Episode 4 - 6/13 - Discussion - Spoilers

Alanna wrote:Why did Ben stay at the Westin is what I'm wondering. Why not "Ben and Ash stayed at the Westin" if he thinks they're engaged? I'm guessing he saw Ash picking Ben up at the Westin for MTP/LCD and thought they were together. I wonder if he understands what the word "engaged" means?

When he told me this I asked him just to be sure if they were engaged and he said yes. The funny thing is I wondered if he understood what that meant as well so I said maybe Ben and Ashley will have their wedding in Fiji and he said yes.

Instead of getting stressed about the specifics I am taking everything he said or didn't say with a grain of salt.

Love_Me wrote:

Alanna wrote:Why did Ben stay at the Westin is what I'm wondering. Why not "Ben and Ash stayed at the Westin" if he thinks they're engaged? I'm guessing he saw Ash picking Ben up at the Westin for MTP/LCD and thought they were together. I wonder if he understands what the word "engaged" means?

When he told me this I asked him just to be sure if they were engaged and he said yes. The funny thing is I wondered if he understood what that meant as well so I said maybe Ben and Ashley will have their wedding in Fiji and he said yes.

Instead of getting stressed about the specifics I am taking everything he said or didn't say with a grain of salt.

Love Me, Thank you so much for finding the possible spoiler, attempting to clarify the information with him and fielding the questions from us. I would just like to add this in defense of this man...It does sound like he understood what you were asking him. Having said that, I have four nieces adopted from Ukraine, that often say "yes" as a response to save face when they don't understand. When I first started to communicate with them, I had to learn to read their body language, which clearly showed confusion or excitement in their response. So at this point, without being able to see his non-verbal communication, his "yes" could be that he totally understands, he thinks he understands, or he doesn't understand at all. Just a thought...

Is the source in Fiji referring to the Westin on Denarau Island? Does he mean they went there after the final rose ceremony? It's not far from Vomo, so I guess it's possible.

Beeleever wrote:

Love_Me wrote:

Alanna wrote:Why did Ben stay at the Westin is what I'm wondering. Why not "Ben and Ash stayed at the Westin" if he thinks they're engaged? I'm guessing he saw Ash picking Ben up at the Westin for MTP/LCD and thought they were together. I wonder if he understands what the word "engaged" means?

When he told me this I asked him just to be sure if they were engaged and he said yes. The funny thing is I wondered if he understood what that meant as well so I said maybe Ben and Ashley will have their wedding in Fiji and he said yes.

Instead of getting stressed about the specifics I am taking everything he said or didn't say with a grain of salt.

Love Me, Thank you so much for finding the possible spoiler, attempting to clarify the information with him and fielding the questions from us. I would just like to add this in defense of this man...It does sound like he understood what you were asking him. Having said that, I have four nieces adopted from Ukraine, that often say "yes" as a response to save face when they don't understand. When I first started to communicate with them, I had to learn to read their body language, which clearly showed confusion or excitement in their response. So at this point, without being able to see his non-verbal communication, his "yes" could be that he totally understands, he thinks he understands, or he doesn't understand at all. Just a thought...

All of this is probably MF's handy work! I can just see him now, dressed in a trench coat, 8) doing a back alley deal with some local just to put doubt in RS spoilers! Why try and keep RS quiet, just throw something out there for sluethers to find that contradicts the spoilers, and your work it done!

CarrieAlexander wrote:

ironcat wrote:
Not sure I agree, but if that wasn't their first kiss, and the editors chose not to show their first kiss, to me that raises some serious questions about the odds of Ben being F1.

Maybe their first kiss was awkward and they bumped heads or something? I think it should raise questions as to why it wasn't shown.

Maybe the connection between Ben and Ashley is like watching paint dry...not too exciting. It doesn't mean that they aren't nice, sweet people but on film they just don't make good leads so they spend time on Bentley because it has the drama that MF wants and needs to keep people tuning in.

Max64 wrote:

Beeleever wrote:

Love_Me wrote:

Alanna wrote:Why did Ben stay at the Westin is what I'm wondering. Why not "Ben and Ash stayed at the Westin" if he thinks they're engaged? I'm guessing he saw Ash picking Ben up at the Westin for MTP/LCD and thought they were together. I wonder if he understands what the word "engaged" means?

When he told me this I asked him just to be sure if they were engaged and he said yes. The funny thing is I wondered if he understood what that meant as well so I said maybe Ben and Ashley will have their wedding in Fiji and he said yes.

Instead of getting stressed about the specifics I am taking everything he said or didn't say with a grain of salt.

Love Me, Thank you so much for finding the possible spoiler, attempting to clarify the information with him and fielding the questions from us. I would just like to add this in defense of this man...It does sound like he understood what you were asking him. Having said that, I have four nieces adopted from Ukraine, that often say "yes" as a response to save face when they don't understand. When I first started to communicate with them, I had to learn to read their body language, which clearly showed confusion or excitement in their response. So at this point, without being able to see his non-verbal communication, his "yes" could be that he totally understands, he thinks he understands, or he doesn't understand at all. Just a thought...

All of this is probably MF's handy work! I can just see him now, dressed in a trench coat, 8) doing a back alley deal with some local just to put doubt in RS spoilers! Why try and keep RS quiet, just throw something out there for sluethers to find that contradicts the spoilers, and your work it done!

I've been trying to find the SC on here, but can't seem to find them right now, but is JP wearing the same shirt and tie at this RC as the SC we have where he says "he's full of sh**"?

mnmhughes wrote:

reason wrote:Where is philly from New York sorry dont live in the states?

2 hours apart, I believe.

It's two to two and a half hours by car and about one and a half hours on Acela. The Pocono's might be a good place for a safe house, you can get to the mountains on I-80 and up the PA Turnpike Extension, very sparsely populated as well.

Love_Me wrote:

Alanna wrote:Why did Ben stay at the Westin is what I'm wondering. Why not "Ben and Ash stayed at the Westin" if he thinks they're engaged? I'm guessing he saw Ash picking Ben up at the Westin for MTP/LCD and thought they were together. I wonder if he understands what the word "engaged" means?

When he told me this I asked him just to be sure if they were engaged and he said yes. The funny thing is I wondered if he understood what that meant as well so I said maybe Ben and Ashley will have their wedding in Fiji and he said yes.

Instead of getting stressed about the specifics I am taking everything he said or didn't say with a grain of salt.

Thanks for all your work on this, Love! I can't wait to see what happens!

Number of times we actually see Ashley saying Bentley's name in this episode ~ 4. Twice in her white bikini top, which she wore before the guys arrived in Thailand, once in an ITM in the blue dress she was wearing on Ames date, and once in talking with CH before the RC.

Twice Ashley had an ITM in which she wore a coral dress top or bikini top but was not worn during this show. One time she said "Hopeless Ashley has become hopeful Ashley" which was shown after Constatine's date. The other was right before Ames' date and said "today's going to be the perfect opportunity to get to know the real him, and not him in a group setting." I did not see in the previews for next week that she was wearing this top either. Orange flowers and the black floral cabinet are behind her in this ITM.

DMBFan wrote:I've been trying to find the SC on here, but can't seem to find them right now, but is JP wearing the same shirt and tie at this RC as the SC we have where he says "he's full of sh**"?

In that SC, he was wearing last week's rose ceremony outfit. So he apparently said it last week, but they edited it out. This coming rose ceremony, he's wearing pink! :awesome:

pavalygurl wrote:Ugh! I hope Ben doesn't start hanging out with Kovacs..he's such a pig.

I think Kovacks and Bentley make an awesome pair! :puke: