Re: Bachelorette 7 - THE EDIT - Thread #1

[Trueloveforever]

I see that the RS blog has everybody swinging back and forth on the outcome. While I’m pinning that he is correct with a JP finale, I’m fully prepared to be proven wrong, so I’m looking for as many pro-Ben F. clues as possible…

One thing that could suggest Ben F. being F1 is that too much may be edited out... if there's stuff to be edited. A bunch of guys in the last rose ceremony were teary eyed... including both Ben F. and JP, so obviously JP was not the only one “on Cloud 9”. Now, does this mean that Ben had alone time with her as well? This could echo Roberto's time with Ali in Iceland's Blue Lagoon, which was shown in a recap at finale time but not in episode #5…. Edits! Edits! Edits!

Then again, Ben did raise his hand when asked if he didn’t get time with her… post Las Vegas.

One thing that leaped out at me as somehow important to The Story was William’s role in the JP versus Ben dynamic (both of whom had to wait mighty late to get their roses in the ceremony while Will was gleefully on the sidelines). He had, of course, received the “shotgun wedding test” to check his own “assertiveness” (a popular word this season… drink!). He went into his aggressive George Bush impersonation and got on West’s nerves; West is the one we’ve only seen SITTING all episode (like his compass)… even while Ben himself was supervising some dances. (Yes, Ben does take the initiative on SOME things.) What made this situation even more interesting is that William went into his speech after JP yanked Ashley aside with the “we’ve got to talk”... and you saw how she cooed about being grabbed like that. Then… to make the point even more clear… William repeated a similar stunt, much to everybody’s disgust! He even initiated a kiss just like JP (but without a coin) and she kissed him back like she did JP! (OK… maybe she pulled away at first before going back into it. At least she didn’t wipe her mouth like she did with Benchley.)

I have the feeling Ben C… the other Ben… will be tested in the next episode. In this past episode, he says he is going to be “assertive” (drink!). Like William, he will be kissing her in front of a crowd. Unfortunately, Jeff has yet to pass his test of removing his mask. Ames is another sitter I’ve picked up on… but he may prove different later. Did notice how his face comes up during Will’s Bush imitation… as if Will was talking to him, the big seen the world marathon man. On the plus side, Ames did ask stubborn Jeff if he would ever take off his mask.

So far, JP, William (despite having a “stopped” watch) and Ryan P. are coming across as the “characters making the moves” in our little mini-drama, although Ryan’s “story” is already developing in a different direction in that he’s no longer trying to be “first” and is blending in with the other sit-downers. One area he is taking action in is acidic commentary… first Tim having “fruitful conversations”, then ragging on Masked Jeff.

Unfortunately, we already are seeing Ben F following Ryan’s lead here, since he participates in some of the ridicule. Now, JP commented on “the situation”, if not specifically “the person”, when he voice-overed living with “a” masked man was creepy (paraphrasing here), but we have clearly seen him talking to Jeff as well... so he isn’t that creeped out. I don’t recall seeing him in these little group “dishings” like I have Ben, but somebody can correct me here.

This “better editing” of JP reminds me a little of the Chris L. versus Roberto business last year… both were concerned about Kasey doing something harmful to himself, but we only heard Chris make the unicorn cracks. Roberto did rag a bit on “Weatherman” but was also seen consoling him when he was upset. Backtracking to Jillian’s season, another F1, Ed, had his call-out from the window to Wes deleted from preview to show… they may have left his drunk scenes in “Men Tell All”, but earlier in the season, he was edited as one of her “good boys”.

My favorite scene with Ben on the last show was his observing Nick dance with Ashley. We already saw his talent in this area. Ashley herself commented on testing the guys’ abilities to move on the group date (without... oddly… JP): “If he can’t dance and he tries, I think it’s very cute, but if he can dance, you know what that means: good times on the dance floor…” (Quick check: no dance comments with Ben at the alphabet board, but for JP: I'm not opposed to it but I don't necessarily "like" it. I have always wanted to learn to salsa.)

Fun useless information…

How Ashley’s boys did at their second rose ceremony:[/b][/b]
Constantine: I will (2nd one to get it after stubborn West)
Ryan: Absolutely (drink to absolutely!)
Ames: Gladly
JP: That’s what I’m talking about! Absolutely (drink to absolutely!)
Ben: Phew… I was sweatin’ there. I will.

Looks like somebody is gonna get lucky during the Amazing Week of Dates planned for next week… [/b]
It was an absolutely unbelievable night! (drink to absolutely!)

How Ashley’s boys describe their “journey” in preview voiceovers:[/b]
Ames: There is no more romantic landscape than Thailand.
Ben F: It feels good to be on the path to love.
Constantine: The way I feel with Ashley, I just haven’t felt that way before with anybody else.
Ryan P: I hope to finally find love in the blue waters of Fiji.
JP: Fiji would be the perfect ending to my love story. My only fear is getting hurt again.
JP: Every time we see each other, it just gets better and better and better.
JP: Any doubts that I had before? Gone!
JP: The chemistry is beyond picking up. It’s exploding.
JP: If you can’t find romance in this kind of environment, you’re hopeless. (really curious when this line was recorded)

Love those VOs from JP!! :missclap:

[Alanna]

JP doesn't say he's afraid of getting hurt again, that's Ryan, probably when he comes back to Fiji.

As for this:

What made this situation even more interesting is that William went into his speech after JP yanked Ashley aside with the “we’ve got to talk”... and you saw how she cooed about being grabbed like that. Then… to make the point even more clear… William repeated a similar stunt, much to everybody’s disgust! He even initiated a kiss just like JP (but without a coin) and she kissed him back like she did JP! (OK… maybe she pulled away at first before going back into it. At least she didn’t wipe her mouth like she did with Benchley.)

I think it's what she's looking for. She loved it when Bentley did it too. In fact, she was "speechless."

[JBF]

JP doesn't say he's afraid of getting hurt again, that's Ryan, probably when he comes back to Fiji.

As for this:

What made this situation even more interesting is that William went into his speech after JP yanked Ashley aside with the “we’ve got to talk”... and you saw how she cooed about being grabbed like that. Then… to make the point even more clear… William repeated a similar stunt, much to everybody’s disgust! He even initiated a kiss just like JP (but without a coin) and she kissed him back like she did JP! (OK… maybe she pulled away at first before going back into it. At least she didn’t wipe her mouth like she did with Benchley.)

I think it's what she's looking for. She loved it when Bentley did it too. In fact, she was "speechless."

Thanks for all the positive feedback, y'all! About that JP or Ryan line... think RS oopsied on a blog about it and got some comments. Go back to the introductions in episode #1. I think the section is on youtube ("Ashley Heberts Bachelors" by Codebear4). Ryan and JP are both introduced side by side so you can compare their voices and phrases.

[JBF]

Thanks for all the positive feedback, y'all! About that JP or Ryan line... think RS oopsied on a blog about it and got some comments. Go back to the introductions in episode #1. I think the section is on youtube ("Ashley Heberts Bachelors" by Codebear4). Ryan and JP are both introduced side by side so you can compare their voices and phrases.

I forgot to mention... on another message board (unspoiled), there's been much confusion over the voiceovers. So many are thought to be Ryan, but I can easily tell them apart because JP sounds a little more like Jason Mesnick (and some may even suspect he could wind up like Jason in Deanna's season since some lines sound a little too confident). In addition, many of his voice-overs sound suspiciously like they were recorded at the same time (and I wouldn't rule out the possibility of post-filming or finale recordings too). There isn't much difference in audio.

I also believe that we are hearing JP in next week's preview... in audio over scenes with Ben C. ... and following Ashley's comments about finding a husband. They are playing games with us in the previews.

Obviously, none of us should jump to conclusions and I have guessed the outcome wrong plenty of times before, but the case for JP making it to the end keeps increasing the more I study this. Constantine's line sounds like it is lifted from a family conversation on a hometown date, since he is clearly talking to somebody other than Private Interview Guy. In one of Ben's scenes, we hear Ashley say she is happy... and this certainly supports his case to some degree... and why not? He's in the final two supposedly. However, only JP is getting multiple voiceovers. We just don't SEE him very much.

Now, my question is why bother hiding JP in this peculiar way if he'll get dumped anyway?

In regards to the limo alteration... it is true that "they" know some of us will notice something different about the TV Grapevine preview order. Maybe, they altered JP's arrival time and deleted his "best for last" comment strictly to fool the sleuthers. Yet this is rather extreme...

Add to this the altered 1 on 1 inserted just before Bentley. Remember the Average Viewer is always more important in the long un than a poster at this forum spoiling away.

[JBF]

Silly me... I posted that last one three time by accident!

[happyvalleygirl]

Silly me... I posted that last one three time by accident!

Thanks for the analysis JBF!! Great job~~ :Nod: :Nod: :missclap: :missclap: :missclap:

[Admin]

I always love reading what you have to say JBF. Keep the thoughts coming!!

[Love_Me]

I listened with my new earphones and you can clearly hear J.P and Ryan's voices in the preview to the season when they show Fiji.

[Love_Me]

I hear in the previews J.P say..... Everytime we see eachother it just gets, better and better and better.... Any doubts that I thought I had before are now gone. Anyone else?

[Bloomers]

JP doesn't say he's afraid of getting hurt again, that's Ryan, probably when he comes back to Fiji.

As for this:

What made this situation even more interesting is that William went into his speech after JP yanked Ashley aside with the “we’ve got to talk”... and you saw how she cooed about being grabbed like that. Then… to make the point even more clear… William repeated a similar stunt, much to everybody’s disgust! He even initiated a kiss just like JP (but without a coin) and she kissed him back like she did JP! (OK… maybe she pulled away at first before going back into it. At least she didn’t wipe her mouth like she did with Benchley.)

I think it's what she's looking for. She loved it when Bentley did it too. In fact, she was "speechless."

Perhaps, psychologically, Ashley finds the idea of being "mastered" by a man thrilling. Man, I hope she grows out of this. After all of the classic novels and probably 2,000 contemporary type romantic novels, the middle-aged Bloomers finds that idea abhorent.
Good grief, girl, you have worked hard to get where you are in life; you can still be feminine without being subservient.

[Alanna]

JP doesn't say he's afraid of getting hurt again, that's Ryan, probably when he comes back to Fiji.

As for this:

What made this situation even more interesting is that William went into his speech after JP yanked Ashley aside with the “we’ve got to talk”... and you saw how she cooed about being grabbed like that. Then… to make the point even more clear… William repeated a similar stunt, much to everybody’s disgust! He even initiated a kiss just like JP (but without a coin) and she kissed him back like she did JP! (OK… maybe she pulled away at first before going back into it. At least she didn’t wipe her mouth like she did with Benchley.)

I think it's what she's looking for. She loved it when Bentley did it too. In fact, she was "speechless."

Perhaps, psychologically, Ashley finds the idea of being "mastered" by a man thrilling. Man, I hope she grows out of this. After all of the classic novels and probably 2,000 contemporary type romantic novels, the middle-aged Bloomers finds that idea abhorent.
Good grief, girl, you have worked hard to get where you are in life; you can still be feminine without being subservient.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous, but I guess those are the kinds of Bettes Fleiss finds? Look at Jillian, Ali, and now Ashley? Jillian wanted Ed to take care of "little Jilly," who knows what kind of nonsense Ali got up to for Roberto's attention/caring, and now Ashley is taking over the reigns with her own brand of crazy. Maybe she'll get lucky like Ali- a guy who plays along but actually respects her as an equal partner? I really hope. She's awesome.

[mnmhughes]

Maybe she just likes it when a guy takes the initiative. Just because she's the Bachelorette doesn't mean that she wants to be in charge all the time. Isn't it natural for a woman to enjoy it when the man occasionally makes the first move?

I don't mean to be going from forum to forum and defending Ashley, but I think she's doing fine, she's just not as good as some of the other Bettes at hiding her vulnerability and such.

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