Re: Bachelorette 7 - THE EDIT - Thread #2

[nutty1]

Nutty, I think referring to Ash as a 'prize' is a pretty loose use of the term. LOL! I do think she can be awesome in a relationship but only with a really loving, doting man. Of course I'm having fun rooting for the Cupcake Duo but I'll just be happy if she finds that loving guy on the show in the form of anyone- Ryan, Ben, or JP.

haha, I was thinking that when I wrote it!

[Guest]

I don't see a happily ever after, no matter who she picks.

Maybe happily ever after for Ashley is a 2-3 month fling, a stint on DWTS, and starting her dental practice wherever she darned well pleases.

[anders]

I don't see a happily ever after, no matter who she picks.

Maybe happily ever after for Ashley is a 2-3 month fling, a stint on DWTS, and starting her dental practice wherever she darned well pleases.

maybe so. :awesome: :Nod:

wedding bells

[pavalygurl]

Things that I question: - in favor of Ben
Ashley says she likes surprises.
Ashley says (I think ep 2 - around Mickey's date) if someone could dance that would be a real added benefit - she really sparkled when she said this - can Ben dance?
But - she says (after she has kissed Ben) in ep 4 that JP kisses the best of all - ??
Ben saying it is like being on cloud 9 - could he have said it with any less enthusiasm ?
Lack of body language between Ashley and Ben. Is he really that shy - or is really guarded and being very careful about letting himself go - or is he not interested and playing a role of being a safe F2 - not going to push the kissing etc in the fantasy suite (does he realize that JP is the one she is falling for ?)
JP being pictured standing next to Ashley for first night group photo - odd - as people have said JP is way too obvious.
Cupcake talk first night - seemed planned to me. As well as the flipping of the coin. If JP is the one she is interested in - looks kind of bad for Ashley to be saying she so much has Bentley on her mind - where does that leave JP? Is it a case where she has to rid herself of Bentley - and then go in for Ben?
The umbrella references - JP not only gets her wet - but he drops her .... is this important ?
Ashley has very little time to get to know these guys - first date - yes exhausted and emotional - but she falls asleep with JP - not a very good use of your time ...
Ashley is very playful with Ben - the group date pre-rose talk and the mental kiss scene. Is this the real Ashley ?
Things to ponder ---

I listed some voiceovers in the JP thread yesterday in reply to a JBF post. I don't know how to bring it over here, but they are for tonight's date and have Ashley VO saying what I think are key things related to Ben.

[noobsleuth]

ITA with The fact that JP is shown as being waaaay into Ash DOES NOT FIT F1 edit and criteria. More like a F2 edit.

that's what I can't shake either. Even Roberto's chemistry was downplayed. Jesse was the darkhorse who came out nowhere. Granted those seasons had their distractions (Frank and Graham respectively) but TPTB went to great lengths to hide the connection the lead had with each for quite a few episodes.

It does seem to me to be an f2 edit similar to Chantals edit last season IMO. But as of now, I cannot see anyone with an F1 edit. In fact, the rest of this case is basically not getting any sort of edit pattern at all.
JPs f2 'ish edit may change to F1 once the whole Bentley thing is done. They will leave in more PIs etc re the emotional connection and less on their very obvious physical connection.
Otherwise I'm going to think that JP f2 and the ghost of Bentley is f1 = no pick.

that's the rub - Emily wasn't getting a F1 edit either - she had the tragic F2/3 Edit. That's why it was not so hard to believe Chantal could've been F1, since there didn't seem to be an edit that fit F1.

I'm looking forward to the Ben date tonight. And hopefully some more previews for the rest of the season.

Ok so you are seeing this the same as I am. Good I thought I was the only one .
Here is the thing, Emily has some sort of interaction shown in every episode (both Chantal and Emily did as did both CL and Rob in the previous season). Jesse C had interactions with D in every episode but their relationship started way later. Basically the F2 are shown something with the lead whether it is romantic or not.
But not this season. Ben F had 1 on 1 /interaction time shown in ep1 and ep 4. When from SC evidence we know he did have 1 on 1 time in ep 3 and probably something in ep 2 since he was on that winning group date at vegas. But it hasn't been shown. Thats what is so confusing.

I'm seeing the same thing you all are. A very obvious F2 edit for JP, and no F1 edit for anyone. It's as if when Bentley leaves again in Hong Kong we're going to turn a corner (I hope) and the edits will begin to make sense. Tonight's 1:1 date with Ben will hopefully provide some clues, but from the preview shown I see very tentative body language still for Ben/Ash (similar to Brad/Emily?).

I'm trying to hang in there and look for clues, but so far this is the biggest dud of a season I can remember.

By now it is rather obvious which Team i side on (no? 8) ) however your edit analysis is exactly what i've in mind, too.I was Team Emily but i doubted her as F1,The chemistry of Brad and Chantal was sizzling! (which fizzled at the last stretch ). My JP (emphasis on the 'my') and Ashley's chemistry is so fiery no bunch of
firemen can put out! Very Rob-Ali-esque, indeed. Unlike JP,though, Roberto had little screentime. JP's edit (re showing of connection/chemistry) reminds me of Chantal's whereas Ben F's with Emily's. Even if RS and Fijiman say JP is the F1, i cannot unleash my confetti and uncork my wine, just yet. Because it is with immense trepidation that my JP is getting an F2 edit

Actually Roberto got more screen time then JP. He had the adrenaline date in episode 3 (which lets be honest we knew most of us were looking for that as a clue ). They even did an interview together for E (I think) during their date. Then when Rego went to visit her at the house she goes to Roberto to tell him about it. AND most importantly Roberto got the FIR. He was front and center from the very beginning. I speak for myself though when I say that alot of us were distracted by our love for CL that I couldn't believe it was "first impression rose Roberto" all along... duh... .

Same with Em. Brad bent over backwards for this woman. Special picnics, blog shout outs, guaranteed roses before RC's... the list could go on. Her tragic story was smacked in our face every episode. Front and center all along.

I don't know where all of this "JP can't be F1 because it's too obvious" stuff is coming from ... folks for the past two seasons the F1 is obvious. Enjoy watching the JP and Ashley story that began in episode 2 on because that's the story we are getting this season. JP is the knight and shining armor when Bentley shows up. Ben means nothing in the "Bentley is evil" storyline. JMO of course!!!!

[Guest]

Actually Roberto got more screen time then JP. He had the adrenaline date in episode 3 (which lets be honest we knew most of us were looking for that as a clue ). They even did an interview together for E (I think) during their date. Then when Rego went to visit her at the house she goes to Roberto to tell him about it. AND most importantly Roberto got the FIR. He was front and center from the very beginning. I speak for myself though when I say that alot of us were distracted by our love for CL that I couldn't believe it was "first impression rose Roberto" all along... duh... .

Same with Em. Brad bent over backwards for this woman. Special picnics, blog shout outs, guaranteed roses before RC's... the list could go on. Her tragic story was smacked in our face every episode. Front and center all along.

I don't know where all of this "JP can't be F1 because it's too obvious" stuff is coming from ... folks for the past two seasons the F1 is obvious. Enjoy watching the JP and Ashley story that began in episode 2 on because that's the story we are getting this season. JP is the knight and shining armor when Bentley shows up. Ben means nothing in the "Bentley is evil" storyline. JMO of course!!!!

The problem with editing is that people see things differently and sometimes see what they want to see. Some people claim they never saw the Ali and Roberto love story, but I thought Roberto was F1 from the beginning, same thing with Brad and Emily. To me JP is getting a F2 edit, but then I don't really see anyone getting a F1 edit either. At the end of this season some will say they never saw a love story because of Bentley or whoever while others will say it was front and center!

[Alanna]

Noob, perfectly said. The only way this could all work is if F1 slays the Bentley dragon, and the only one going head to head with him on a constant basis in JP.

Also, it's classic romcom. Girl falls for a jerk, ignores the comforting best friend, and then has an epiphany about what she really wants- the slow burn Ash already wrote about in her blog. At first I thought it meant Ben because he's the slower one in relation to JP, but it's Bentley and not JP that is the measuring stick. They started with the cupcake connection at M&G, had a sweet kiss at the cocktail party in ep2, then he comforted her when she needed it post-roast and Bentley, and them things started getting steamy in ep4. By their next 1:1 and into the rest of the season, I expect his arc to grow, even if we don't see too much screentime.

[Cari]

ITA with The fact that JP is shown as being waaaay into Ash DOES NOT FIT F1 edit and criteria. More like a F2 edit.

that's what I can't shake either. Even Roberto's chemistry was downplayed. Jesse was the darkhorse who came out nowhere. Granted those seasons had their distractions (Frank and Graham respectively) but TPTB went to great lengths to hide the connection the lead had with each for quite a few episodes.

It does seem to me to be an f2 edit similar to Chantals edit last season IMO. But as of now, I cannot see anyone with an F1 edit. In fact, the rest of this case is basically not getting any sort of edit pattern at all.
JPs f2 'ish edit may change to F1 once the whole Bentley thing is done. They will leave in more PIs etc re the emotional connection and less on their very obvious physical connection.
Otherwise I'm going to think that JP f2 and the ghost of Bentley is f1 = no pick.

that's the rub - Emily wasn't getting a F1 edit either - she had the tragic F2/3 Edit. That's why it was not so hard to believe Chantal could've been F1, since there didn't seem to be an edit that fit F1.

I'm looking forward to the Ben date tonight. And hopefully some more previews for the rest of the season.

Ok so you are seeing this the same as I am. Good I thought I was the only one .
Here is the thing, Emily has some sort of interaction shown in every episode (both Chantal and Emily did as did both CL and Rob in the previous season). Jesse C had interactions with D in every episode but their relationship started way later. Basically the F2 are shown something with the lead whether it is romantic or not.
But not this season. Ben F had 1 on 1 /interaction time shown in ep1 and ep 4. When from SC evidence we know he did have 1 on 1 time in ep 3 and probably something in ep 2 since he was on that winning group date at vegas. But it hasn't been shown. Thats what is so confusing.

I'm seeing the same thing you all are. A very obvious F2 edit for JP, and no F1 edit for anyone. It's as if when Bentley leaves again in Hong Kong we're going to turn a corner (I hope) and the edits will begin to make sense. Tonight's 1:1 date with Ben will hopefully provide some clues, but from the preview shown I see very tentative body language still for Ben/Ash (similar to Brad/Emily?).

I'm trying to hang in there and look for clues, but so far this is the biggest dud of a season I can remember.

By now it is rather obvious which Team i side on (no? 8) ) however your edit analysis is exactly what i've in mind, too.I was Team Emily but i doubted her as F1,The chemistry of Brad and Chantal was sizzling! (which fizzled at the last stretch ). My JP (emphasis on the 'my') and Ashley's chemistry is so fiery no bunch of
firemen can put out! Very Rob-Ali-esque, indeed. Unlike JP,though, Roberto had little screentime. JP's edit (re showing of connection/chemistry) reminds me of Chantal's whereas Ben F's with Emily's. Even if RS and Fijiman say JP is the F1, i cannot unleash my confetti and uncork my wine, just yet. Because it is with immense trepidation that my JP is getting an F2 edit

Actually Roberto got more screen time then JP. He had the adrenaline date in episode 3 (which lets be honest we knew most of us were looking for that as a clue ). They even did an interview together for E (I think) during their date. Then when Rego went to visit her at the house she goes to Roberto to tell him about it. AND most importantly Roberto got the FIR. He was front and center from the very beginning. I speak for myself though when I say that alot of us were distracted by our love for CL that I couldn't believe it was "first impression rose Roberto" all along... duh... .

Same with Em. Brad bent over backwards for this woman. Special picnics, blog shout outs, guaranteed roses before RC's... the list could go on. Her tragic story was smacked in our face every episode. Front and center all along.

I don't know where all of this "JP can't be F1 because it's too obvious" stuff is coming from ... folks for the past two seasons the F1 is obvious. Enjoy watching the JP and Ashley story that began in episode 2 on because that's the story we are getting this season. JP is the knight and shining armor when Bentley shows up. Ben means nothing in the "Bentley is evil" storyline. JMO of course!!!!

awwww, Noobsleuth! You are my JP in my Bentley moment awhile back! Such comforting words!

Will you accept this rose?

[philphan]

Noob, perfectly said. The only way this could all work is if F1 slays the Bentley dragon, and the only one going head to head with him on a constant basis in JP.

Also, it's classic romcom. Girl falls for a jerk, ignores the comforting best friend, and then has an epiphany about what she really wants- the slow burn Ash already wrote about in her blog. At first I thought it meant Ben because he's the slower one in relation to JP, but it's Bentley and not JP that is the measuring stick. They started with the cupcake connection at M&G, had a sweet kiss at the cocktail party in ep2, then he comforted her when she needed it post-roast and Bentley, and them things started getting steamy in ep4. By their next 1:1 and into the rest of the season, I expect his arc to grow, even if we don't see too much screentime.

Totally agree with this!! :Nod:

[Reality Mary]

Noob, perfectly said. The only way this could all work is if F1 slays the Bentley dragon, and the only one going head to head with him on a constant basis in JP.

Also, it's classic romcom. Girl falls for a jerk, ignores the comforting best friend, and then has an epiphany about what she really wants- the slow burn Ash already wrote about in her blog. At first I thought it meant Ben because he's the slower one in relation to JP, but it's Bentley and not JP that is the measuring stick. They started with the cupcake connection at M&G, had a sweet kiss at the cocktail party in ep2, then he comforted her when she needed it post-roast and Bentley, and them things started getting steamy in ep4. By their next 1:1 and into the rest of the season, I expect his arc to grow, even if we don't see too much screentime.

Totally agree with this!! :Nod:

I totally agree also. In my opinion, at this point the F1 edit is going to Bentley and F2 edit to JP. We will have to see what happens when the F1 Bentley is gone...does JP's edit change?

[Rosepetal]

I think the edit this year is screwy because it is not a typical F1 vs. F2 edit. It is Bentley vs. F1 which IMHO is J.P. I think it has to be J.P. or no one because they haven’t really shown anyone else to have any real connection with Ashley. I believe they have to show the connection with J.P. early on to counter Bentley’s connection. I think tonight’s date with Ben will be really sweet but as others have said the connection will be too little too late. I also wonder if taking Ben to a temple where you can’t kiss might be symbolic of their relationship somehow, just some thoughts on my part.

[noobsleuth]

Actually Roberto got more screen time then JP. He had the adrenaline date in episode 3 (which lets be honest we knew most of us were looking for that as a clue ). They even did an interview together for E (I think) during their date. Then when Rego went to visit her at the house she goes to Roberto to tell him about it. AND most importantly Roberto got the FIR. He was front and center from the very beginning. I speak for myself though when I say that alot of us were distracted by our love for CL that I couldn't believe it was "first impression rose Roberto" all along... duh... .

Same with Em. Brad bent over backwards for this woman. Special picnics, blog shout outs, guaranteed roses before RC's... the list could go on. Her tragic story was smacked in our face every episode. Front and center all along.

I don't know where all of this "JP can't be F1 because it's too obvious" stuff is coming from ... folks for the past two seasons the F1 is obvious. Enjoy watching the JP and Ashley story that began in episode 2 on because that's the story we are getting this season. JP is the knight and shining armor when Bentley shows up. Ben means nothing in the "Bentley is evil" storyline. JMO of course!!!!

The problem with editing is that people see things differently and sometimes see what they want to see. Some people claim they never saw the Ali and Roberto love story, but I thought Roberto was F1 from the beginning, same thing with Brad and Emily. To me JP is getting a F2 edit, but then I don't really see anyone getting a F1 edit either. At the end of this season some will say they never saw a love story because of Bentley or whoever while others will say it was front and center!

I understand what you are saying. I am totally confused by the edit and how Bentley is supposed to play into it. I want to clarify though that I have no clue if anyone else (like Coastal suggested) might come into play. My post was based on an F1/F2 as Ben F. and JP. Based on that I clearly see the JP finish. Now, if someone else is involved in the F1/F2 like Ryan perhaps that all goes out the window.

I truly believe that if Ben F. is F1 we would have seen him on the Roast date. We would have seen him comfort her or at the very least any time of them together. I wish JP had been on that date for editing sake.... it would be been interesting to see. However, Ryan did comfort her on that date and got the rose. I am starting to think that maybe Ryan plays more of a part in the ending then Ben F. does.

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