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Post by Guest Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:41 am

Beeleever no you theory is wrong her hair was still wet and more importantly it had curls at the end when she talk about the kiss, her appearance was cleand not like when she gave out the rose sorry.

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Post by Guest Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:08 pm

Nativenewyorker, awesome post and that sums it up perfectly. And that last 2 sentences, I hope Ashley realizes all JP meant in a few words..he's not going to walk away from her, which is the thing she fears most. He verbalized it and showed it with his emotions. If she doesn't pick JP, imo, it will be heard to comprehend for me. what the heck Ashley wants.

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Post by Nativenewyorker Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:18 pm

I have really tried to be patient and fair with Ashley. However, the more I think about this Bentley nonsense, the more bizarre it seems. I know that guys like him do have a way with words and can say exactly what a woman wants to hear. I have bumped up against a few Bentleys in my life. I am mindful that I made my share of stupid mistakes when I was in my twenties.

I am wondering if this time TPTB have been too cute by half with this newest dramatic, over the top storyline. Bentley was not appealing to me at all. I didn't think he was particularly good looking, his eyes seemed dead and he talked to Ashley almost in a monotone. I would love to know exactly how many hours, minutes and seconds she spent with him. Is it love at first sight? If he had stayed longer, then maybe it would make more sense. If you blinked, you missed him. The fact that Ashley has a truly great group of guys makes this all even more ridiculous. There really isn't a stinker in the bunch. I am not sure about Ryan, because it seems that he is reading lines from a movie script. I still don't know that much about who he is, what he wants, what he's about. I do think it means something that the other guys don't like him. It doesn't make him a serial killer or a creep like Bentley, but it does give one pause. All these guys really get along. They have good natured fun with each other and like to kid around. I saw a cute clip on youtube with the guys all talking about Nick's physique. JP was hilarious when he said that Nick is ripped, but it's not like he is afraid of him. He just doesn't want to stand right next to him, because he is the smallest guy there. Then they were watching as Nick and Ashley went into the pool. Nick freaked out when it was so cold and JP was laughing like crazy.

I just think that they might have done better to focus on these great guys and forget Bentley. I think we are going to see more of Ashley's connection with Ben F. in the next episodes. He is kind of the opposite of JP with his laid back personality. He goes with the flow, keeps his cool, has a great attitude and personality and is funny. I laughed out loud when he was talking about his "Ryan meter" and then the look he gave Ryan when he running off at the mouth as they were working on the orphanage, was hilarious.

I just think it would be so much more interesting to focus on Ashley's interactions with these guys without bringing back Bentley for some more toxic screen time. It's only going to punctuate the difference between his sliminess and the quality of these other guys.
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Post by Guest Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:22 pm

Beeleever wrote:
reason wrote:Ben was joking I dont think he kiss ashley before last episode. Still the kiss with ben was after her hair was wet and she kiss JP.

Not that I think it matters, because I don't, but I have another theory on this:

After Ashley and JP got back from their little interlude on the beach, they were both soaking wet. When Ashley comes out to give out the group date rose, her hair was dry and make-up was re-done. I think after her time with JP she went in to freshen up. That is when she did the PI about JP's kisses. It was very fresh in her mind, along with that sexy shaved head that she also spoke about. :awesome:

yes I agree, Beelever, that this is a strong possibility.


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Post by Martinanne Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:29 pm

Nativenewyorker wrote:I have really tried to be patient and fair with Ashley. However, the more I think about this Bentley nonsense, the more bizarre it seems. I know that guys like him do have a way with words and can say exactly what a woman wants to hear. I have bumped up against a few Bentleys in my life. I am mindful that I made my share of stupid mistakes when I was in my twenties.

I am wondering if this time TPTB have been too cute by half with this newest dramatic, over the top storyline. Bentley was not appealing to me at all. I didn't think he was particularly good looking, his eyes seemed dead and he talked to Ashley almost in a monotone. I would love to know exactly how many hours, minutes and seconds she spent with him. Is it love at first sight? If he had stayed longer, then maybe it would make more sense. If you blinked, you missed him. The fact that Ashley has a truly great group of guys makes this all even more ridiculous. There really isn't a stinker in the bunch. I am not sure about Ryan, because it seems that he is reading lines from a movie script. I still don't know that much about who he is, what he wants, what he's about. I do think it means something that the other guys don't like him. It doesn't make him a serial killer or a creep like Bentley, but it does give one pause. All these guys really get along. They have good natured fun with each other and like to kid around. I saw a cute clip on youtube with the guys all talking about Nick's physique. JP was hilarious when he said that Nick is ripped, but it's not like he is afraid of him. He just doesn't want to stand right next to him, because he is the smallest guy there. Then they were watching as Nick and Ashley went into the pool. Nick freaked out when it was so cold and JP was laughing like crazy.

I just think that they might have done better to focus on these great guys and forget Bentley. I think we are going to see more of Ashley's connection with Ben F. in the next episodes. He is kind of the opposite of JP with his laid back personality. He goes with the flow, keeps his cool, has a great attitude and personality and is funny. I laughed out loud when he was talking about his "Ryan meter" and then the look he gave Ryan when he running off at the mouth as they were working on the orphanage, was hilarious.

I just think it would be so much more interesting to focus on Ashley's interactions with these guys without bringing back Bentley for some more toxic screen time. It's only going to punctuate the difference between his sliminess and the quality of these other guys.

I don't think we got to see every interaction they had (Ashley and Bentley), but I think a couple of the ones we did see were really key to her falling for him. There was that one scene where Bentley "swept her off her feet" and carried her for some 1 on 1 time and he didn't want to talk he just wanted to kiss her (which was all calculated, but totally worked). Was that at the 2nd episode pre-rose ceremony cocktail party? And then during the 3rd episode, when he had that conversation with her (I think it was at the after party following the Roast on the group date) and she confronted him about what Michelle Money had told her about him. He was very physical with her and she ate it up. I think the magic power that Bentley held over Ashley was all about how touchy-feely he was with her. She seems to really crave that touching and he was dishing it out like crazy.
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Post by Alanna Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:35 pm

Martinanne wrote:

I don't think we got to see every interaction they had (Ashley and Bentley), but I think a couple of the ones we did see were really key to her falling for him. There was that one scene where Bentley "swept her off her feet" and carried her for some 1 on 1 time and he didn't want to talk he just wanted to kiss her (which was all calculated, but totally worked). Was that at the 2nd episode pre-rose ceremony cocktail party? And then during the 3rd episode, when he had that conversation with her (I think it was at the after party following the Roast on the group date) and she confronted him about what Michelle Money had told her about him. He was very physical with her and she ate it up. I think the magic power that Bentley held over Ashley was all about how touchy-feely he was with her. She seems to really crave that touching and he was dishing it out like crazy.

Oh my gosh, YES!! All I could think of during Constantine's night portion of the date was that the ONLY things he needed to do was a)shut up and b) pull Ashley towards him and just cuddle with her. That's it, he would have had this thing down. I really think that's the key to her heart. She just wants to feel that the guy is physically there loving on her, and ideally, The One will always be there and won't leave her.


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Post by cupcakes Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:48 pm

Martinanne wrote:.
I don't think we got to see every interaction they had (Ashley and Bentley), but I think a couple of the ones we did see were really key to her falling for him. There was that one scene where Bentley "swept her off her feet" and carried her for some 1 on 1 time and he didn't want to talk he just wanted to kiss her (which was all calculated, but totally worked). Was that at the 2nd episode pre-rose ceremony cocktail party? And then during the 3rd episode, when he had that conversation with her (I think it was at the after party following the Roast on the group date) and she confronted him about what Michelle Money had told her about him. He was very physical with her and she ate it up. I think the magic power that Bentley held over Ashley was all about how touchy-feely he was with her. She seems to really crave that touching and he was dishing it out like crazy.

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Ashley: "He was so affectionate, always rubbing my arm, leg, hair, neck. I was reading those things as him being sincere. He really tricked me".


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Post by Guest Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:50 pm

cupcakes wrote:
Martinanne wrote:.
I don't think we got to see every interaction they had (Ashley and Bentley), but I think a couple of the ones we did see were really key to her falling for him. There was that one scene where Bentley "swept her off her feet" and carried her for some 1 on 1 time and he didn't want to talk he just wanted to kiss her (which was all calculated, but totally worked). Was that at the 2nd episode pre-rose ceremony cocktail party? And then during the 3rd episode, when he had that conversation with her (I think it was at the after party following the Roast on the group date) and she confronted him about what Michelle Money had told her about him. He was very physical with her and she ate it up. I think the magic power that Bentley held over Ashley was all about how touchy-feely he was with her. She seems to really crave that touching and he was dishing it out like crazy.

:Nod:

Ashley: "He was so affectionate, always rubbing my arm, leg, hair, neck. I was reading those things as him being sincere. He really tricked me".

Oh Ashley. Are you 26 or 16? I'm gonna cry ... :Frown:

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Post by Martinanne Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:51 pm

Alanna wrote:
Oh my gosh, YES!! All I could think of during Constantine's night portion of the date was that the ONLY things he needed to do was a)shut up and b) pull Ashley towards him and just cuddle with her. That's it, he would have had this thing down. I really think that's the key to her heart. She just wants to feel that the guy is physically there loving on her, and ideally, The One will always be there and won't leave her.

Agreed! JP has been quite physical with her too, and I'm sure that's part of his appeal. yes I'll bet given a little more time and plenty more touching between the two of them (both the hot steamy kissing and the little pats here and there) and she'll be able to forget all about Bentley. :awesome:

Oh, and Ben F. If he's going to have any chance with her, he's going to start reaching out and touching her (just like you said about Constantine). Same thing with Ames.
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Post by Nativenewyorker Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:32 pm

Gina wrote:Nativenewyorker, awesome post and that sums it up perfectly. And that last 2 sentences, I hope Ashley realizes all JP meant in a few words..he's not going to walk away from her, which is the thing she fears most. He verbalized it and showed it with his emotions. If she doesn't pick JP, imo, it will be heard to comprehend for me. what the heck Ashley wants.

Does Ashley know what she wants? You pointed out that Ashley's biggest fear was a guy walking away. So Bentley made her biggest fear come true. She has to know on some level that if he really liked her he would have stayed. JP said that he wasn't going anywhere and when Ashley asked why, he said - I think you know. What more is there to say? It's not supposed to be that complicated, the way it was with Bentley.

Ashley should read that book "He's Just Not That Into You" and fast! Bachelorette 7 - THE EDIT - Thread #2 - Page 26 2248969230
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Post by Muslady Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:44 pm

JP seems so analytical that I think he might be edited as pulling back when Ashley approaches the other guys. The looks they show as JP watches the action around the other guys with Ashley appear to be assessment looks. I agree he is not going away but because of her insecurities, if he appears to be even remotely less aggressive Ashley could think he is losing interest in her. i think the edit would milk this for all it is worth. (Such as when JP assesses the Bentley come back. I don't know if he sees this or not, just using this as an example)
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Post by Nativenewyorker Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:00 pm

Muslady wrote:JP seems so analytical that I think he might be edited as pulling back when Ashley approaches the other guys. The looks they show as JP watches the action around the other guys with Ashley appear to be assessment looks. I agree he is not going away but because of her insecurities, if he appears to be even remotely less aggressive Ashley could think he is losing interest in her. i think the edit would milk this for all it is worth. (Such as when JP assesses the Bentley come back. I don't know if he sees this or not, just using this as an example)

I agree with you about JP being analytical. You can see the wheels in his mind turning when they show him at times. I absolutely think that he is trying to get a feel for what is going on with Ashley and the other guys. He seems to be quite intense and definitely involved to some degree at this point.

That's why I posed the question as to what he will do next. You also addressed it. The dilemma for him is, does he go all out and throw caution to the wind and just pursue her full out? Or does he decide to pull back a little? I think you are correct that if he does seem less aggressive then Ashley's insecurities will come out in full force and she may well think that he isn't that interested in her. This is what I think might be fascinating to watch, like a carefully choreographed dance. He has already said that he doesn't know whether to become totally emotionally involved, because he doesn't know where her head is at. So he has to decide how he will deal with the situation and Ashley will also be watching him to decide if he is the real thing.

One of my first questions when I heard Bentley was coming back, was whether or not the guys will know about it. I would think there will be trouble if JP and the others know that Bentley is back.

Also, I did want to give a shout out to the comments about Bentley's touchy-feely way with Ashley. I have to admit that this is her soft spot and could well have been one reason why she felt a connection with him. I had forgotten about that part of it, because I am trying to forget everything about Bentley! However, great point made about how he got to her! Bachelorette 7 - THE EDIT - Thread #2 - Page 26 3792326465
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