Re: Brooks Forester - Bachelorette 9 Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #13

[sfrank]

Adding the promo -- I think we hear Brooks at the beginning say "THIS IS IT"...I keep remembering Des talk about in the red dress that she "never felt so loved" and never felt like she was never truly loved. If all this doubt is surrounding Brooks I have to wonder if she is talking about Chris?  

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[nannymargie]

nutty made me think of something.  I think that scene with his mom and sister takes place after Desiree leaves and before he goes to the F4 RC.  Brooks said he wanted her to stay, because I think that's when  he feels secure about everything.  I am guessing (and that's all it is) that it's a way to protect his heart not to be rejected first, because of what his father did when he was a pre-teen.  I think that F4 RC set something off in him again that he couldn't handle being rejected again.

That is a good thought.  He has said he has walls built around his heart for whatever reasons.  Dad leaving and breakup with last girlfriend.

Don't you'll think that the conversation with CH is after the melt down and Des is so upset because she is so in love with Brooks.  So CH goes and talks to Brooks to find out what Brooks is feeling and thinking.  That's why he ask "do you love this woman".  Brooks admits he does, so Chris tells him he needs to go and talk to Des and tell her that.  Maybe that is the close up screen cap of Brooks holding Des after he tells her he loves her.  Just a thought to throw out there.  Like we don't have enough.

[sfrank]

^^ The thing that kills me is that she probably would have told him how she felt in the FS  
All he had to do was wait until they were alone and express those feelings. Enjoy being together, why ruin the day?!

Yeah, and why do you think CH had him to Desiree beforehand?  

That's it! WHY did he need to talk to Chris?! It makes no sense...

sorry to barge into this conversation but the bolded bothered me more.....


Desiree is excited to see Brooks and to spend time with him. But first Brooks has a heart-to-heart with Chris Harrison. When some shocking news is shared, Chris insists that the bachelor meet with Desiree. What unfolds is one of the most explosive, dramatic and emotional moments in "Bachelorette" history.

You know what?! Doesn't that seem like it was NOT suppose to be for their FD?! Like Chris made him go to her? As though it was unplanned?

[agentcurls]

nutty made me think of something.  I think that scene with his mom and sister takes place after Desiree leaves and before he goes to the F4 RC.  Brooks said he wanted her to stay, because I think that's when  he feels secure about everything.  I am guessing (and that's all it is) that it's a way to protect his heart not to be rejected first, because of what his father did when he was a pre-teen.  I think that F4 RC set something off in him again that he couldn't handle being rejected again.

I do think that may have been a turning point for him. For all he knows, he could've been in Zak's shoes. And maybe he thinks he could be in his shoes at a later time, when he has already fallen in love. He is protecting his heart, for sure. Very self-aware, that Brooks! :Smiley: he also always seems pleasantly surprised when Des says certain things to him ( like the "running" comment, and making the "our moments" rose).

Could be he's never had as wonderful a girl as Des and is in disbelief that he could have something so great. He's been quite humble actually. So again, he doesn't want to get rejected by that because it would be that much harder for him. Remember what Des said herself , "When Brooks falls in love, he really falls..."

[sfrank]

nutty made me think of something.  I think that scene with his mom and sister takes place after Desiree leaves and before he goes to the F4 RC.  Brooks said he wanted her to stay, because I think that's when  he feels secure about everything.  I am guessing (and that's all it is) that it's a way to protect his heart not to be rejected first, because of what his father did when he was a pre-teen.  I think that F4 RC set something off in him again that he couldn't handle being rejected again.

That is a good thought.  He has said he has walls built around his heart for whatever reasons.  Dad leaving and breakup with last girlfriend.

Don't you'll think that the conversation with CH is after the melt down and Des is so upset because she is so in love with Brooks.  So CH goes and talks to Brooks to find out what Brooks is feeling and thinking.  That's why he ask "do you love this woman".  Brooks admits he does, so Chris tells him he needs to go and talk to Des and tell her that.  Maybe that is the close up screen cap of Brooks holding Des after he tells her he loves her.  Just a thought to throw out there.  Like we don't have enough.

I added the promo - the quote is "Are you telling me I'm NOT in love with this girl?"...Brooks says something to make him ask this question. That's why I think it does have something to do with his feelings or that he can't propose. :greenman:

[agentcurls]

nutty made me think of something.  I think that scene with his mom and sister takes place after Desiree leaves and before he goes to the F4 RC.  Brooks said he wanted her to stay, because I think that's when  he feels secure about everything.  I am guessing (and that's all it is) that it's a way to protect his heart not to be rejected first, because of what his father did when he was a pre-teen.  I think that F4 RC set something off in him again that he couldn't handle being rejected again.

That is a good thought.  He has said he has walls built around his heart for whatever reasons.  Dad leaving and breakup with last girlfriend.

Don't you'll think that the conversation with CH is after the melt down and Des is so upset because she is so in love with Brooks.  So CH goes and talks to Brooks to find out what Brooks is feeling and thinking.  That's why he ask "do you love this woman".  Brooks admits he does, so Chris tells him he needs to go and talk to Des and tell her that.  Maybe that is the close up screen cap of Brooks holding Des after he tells her he loves her.  Just a thought to throw out there.  Like we don't have enough.

 

I like it!!! Seems plausible to me.

[iamreal2u]

The thing that bothers me is this DUMB hashtag promo! #Heloveher and #HeloverherNOT. Ugh!  

Obviously they are going to show us both sides of that....its just like the James promo a few weeks ago #LoveHim or #LeaveHim

Was the hashtag associated with Brooks. When they showed the hashtag it was not on Brooks picture. Did it show anywhere else? Trickery I say...

[Rolly]

I'm just gonna throw this out there because it's something Des said in an interview that I keep remembering. I can't even remember who the interview was with but they were talking about Nate and how the things that he said and the questions he asked ruined it for Des and Sean last season. The interviewer said something about her brother ruining things and she said something like "or it could also be a sister". This doesn't seem to fit because it sounds like Brooks' talk with his mom and sister supported his relationship with Des but could some question or theme with his sister make him question things for some reason? When his sister said, "do you always want to be with that person" (I'm not sure I even agree with this because you can love someone and not always want to be with them...). I flashed back to when Brooks said at the beginning of their HTD how great it was to be with her but when they are apart he forgets a little bit....Or maybe something else came up in his talk with his sister that we haven't seen yet that will be a clue to what makes him question things??? We shall see.  

[LoveDovez]

You know, I hit on this thought in another thread, but why is it all about Brooks having to speed up (something that doesn't seem to be his style) and go Des' way? Maybe it's Des that needs to learn to bend a little and come his. She is racing ahead and he's trying desperately to keep up and she's putting a lot of pressure on him. MAYBE what she learns, the learning curve she refers to, is that she realizes that if she wants him (which she professes she does) she needs to come his way a little bit. Maybe that's what she means by wants vs. needs. She wants him to be the racehorse, a guy to just race to the finish with her, and she learns, by the end, that if she wants him she's going to need to come his way.

She sacrifices her want of the race to the finish for what she needs, him, even if that means slowing down a bit.

I mean, really, why is it all about Des?

 Yup. She's getting what she wants from Chris and Drew. Assurances and proclamations of love. But what she needs imo is to be with the man she is in love with and I believe returns those feelings even if it is at a slower pace than the others. It actually would mean more to me if i were in that position to know the guy thought it through and even struggled a little because that would show me he is serious about it and when he did say it, I'd know he truly believed it and meant it. TPTB are getting what they want though. My friend (unspoiled) is drinking the :koolaid:and thinks Brooks isn't right for her because he seems so unsure still. She says she should have kept Zak instead since he really loves her. SMH.

Well, love is a two-way street and maybe she needs to learn that. I think it's totally possible she needed to learn that. After all, she only has her brother, who she doesn't seem close to at all, and left her family and has little to do with any of them. She lives a pretty selfish life. Then along comes Brooks who doesn't follow her plans, yet, stick in her craw, she can't get over the fact that she's in love with him. She's waiting, she wants him to start to rush. She's waiting, waiting. And eventually he starts to feel the pressure to the point where he's really questioning everything and might not think he can give her everything she wants, even though he would like to explore further. CH tells him to tell her his problems, knowing how Des has talked and how she'll act. And she can't handle it. It's not what Brooks wanted. He just wanted, hopefully, to get her to see things his way a little. She wants that perfect race to the finish, though. The others are giving her that, for sure. Brooks is left going "This is the worst day of my life. There's nothing I can say." She thinks she doesn't want to love someone who doesn't love her as much. She always loves the wrong guys. She soon learns that if she wants to keep Brooks she's going to need to think of him a little more.

Her learning curve is she learns that if she REALLY wants to be with Brooks she's going to have to bend and give and come his way a little. If she doesn't, she's going to lose him. And he, in turn, learns he loves her, for real, because he thinks he's lost her (like his brother predicted). They both come together, in the end.

While you're doing all this reflecting on what Des needs to do or what Des needed to have done, would you be as kind to remind Brooks that he is on a 10 weeks SHOW and that Des knows the time is limited.. I mean she knows TPTB are on her daily to make sure Brooks is ready to propose to her at the end, so it would be so nice to kindly cut Des a little bit of slack once in a while.

And for the grace of God can you please tell me how you come up with Des lives a selfish life? How do you know it's of her own choosing that she lives in a different state than her parents do? Was she so wrong to move from where they live to try to make a life and have a career of her own? I would frown more on her if she lived in their basement and didn't have a career..

People seem to forget with all this Brooks love that Des has a show to put on and has guidelines to go by. If Brook didn't consider himself ready to fall in love in that length of time then why on earth did he even go on the show???? JMHO!!

Love your post.  AMEN!  I feel that as in some seasons, the lead seems to be a forgotten side matter that can be ragged on when he/she don't fit in with the fave.  I find it so funny how it is Des's fault or Des's problem when it is obvious that Des as the lead is the one that is under tremendous pressure..more so than the guys there for her.  If Brooks, Drew, or Chris can't or won't give her what she needs and wants, then maybe she really does need to take a step back and sort things out.  

If Brooks is the one that is causing all the angst because he isn't willing to committ or has other problems that need to be looked at, then she needs to take that into account.  IF for some reason it is Des that has the problem, then she needs to sort through that too, but to assume and state so harshly that it is Des that needs to do all the reassessment and giving in because of the fanlove for the one guy that they "think" is going through such a hard time with this and it is "only" the guy that is having a hard time and needs to be "forgiven", how fair is that?  I think the blanket statement that was made with regards to how Des is living a selfish life or how Des is the one that needs to give in more...IMO isn't a realistic thing considering SHE is the lead and not the guy that is being "fanloved" on.

Awww thanks so much, Auntie. It just irks me to no end how people put aside Des feelings the way they do. and have tried to make her out to be the bad person here. To judge her the way some have judged her.. Des is only doing what she signed up for. She came on the show to find somebody to fall in love with and she did just that.

Maybe some of the others did say ILY too soon, but they're doing what they signed up for also. Falling in love with Des. Don't anybody get me wrong , I like Brooks, but as I said Brooks didn't sign up for Wheel of Fortune or Price is Right. He signed up for this show.. He knew what he was signing up for and now it's supposed to be Des fault that she fell in love with him. Wow, she would be hung at sunrise if she for some reason hadn't fallen in love with Brooks. I also find it a little eerie that he had to talk to his mom and sister before realizing he " loves" her.. What would have happened if they didn't have the HTD's? Isn't Brooks 27 or in his late 20's? One would think that he could think and feel for himself enough to know if he loves this woman or not enough to give them a chance.. If not, then he needs to step aside and take himself out of the running and give her a chance to find happines.

NO, I didn't expect him to say ILY until LCD or even at the FRC, but I also didn't expect him to be cooling his jets back home with mommy while the other two that are supposed to get their hearts broken are there to show Des that they are in love with her. So Brooks was afraid he would get hurt.. Does he not think the other two guys had the same fears? What makes him any better than they are?.
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Like I said I really like Brooks or I did, but this has left a bad taste in my mouth.. .. : (. BTW I loved your post, too, Auntie. : )

[Guest]

Here's what it says in the PR:

But first Brooks has a heart-to-heart with Chris Harrison. When some shocking news is shared, Chris insists that the bachelor meet with Desiree. What unfolds is one of the most explosive, dramatic and emotional moments in "Bachelorette" history.

Its the "shocking news" I am trying to comprehend...because yes it does seem like he is ready to go after meeting with his family. So what could have happened?! Chris says in the clip are you telling me "I'm not in love with this girl"....which tell me he is more than likely referring to Des. Could it be that he doesn't know if he'll be ready to propose at the end because he takes it so seriously?!

you know, CH also says something about a circumstance that they couldn't have foreseen or something like that. it doesn't make sense that it is about brooks' feelings. he is ready to fall in love and propose after his family talk. i wonder if it is his ex-girlfriend who shows up and that is who CH is asking about if "he is not in love with this girl". brooks opens that door to someone. he wouldn't go talk to CH on his own and there is no reason why CH would show up at his door alone for a chat. i still remember that weird post on here where some woman was dissing brooks and saying it will all come out that he isn't a good guy, blah blah blah sour grapes. if that is what it is i bet she is the same person who emailed RS all the stuff about him kissing the cougar lady while he supposedly had a gf. methinks brooks may have an ex who is still hung up on him and trying to sabotage his relationship on the bach'ette. i know that sounds crazy but brooks isn't behind in his feelings anymore. he's ready for the FD. something or someone happens to cause this trouble.

[Piper61]

The thing that bothers me is this DUMB hashtag promo! #Heloveher and #HeloverherNOT. Ugh!  

Obviously they are going to show us both sides of that....its just like the James promo a few weeks ago #LoveHim or #LeaveHim

It's so cliche. "He loves me, he loves me not" said while picking petals off of a daisy. With the edit Brooks has been getting, it's not surprising but is it based on something concrete? For now, I'm going with "no."

[LoveDovez]

I'm just gonna throw this out there because it's something Des said in an interview that I keep remembering. I can't even remember who the interview was with but they were talking about Nate and how the things that he said and the questions he asked ruined it for Des and Sean last season. The interviewer said something about her brother ruining things and she said  something like "or it could also be a sister". This doesn't seem to fit because it sounds like Brooks' talk with his mom and sister supported his relationship with Des but could some question or theme with his sister make him question things for some reason? When his sister said, "do you always want to be with that person" (I'm not sure I even agree with this because you can love someone and not always want to be with them...). I flashed back to when Brooks said at the beginning of their HTD how great it was to be with her but when they are apart he forgets a little bit....Or maybe something else came up in his talk with his sister that we haven't seen yet that will be a clue to what makes him question things??? We shall see.   

I hate when they say Nate ruined things for Des last season.. Nate didn't ruin anything. Sean just wasn't that into Des by then and Nate picked up on it. That doesn't mean he ruined things by calling Sean out about it. Who to say 100% that he would have given Des a rose had things gone peachy??..

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