Episode 4 - 6/13 - Discussion - Spoilers

Graham was done after the HTD and they barely got him to come back for the rose ceemony. He was done. It was obvious that she was going to take him to F1. He didnt have the feelings for Deanna that she had for him and he was unwilling to carry the story any further Graham was never considered a "bad guy."

I heard that they stopped production for Deanna when Graham left, because she was so distraught. What you saw at the RC was the result.

Love_Me wrote:I thought Graham wanted to leave the show after his HTD, but they made it appear Deanna eliminated him instead? There is no doubt in my mind he was Deanna's F1, but did he feel the same way about her? I wouldn't think so otherwise why would he want out?

He showed up in the line at the RC after HTs; however, he was slovenly. His shirtail was half in and half out. He wasn't shaved, and he looked like a bum whereas he had always looked clean and well-kept. He kept smirking, and it was obvious that something wasn't right when she would looked at him when giving out the roses definantly.
Later, we came to the conclusion that the producers made him show up at the Rose Ceremony because he had the letter in his hand that he had written to her explaining himself that he gave to her right before he got into the limo; therefore, he knew he was leaving before he ever got there, and she knew it, too, as she was giving out roses which is why she was so angry and acted like she did and said what she said when they were sitting on the bench.

I think the producers knew before she knew. She was probably told shortly before the Rose Ceremony so that they got all of the reaction from her that they got.

ETA: Somebody was going to propose to DeAnna, and when Graham realized that, he made sure that he was heading the other way. He kept trying to tell her he wasn't right for her.....

He wanted to leave, but it was painful for him as she was so upset.
They appear to be friendly now and I have seen pictures of DeAnna, Holly Durst and Jillian partying with Graham at his bar.

pavalygurl wrote:He wanted to leave, but it was painful for him as she was so upset.
They appear to be friendly now and I have seen pictures of DeAnna, Holly Durst and Jillian partying with Graham at his bar.

I bet you anything Stephen is going to make sure she's preoccupied on Monday nights and unavailable to watch Bachelor Pad. :giggle: I could see Holly causing a huge uproar by trying to hook up with Graham. I hope she doesn't though!

mnmhughes wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:He wanted to leave, but it was painful for him as she was so upset.
They appear to be friendly now and I have seen pictures of DeAnna, Holly Durst and Jillian partying with Graham at his bar.

I bet you anything Stephen is going to make sure she's preoccupied on Monday nights and unavailable to watch Bachelor Pad. :giggle: I could see Holly causing a huge uproar by trying to hook up with Graham. I hope she doesn't though!

Yikes! I hadn't thought of that. My money right now is on Holly going after William. He's cute, from Ohio as she is, and they both are kind of "young" for their age.

Love_Me wrote:I thought Graham wanted to leave the show after his HTD, but they made it appear Deanna eliminated him instead? There is no doubt in my mind he was Deanna's F1, but did he feel the same way about her? I wouldn't think so otherwise why would he want out?

You said it, in a nutshell.

The similarity between Ashley's and DeAnna's season to me is that both women chose their intended F1 from hello at the M&G. Graham was a good guy that just wasn't that into her, but The Bent One is the worst villain in the history of the franchise. Jesse was always attached to DeAnna at the hip, but she didn't really even look at him romantically until Palm Springs, just before the HTDs. They never even kissed until Jesse's HTD. Ashley's complete obsession over The Bent One has dwarfed any other story even though she's had a physical connection with JP from early on, and Ben is moving in with an emotional connection.

We're seeing a completely different-looking show this season because the editors have never yet dealt with quite these same circumstances. It's hard to predict how it will end except that I agree with Bloomers that whatever relationship comes out of this season won't likely last.

I don't get the circular arguments going on. JP cannot be F1 because their story and connection is too obvious, but then actually the edit for Bentley is so bad because there is no connection or love formed at all. So then why is JP so obvious? LOL!

Alanna wrote:I don't get the circular arguments going on. JP cannot be F1 because their story and connection is too obvious, but then actually the edit for Bentley is so bad because there is no connection or love formed at all. So then why is JP so obvious? LOL!

Alanna wrote:I don't get the circular arguments going on. JP cannot be F1 because their story and connection is too obvious, but then actually the edit for Bentley is so bad because there is no connection or love formed at all. So then why is JP so obvious? LOL!

Ha...ha.. True. What story are we watching?

Love_Me wrote:My question is has a F1 ever been so hidden (Ben F) the first couple of episodes vs the F1 (JP) being so present the first couple of episodes.

I have a feeling following the show so closely maybe my opinion is different then the average viewer who only tunes into this show on Monday's.

They might be watching the Ashley can't get over Bentley show.

I think you are right. I talked with a friend last night that watches the show unspoiled. I asked her what she thought of everyone on the show and she never even brought up JP's or Ben's name. She was more focused on the guys that she thought were hot and of course the Bent-One.

came to fiji excited and left crying

she had on other choose but to go with jp

and that wyh ben stayed in the westin

I'm as confused as everyone...Just another spin on it:

maybe "she had on other choose" is "she had one other choice (Ryan) ~ Scenario similar to Reid's return...

Ben is let go at F2 and "stayed in the Westin" maybe means "returned to the Westin"
Ryan "one other choice" arrives, before JP & is rejected & "left crying" ,
she "had to go (to the FRC) with JP"

This does contradict that Ben is F1, so I'm guessing. And Ben at the Westin is the biggest piece of the puzzle to me.
Westin is pretty far from Vomo and nearer the airport, so Ben returned there waiting to fly out to USA?