Episode 4 - 6/13 - Discussion - Spoilers

Leaves and comes back? Stays? Or just comes back and leaves again?

Ed stayed (obviously) when he came back. From what I'm watching it doesn't look good for Ryan in the "staying department" but that's just me

jelle wrote:came to fiji excited and left crying
This could also be F2 if this person only saw the FRC

she had on other choose but to go with jp
She had another choice (F2), but went with JP

and that wyh ben stayed in the westin
and that is why Ben stayed in the Westin - because he was eliminated and she left with her F1

It seems that this person had difficulty with verb tense.

That is exactly what it sounds like, but that does not jive with he told her that Ashley chose BenF, and they were engaged. :greenman: He said that first and seemed fairly clear about it.

nutty1 wrote:Those are his FB posts. In LoveMe's correspondence with him, he said Ben was picked. I do not know the wording though.

As in she picks Ben but then he rejects her so she has no choice buy to go with JP .... OH dear Lord NO PLEASE NO!!

nutty1 wrote:

Bloomers wrote:

Alexxxx wrote:

Bloomers wrote:

Coastal wrote:

Bloomers wrote:I don't understand the little bit we do know about that message.

Can somebody go over with me what we think we do understand, explaining where the named places and people are?

This should have everything you need regarding the dates from now till HTD

http://bachandbachettefans.forumotion.com/t98-confirmed-datesno-discussion

SC of Ryan in Fiji
Sc of who we assume to be Constantine because of the orange swim trunks in Fiji at the Bouma waterfall...........regarding that, we don't have a close up of the face so it could be anyone
Voice overs of Ryan and JP talking about finding love in Fiji

I'm talking about that cyrptic message from Fijiman. Something about came here excited left crying. Ben at Westin. No choice but to leave with JP

Bloomers, I think this is what you're looking for:

Fijiman told Love_Me that Ash was engaged to Ben. Then cupcakes found and posted this:

Possible F1 *Spoilers* - Thread #1
Love_Me, your source is leaving messages on FB:


came to fiji excited and left crying


she had on other choose but to go with jp


and that wyh ben stayed in the westin

I am confused on what he is saying. Here is my translation:
"Came to fiji excited and left crying. She had no other choice but to go with JP and that is why Ben stayed at the Westin"


As far as I can tell, we have speculation, but nothing nailed down as to what this really means.

That has to be Ryan who came to Fiji excited and left crying. That fits.
Why because Ryan left, would she have no other choice but to leave with JP? What does one have to with the other?
Now....
Why (wyh) would Ben stay in the Westin because she left with JP after Ryan left crying?

Where is the Westin? Is it in the Fantasy Date section or the LCD/FRC section?

she had on other choose but to go with jp
With the translation issue....this could mean different things...maybe he means her other choice was JP, and Ben stayed in the Westin while she was 'dumping" JP.
Just another way to look at it

To piggyback off your idea, nutty:

Ryan came to Fiji excited and left crying (she dumped him)
She had no other choice but to go with JP (no other choice but to leave Ryan crying because JP was waiting at the FRC, she dumped JP @ F2)
That's why Ben stayed in the Westin (waiting patiently while she dumped Ryan and JP, to be the last arrival at the FRC @ F1)

This has all been widely speculated and sleuthed already, I think in the Possible F1 thread. No conclusions were reached, too many different interpretations. Somebody even looked into the Westin location but I don't think anything was concluded there. I think we were still in the middle of 'where was the FRC anyway' discussions at the same time.

I don't really have any answers, just more speculation. BUT what is really confusing to me is why would the same source, Fijiman, say Ashley was engaged to Ben (Love confirmed that's what he said) and then come back with something that sounds like maybe she ended up with JP? So then we're right back into (1) is there a language barrier and we're not communicating well? or (2) does Fijiman really understand the concept of the show regarding FD, LCD dates and FRC ceremony and engagements?

I'm no help. I'm still confused.

noobsleuth wrote:

nutty1 wrote:Those are his FB posts. In LoveMe's correspondence with him, he said Ben was picked. I do not know the wording though.

As in she picks Ben but then he rejects her so she has no choice buy to go with JP .... OH dear Lord NO PLEASE NO!!

Actually, didn't he tell LoveMe they were engaged?

What happened to the part about "taking up with Ben" or something as in the airplane and we assumed that was the LCD.

*Love, it would be awesome to get a thread (maybe no discussion) with just your correspondence with the Fijiman.

I remember there was originally more to the conversation.

CarrieAlexander wrote:Leaves and comes back? Stays? Or just comes back and leaves again?

Ed stayed (obviously) when he came back. From what I'm watching it doesn't look good for Ryan in the "staying department" but that's just me

Do we know absolutely that the guy in the orange shorts is Constantine........Matt was also wearing orange shorts in the pool at the mansion. We have a sc of Ryan in Fiji.........no other "evidence" of Constantine in Fiji. Do we know absolutely that Ames gets a HTD other than what RS said?? The only absolute sc's that we now have for fiji are Ryan and JP, also VO's of both.........that is normally reserved for the final 2 isn't it.........finding love in Fiji??

noobsleuth wrote:What happened to the part about "taking up with Ben" or something as in the airplane and we assumed that was the LCD.

*Love, it would be awesome to get a thread (maybe no discussion) with just your correspondence with the Fijiman.

I remember there was originally more to the conversation.

I looked through some of the original F1 thread and found these from LoveMe:

So I tried to communicate as best I could with the guy who first said he saw The Bachelorette being filmed this season. I asked him if Ashley picked Ben and if the finale was filmed in Vomo, Fiji?

He answered back with yes that is what happened and he liked that it did.

Because he speaks another language I think he did see Ashley pick Ben F and the finale was filmed in Vomo, Fiji.

Well, I am going to post the following information that they shared with me just now.

*Disclaimer* I am sharing what I was told because this person has been truthful so far and I believe what they have told me. Now there might be a chance they are wrong because even I am a little skeptical, but I wanted to share it just in case it turns out to be right. If I am wrong or the communication was not what it should have been that is alright with me.

He said Ashley and Ben are engaged. I asked them again just to be sure. Are Ben and Ashley really engaged and he said yes.

Alexxxx wrote: Bloomers, I think this is what you're looking for:

Fijiman told Love_Me that Ash was engaged to Ben. Then cupcakes found and posted this:

Possible F1 *Spoilers* - Thread #1
Love_Me, your source is leaving messages on FB:


came to fiji excited and left crying


she had on other choose but to go with jp


and that wyh ben stayed in the westin

I am confused on what he is saying. Here is my translation:
"Came to fiji excited and left crying. She had no other choice but to go with JP and that is why Ben stayed at the Westin"


As far as I can tell, we have speculation, but nothing nailed down as to what this really means.

"she had no other choice than to go with JP" - breaking it down plain and simple without mincing words or trying to read between the lines, sounds like Ben decides to walk away - maybe he wasn't intended to be the F1, maybe JP was, but to have no other choice means she didn't have the option to choose him.

noobsleuth wrote:

nutty1 wrote:Those are his FB posts. In LoveMe's correspondence with him, he said Ben was picked. I do not know the wording though.

As in she picks Ben but then he rejects her so she has no choice buy to go with JP .... OH dear Lord NO PLEASE NO!!

and that's a second possibility - but if she rejects JP first to go with Ben then he rejects her, that would mean she'd go back to JP and beg forgiveness and for him to 'take her back' - god that would be horrible.

jelle wrote:came to fiji excited and left crying
This could also be F2 if this person only saw the FRC

she had on other choose but to go with jp
She had another choice (F2), but went with JP

and that wyh ben stayed in the westin
and that is why Ben stayed in the Westin - because he was eliminated and she left with her F1

It seems that this person had difficulty with verb tense.

My 2 cents:

When you read the second quote out loud---"She had on other choose", it sounds to me like this: She had another choice". Many people not familiar with english will write "on other" vs another. (even people who are familiar with english!)
Now how we can interpret this afterwards, I am still thinking.
Maybe she "went" with JP--but where?? And maybe Ben stayed in the Westin because of why? And she still ended up with Ben as Fijiman stated earlier in his other posts. I am not at A + B= C at this point.
I am still trying to put the pieces together.

Kashathediva wrote:

jelle wrote:came to fiji excited and left crying
This could also be F2 if this person only saw the FRC

she had on other choose but to go with jp
She had another choice (F2), but went with JP

and that wyh ben stayed in the westin
and that is why Ben stayed in the Westin - because he was eliminated and she left with her F1

It seems that this person had difficulty with verb tense.

My 2 cents:

When you read the second quote out loud---"She had on other choose", it sounds to me like this: She had another choice". Many people not familiar with english will write "on other" vs another. (even people who are familiar with english!)
Now how we can interpret this afterwards, I am still thinking.
Maybe she "went" with JP--but where?? And maybe Ben stayed in the Westin because of why? And she still ended up with Ben as Fijiman stated earlier in his other posts. I am not at A + B= C at this point.
I am still trying to put the pieces together.

So maybe he was saying JP was her other choice. And I agree, it doesn't add up, especially with what he told LoveMe.
He told LoveMe "she picked Ben". I just cannot forget that, and that is why I keep looking for clues that he is F1.