Re: Episode 5 - 6/20 - Discussion - Thread #1

by mnmhughes Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:14 pm

Everyone is allowed to express their opinions, even if it differs from yours. This site is so wonderful! Thank you, Love_me and San!

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by CarrieA Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:23 pm

I don't think most people hold RS very high on their list of people to trust when it comes to the outcome of the show. (At least I don't) It's just another bit to add to the pile in my book.

I also just wanted to throw out the fact that I really don't care who "wins" this season, Bentley has worn me out physically and emotionally. Obviously I like the story I can see with JP (because I can actually see it compared to Ben) but that doesn't mean that he has to win for me to be a happy camper. As long as Ashley can walk away and become successful in whatever she wanted from this experience I will be a happy camper.

JMO, obviously. yes

by mnmhughes Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:24 pm

CarrieAlexander wrote:I don't think most people hold RS very high on their list of people to trust when it comes to the outcome of the show. (At least I don't) It's just another grain or salt to add to the pile in my book.

I also just wanted to throw out the fact that I really don't care who "wins" this season, Bentley has worn me out physically and emotionally. Obviously I like the story I can see with JP (because I can actually see it compared to Ben) but that doesn't mean that he has to win for me to be a happy camper. As long as Ashley can walk away and become successful in whatever she wanted from this experience I will be a happy camper.

And I hope she can get some sort of redemption too. I just feel really bad for her right now. I'm glad none of my stupid dating mistakes have been broadcast on national television for everyone to comment on.

by Guest Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:33 pm

mnmhughes wrote:
CarrieAlexander wrote:I don't think most people hold RS very high on their list of people to trust when it comes to the outcome of the show. (At least I don't) It's just another grain or salt to add to the pile in my book.

I also just wanted to throw out the fact that I really don't care who "wins" this season, Bentley has worn me out physically and emotionally. Obviously I like the story I can see with JP (because I can actually see it compared to Ben) but that doesn't mean that he has to win for me to be a happy camper. As long as Ashley can walk away and become successful in whatever she wanted from this experience I will be a happy camper.

And I hope she can get some sort of redemption too. I just feel really bad for her right now. I'm glad none of my stupid dating mistakes have been broadcast on national television for everyone to comment on.

I don't care if shes's engaged as long as she's happy at the end of this mess. And I think both of the F2 are awesome guys from what we've seen, so I'll be happy if she chooses either one as long as they choose her back. After all this, I hope she and her F1 at the very least get to have a happy romance for however long they can both enjoy it - anything more coming from it will be icing on the cake.

by Guest Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:34 pm

Talking about the wonky edit and it's foreboding ~ someone mentioned Frank.

Well, Frank, having a g/f and wanting to go home to her, was all the story from before the HTD's til the FD's in Tahiti and promoted in all the previews. Ali was pretty upset and crying and said she so wanted to go on the FD with Frank and she was devastated. He was the F3 and many felt default F2.

But in the end, now with great hindsight lol...we see Roberto and Ali's editing and feelings were strong and Frank was a non issue. So that wonky edit issue (Ali may have wanted Frank as F1 & was devastated when he left) never came to fruition to cause problems for Ali and Roberto. imo

I think they are just playing up Bentley more than Frank because Bentely is truly a s.o.b. and not attracted to Ashley one bit. Frank was attracted to Ali, he just still loved Michele and realized it during the show and they are still together and happy, so it wasn't an act. He didn't want to go to Tahiti and be in the F3, but TPTB made him for ratings. That's all they care about.

by Guest Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:44 pm

[quote="pavalygurl"]

mnmhughes wrote:
BachFanInOrl wrote:Thanks for your insight Bloomers. It makes total sense and only time will tell. Unfortunately the odds are against them from the get go anyways.

I hope the F1 has a well-thought-out response to the question he's going to be asked most after this is all over: "What do you think about Bentley? More importantly, what do you think about Ashley's reaction to Bentley?"
I have a feeling after this is all said and done, we're still going to be hearing more about Bentley than anyone else. [/quote]

Which really "chaps my azz" as JP would say.

by Guest Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:50 pm

Coastal wrote:
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Jeepers wrote:I found, after rewatching the group date, JP making very similar types of comments as past F2s have made and really close to the kind that Chris L would make. Per this past week I would put Ben as f1 and JP as f2 based on his comments and some behavior as well
That is another reason why I am doubting that JP is F1.........waaaay too many comments made by JP that belongs to a F2 edit. That and I have always had a healthy sceptism when it comes to RS and his final 1 spoilers..........he has been wrong more than right.

Agreed - JP could be F1 but right now he's not getting a F1 edit. This season is proving to be difficult to determine a f1 from the edit, but I'm hoping once it's down to F4 and the majority of the drama is over that things start to fall into place - especially after Bentley is permanently gone.

Actually, I did the numbers and RS has been right 60% of the time - he was right about Jason dumping Melissa for Molly, right that Jake picked Vienna, right that Chris L was F2, wrong that Ali was single and wrong that Chantal was F1.

Didn't RS say that no one was chosen with Ali's season and he was sticking to it, then later, changed his mind, after it was proven on Fort that she did choose Roberto and Chris L was F2, then he said that HE found that out.........as far as I am concerned with his scores, he has only been right with Jason/Melissa/Molly. Other than that, he either didn't have it right or continually changed his mind. Therefore I am really taking his info with a grain of salt and making my own assumptions/observations. I really do feel from what my sources have provided that something's up with the final 1...........we have sc of Ryan in Fiji, we have a voice over of him there as well. We have a SC of what we are assuming to be Constantine per the shorts he wore in Phuket, at a waterfall in Fiji, we have other sources than RS confirming that we have HTD's for Constantine and Ben. We have no confirmed htd for Ames and JP, no confirmed JP sitings/sc's in Fiji, just a VO. IMO, we have a lot holes to be filled. and properly sleuthed out.

correct me if I'm wrong, but he was right when he said Chris L was F2 and he was right when he said Jake picked Vienna - I don't intend to argue, only that he has been more right than wrong - and because he has been wrong we all have to take his info with a grain of salt and continue to sleuth - I'm not sold that JP is F1, he could be, but I'm not seeing it.

He said nothing about who was the one chosen during Ali's season..........he said she chose NO ONE, then changed his mind a few days after it was sleuthed on fort that she did choose someone and it was Roberto. I do believe that he did have it right from the beginning with Jake and Vienna. That's my point.........I am looking at who he said from the beginning and not who he changed his mind about at a later date.........

and if you read the bolded you'll see that's exactly what I said. We're both right - why are you harping on this?
I am "harping on" about it as there are some on here that are defending RS and I feel he is more wrong than right!!!!!

I give him about a 50/50... BUT one thing is for sure. This season has been the season he as been the most vague on! Wouldn't you all agree? Last season he had the ending wrong yes... but he about nailed every detail of what happened before that. This season, RS' excuse was "who cares about the details, I'll just tell you who goes home". I thought that was bizarre because he LOVED the fact that he had every detail down to the color of the guys underpants.

I thought that was kinda fishy. And I know that Fleiss would love to foil him again too! One more thing that I just thought of... Brad made fun of RS in one interview saying "He [RS] really knows his stuff" when asked if the Chantal spoiler was true. Didn't Ashley just take a stab at the "tabloids credibility" on Leno? It may be nothing... but I thought I'd mention it. Sorry for the long winded post!

by klarson79 Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:58 pm

Coastal wrote:
I am "harping on" about it as there are some on here that are defending RS and I feel he is more wrong than right!!!!!

I would disagree with this....like him or not, if you look at the whole picture and whole seasons...he is DEFINITELY more right than wrong!

by CarrieA Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:06 pm

I was just thinking and I think that have finally figured it out. Instead of doing adrenalin dates physically they are doing them emotionally using Bentley. JP just happens to be the lucky contestant to pick up the pieces and deal with the wrath of it. Instead of throwing them out of a plane they smash the plane into Ashley's heart (emotionally)

by Kashathediva Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:34 pm

klarson79 wrote:
Coastal wrote:
I am "harping on" about it as there are some on here that are defending RS and I feel he is more wrong than right!!!!!

I would disagree with this....like him or not, if you look at the whole picture and whole seasons...he is DEFINITELY more right than wrong!

I agree with you. Most of us would be happy to have his track record. I know when any of us get a crumb of something right--we congratulate each other on our finds(and we should yes

) So getting a whole hunk right is something to crow about--maybe he could crow a bit less loudly or with a bit more grace... :Nod:
And let's not forget, he did eat some of that crow last season. I could hear the bones crunch as he chewed, did anyone else? affraid

by Guest Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:58 pm

klarson79 wrote:
Coastal wrote:
I am "harping on" about it as there are some on here that are defending RS and I feel he is more wrong than right!!!!!

I would disagree with this....like him or not, if you look at the whole picture and whole seasons...he is DEFINITELY more right than wrong!

Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The only ones that he had right without correcting himself are Jason with the Molly/Melissa situation and Jake's season.

by klarson79 Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:07 am

Coastal wrote:
klarson79 wrote:
Coastal wrote:
I am "harping on" about it as there are some on here that are defending RS and I feel he is more wrong than right!!!!!

I would disagree with this....like him or not, if you look at the whole picture and whole seasons...he is DEFINITELY more right than wrong!

Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The only ones that he had right without correcting himself are Jason with the Molly/Melissa situation and Jake's season.

I'm not just talking about the F1 or F2...I'm talking about how he has laid out this entire season (and many past seasons) date for date, location for location, elimination for elimination and been right. That is more right than wrong in my opinion.

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