dissing Brooks.  Where can I find this post if anyone can remember?

[nannymargie]

Here's what it says in the PR:

But first Brooks has a heart-to-heart with Chris Harrison. When some shocking news is shared, Chris insists that the bachelor meet with Desiree. What unfolds is one of the most explosive, dramatic and emotional moments in "Bachelorette" history.

Its the "shocking news" I am trying to comprehend...because yes it does seem like he is ready to go after meeting with his family. So what could have happened?! Chris says in the clip are you telling me "I'm not in love with this girl"....which tell me he is more than likely referring to Des. Could it be that he doesn't know if he'll be ready to propose at the end because he takes it so seriously?!

you know, CH also says something about a circumstance that they couldn't have foreseen or something like that. it doesn't make sense that it is about brooks' feelings. he is ready to fall in love and propose after his family talk. i wonder if it is his ex-girlfriend who shows up and that is who CH is asking about if "he is not in love with this girl". brooks opens that door to someone. he wouldn't go talk to CH on his own and there is no reason why CH would show up at his door alone for a chat. i still remember that weird post on here where some woman was dissing brooks and saying it will all come out that he isn't a good guy, blah blah blah sour grapes. if that is what it is i bet she is the same person who emailed RS all the stuff about him kissing the cougar lady while he supposedly had a gf. methinks brooks may have an ex who is still hung up on him and trying to sabotage his relationship on the bach'ette. i know that sounds crazy but brooks isn't behind in his feelings anymore. he's ready for the FD. something or someone happens to cause this trouble.

[atem]

You mean seanfanatic? That name alone was ironic.

[atem]

Guys, the PR says that before he talks to Desiree he speaks with CH first. Now you know darn well that was set up by the show and wasn't Brooks' choice not to go have a date and FD to talk in private.

That talk with his sister and mom was a positive one. They think Desiree is a great match for him.

He has more than one sister and I highly doubt that Jana (the one he talked to) was anything, but supportive of Desiree.

I don't recall it the way it was posted above that Desiree said 'it could be a sister', but that she might be more resevered, because of a protective sister.

[Rolly]

LoveDovez, the thought that Nate ruined it for Des and Sean were her words (after Brooks HTD and Des meets with her brother she says, "...he pretty much ruined it for me.") Probably Sean would not have picked Des anyway but what happened with Nate did not help Des. If Des ends up with Brooks not only was Nate right about Sean not  being  "the ONE" but not being picked by Sean will have led to her love story with Brooks.

[bilolo]

I'm just gonna throw this out there because it's something Des said in an interview that I keep remembering. I can't even remember who the interview was with but they were talking about Nate and how the things that he said and the questions he asked ruined it for Des and Sean last season. The interviewer said something about her brother ruining things and she said  something like "or it could also be a sister". This doesn't seem to fit because it sounds like Brooks' talk with his mom and sister supported his relationship with Des but could some question or theme with his sister make him question things for some reason? When his sister said, "do you always want to be with that person" (I'm not sure I even agree with this because you can love someone and not always want to be with them...). I flashed back to when Brooks said at the beginning of their HTD how great it was to be with her but when they are apart he forgets a little bit....Or maybe something else came up in his talk with his sister that we haven't seen yet that will be a clue to what makes him question things??? We shall see.   

I said this during the HTD episode that his discussion with his sister is the key that CH was talking about but most here said it was the one with his brothers, glad to have someone else

[Beeleever]

Guys, the PR says that before he talks to Desiree he speaks with CH first.  Now you know darn well that was set up by the show and wasn't Brooks' choice not to go have a date and FD to talk in private.

That talk with his sister and mom was a positive one.  They think Desiree is a great match for him.

He has more than one sister and I highly doubt that Jana (the one he talked to) was anything, but supportive of Desiree.

I don't recall it the way it was posted above that Desiree said 'it could be a sister', but that she might be more resevered, because of a protective sister.

 Remember one of the jobs of a handler is to fill in the big guys about what is going down. Something came out at some point for them to arrange this meeting with Chris. He didn't just happen to knock on Brooks door to have a chat with him. This was not about protecting Des. Because if they would have let Brooks tell her off camera, they would have been able to work it out. IMHO.

Just like the convenient way they interrupted Arie and Emily's date to reveal he and Cassie knew each other. The rest of the date was a disaster. Emily couldn't fake her way past it, nor could she get over it.

[Rolly]

Bilolo---the more I think about it I think his sister is key....wouldn't it be great if we were right!!! I usually feel so lost in this spoiling process, it would be nice to figure just one little thing out....  

I can't wait to see the part with his sister and mom. I do get the impression that they like Des and think she would fit with their family but maybe they said something that made him think and have some kind of doubt. (or cute other brother Nate, "can you make her happy for the rest of your life?"   and "thanks for not being a huge waste of our time".) :Clap: 

[atem]

Guys, the PR says that before he talks to Desiree he speaks with CH first.  Now you know darn well that was set up by the show and wasn't Brooks' choice not to go have a date and FD to talk in private.

That talk with his sister and mom was a positive one.  They think Desiree is a great match for him.

He has more than one sister and I highly doubt that Jana (the one he talked to) was anything, but supportive of Desiree.

I don't recall it the way it was posted above that Desiree said 'it could be a sister', but that she might be more resevered, because of a protective sister.

 Remember one of the jobs of a handler is to fill in the big guys about what is going down. Something came out at some point for them to arrange this meeting with Chris. He didn't just happen to knock on Brooks door to have a chat with him. This was not about protecting Des. Because if they would have let Brooks tell her off camera, they would have been able to work it out. IMHO.

Just like the convenient way they interrupted Arie and Emily's date to reveal he and Cassie knew each other. The rest of the date was a disaster. Emily couldn't fake her way past it, nor could she get over it.

Interesting. I recall from that Sweet Home Alabama show how it goes when the lead goes against production. Wasn't pretty.

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