Re: Episode 5 - 6/20 - Discussion - Thread #1

[Jeepers]

Here are my guesses as to the identity of the bachelors on Episode 5 in parenthesis:

An air of anxiety hangs over the cocktail party as Ashley discovers she is having difficulty connecting with the men. She receives comfort from one enthusiastic bachelor (Ryan P.), but is hurt by another suitor who confesses he is not sure how strongly he feels about her ( Blake or Constantine). Not even a romantic talk with one sweet bachelor can ease her mind( Ben C or JP).

Ben C would have been eliminated at the 2-1

I think it's JP because it seems he gets her whenever she's unhappy/needy/insecure and heading for a breakdown. Lucky guy! :awesome:

Yep! I can see TPTB now: "Guys, we're losing her! She's gone over the edge! Send in the cupcake!"

SPEW!!! You owe me some screen cleaner :giggle:

[Guest]

Here are my guesses as to the identity of the bachelors on Episode 5 in parenthesis:

An air of anxiety hangs over the cocktail party as Ashley discovers she is having difficulty connecting with the men. She receives comfort from one enthusiastic bachelor (Ryan P.), but is hurt by another suitor who confesses he is not sure how strongly he feels about her ( Blake or Constantine). Not even a romantic talk with one sweet bachelor can ease her mind( Ben C or JP).

Ben C would have been eliminated at the 2-1

I think it's JP because it seems he gets her whenever she's unhappy/needy/insecure and heading for a breakdown. Lucky guy! :awesome:

Yep! I can see TPTB now: "Guys, we're losing her! She's gone over the edge! Send in the cupcake!"

SPEW!!! You owe me some screen cleaner :giggle:

Haha that made my night! So hilarious!

[bing2262]

[quote="Love_Me"]

but is hurt by another suitor who confesses he is not sure how strongly he feels about her

My guess is going to be Nick and that is why he is sent home. Otherwise, I don't understand why she would keep someone around who says that to her at this point.[/quote


Another possibility is Micky. We really have not seen much interaction with Ashley after their 1-1 date.

[Kelad9]

I think the JP screencap wasn't in Fiji but in Thailand because I see candles similar to what's in that screencap in the photos for the Bamboo House which happens to be in Phuket or Chiang Mai. There are a lot of Bamboo type places in Chiang Mai. Might be why we can't find anything in Fiji and why the rooms look small.
http://www.sawadee.com/hotel/phuket/bamboohouse/

& yup I think it's definately thailand after looking at the upcoming ep pics. JP is wearing that same blue shirt when Ashley is showing them how to box.

An air of anxiety hangs over the cocktail party as Ashley discovers she is having difficulty connecting with the men. She receives comfort from one enthusiastic bachelor (Ryan P.), but is hurt by another suitor who confesses he is not sure how strongly he feels about her ( Blake or Constantine). Not even a romantic talk with one sweet bachelor can ease her mind( Ben C or JP).

I would say all of the above sounds like it could be JP and that TPTB could be playing word tricks on us. I'd think if she wasn't feeling it much with the other guys except for Ryan P and Ben F, that she wouldn't be hurt and JP seems like the only one to have romantic talks that wouldn't ease her mind. I'm still thinking about that VO that says she's afraid of whoever she's falling for being another bentley.

[Admin]

I cannot wait for the show tonight! I am really looking forward to seeing Ashley and Ben's 1-1 date. I want to see more of him!

I also hope we get to see Ashley and JP at the pre-rose ceremony (like in the cap we have) =)

[Guest]

I cannot wait for the show tonight! I am really looking forward to seeing Ashley and Ben's 1-1 date. I want to see more of him!

I also hope we get to see Ashley and JP at the pre-rose ceremony (like in the cap we have) =)

Where did that SC come from? Season premiere peview?

[Admin]

I cannot wait for the show tonight! I am really looking forward to seeing Ashley and Ben's 1-1 date. I want to see more of him!

I also hope we get to see Ashley and JP at the pre-rose ceremony (like in the cap we have) =)

Where did that SC come from? Season premiere peview?

It's in this video called, Ashley is blown away by Chang Mai at the 0:53 mark. :D

[anders]

I found, after rewatching the group date, JP making very similar types of comments as past F2s have made and really close to the kind that Chris L would make. Per this past week I would put Ben as f1 and JP as f2 based on his comments and some behavior as well

That is another reason why I am doubting that JP is F1.........waaaay too many comments made by JP that belongs to a F2 edit. That and I have always had a healthy sceptism when it comes to RS and his final 1 spoilers..........he has been wrong more than right.

Agreed - JP could be F1 but right now he's not getting a F1 edit. This season is proving to be difficult to determine a f1 from the edit, but I'm hoping once it's down to F4 and the majority of the drama is over that things start to fall into place - especially after Bentley is permanently gone.

Actually, I did the numbers and RS has been right 60% of the time - he was right about Jason dumping Melissa for Molly, right that Jake picked Vienna, right that Chris L was F2, wrong that Ali was single and wrong that Chantal was F1.

Didn't RS say that no one was chosen with Ali's season and he was sticking to it, then later, changed his mind, after it was proven on Fort that she did choose Roberto and Chris L was F2, then he said that HE found that out.........as far as I am concerned with his scores, he has only been right with Jason/Melissa/Molly. Other than that, he either didn't have it right or continually changed his mind. Therefore I am really taking his info with a grain of salt and making my own assumptions/observations. I really do feel from what my sources have provided that something's up with the final 1...........we have sc of Ryan in Fiji, we have a voice over of him there as well. We have a SC of what we are assuming to be Constantine per the shorts he wore in Phuket, at a waterfall in Fiji, we have other sources than RS confirming that we have HTD's for Constantine and Ben. We have no confirmed htd for Ames and JP, no confirmed JP sitings/sc's in Fiji, just a VO. IMO, we have a lot holes to be filled. and properly sleuthed out.

correct me if I'm wrong, but he was right when he said Chris L was F2 and he was right when he said Jake picked Vienna - I don't intend to argue, only that he has been more right than wrong - and because he has been wrong we all have to take his info with a grain of salt and continue to sleuth - I'm not sold that JP is F1, he could be, but I'm not seeing it.

He said nothing about who was the one chosen during Ali's season..........he said she chose NO ONE, then changed his mind a few days after it was sleuthed on fort that she did choose someone and it was Roberto. I do believe that he did have it right from the beginning with Jake and Vienna. That's my point.........I am looking at who he said from the beginning and not who he changed his mind about at a later date.........

and if you read the bolded you'll see that's exactly what I said. We're both right - why are you harping on this?

I am "harping on" about it as there are some on here that are defending RS and I feel he is more wrong than right!!!!!

Nope, he's been right 50% of the time, and wrong 50% of the time, he was right about Jason and Jake, he was wrong about Ali and Brad - and that doesn't even include all the things he was right about when it came to group dates, who was on them, who got roses, who got sent home on 1:1 and 2:1 dates. So technically he has been more right than wrong.

[anders]

How do we know he doesn't have the F2 right?

That's kinda what I was trying to say before.........if my sources are right, RS may definately not have the right F2.

As I see it, we only have this info:

We have a VO of Ryan and a sc of him in Fiji
We have a Vo of JP and now a sc of him in Fiji
We have a sc of a guy jumping into the waterfall in fiji in orange trunks...........the orange trunks were seen on Chris, Matt and Constantine so who say's that there were no orange trunks in someone else's grab bag.

:con1:
As long as we keep in mind that that is all the concrete information we have been given, we will fill in the gaps as it comes. RS may be completely right on everything he has said, but refrigeratorgate proved that his sourses can be wrong and he is susceptible to misinfomation. Last season there was a concerted effort to thwart RS. Whether that is true this season is yet to be seen.

Thanks jelle...........as far as I can see it, this is the only "concrete" info that we do have. The rest of it, including RS's info is secondary and should be treated like that until we find more "concrete" info to back it up.

Unfortunately, MF has been stingy this season and hasn't offered up any HTD, FD or LCD SCs (except for the cliff jumping which I dont' think anyone can say definitively who that is). I'm hoping we get more tonight since it's midway through the season - hopefully we can put the F4 to bed with concrete SC evidence.

[gurlbrit]

Here you go Molly:

I don't think the flowers in the vases are an exact match, but do the candle holders look the same in these?
I say these are both PI's from while they are in Fiji.

I am not saying that this isn't in Fiji, but the sc of JP is definitely not in the same room, or type room as Ashley is in. It appears Ashley is in a room at Namale Resort(in comparison to past sc id's) and I have not been able to place JP at Namle resort. The wall caning in JP's sc is much more rustic--like a hut.
As far as those candle votives--those are pretty generic and can be supplied by any florist just about anywhere.
Again, not saying the sc of JP is not in Fiji, just that I would love to pin down the "where".

The bamboo behind JP is a screen, you can see the edges. Sorry if someone has already mentioned this. The flowers are different too.

[CarrieA]

Here you go Molly:

I don't think the flowers in the vases are an exact match, but do the candle holders look the same in these?
I say these are both PI's from while they are in Fiji.

I am not saying that this isn't in Fiji, but the sc of JP is definitely not in the same room, or type room as Ashley is in. It appears Ashley is in a room at Namale Resort(in comparison to past sc id's) and I have not been able to place JP at Namle resort. The wall caning in JP's sc is much more rustic--like a hut.
As far as those candle votives--those are pretty generic and can be supplied by any florist just about anywhere.
Again, not saying the sc of JP is not in Fiji, just that I would love to pin down the "where".

The bamboo behind JP is a screen, you can see the edges. Sorry if someone has already mentioned this. The flowers are different too.

We are back to thinking that this could be in Chiang Mai because of the candle covers(?). They were matched with another SC from there with someone else and the same candle decor.

[Diana]

So William goes home tonight? :(

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