Episode 4 - 6/13 - Discussion - Spoilers

dee wrote:

bambam64 wrote:

Gina wrote:I doubt it was a site glitch that made it shut down. Jesse C. got scared that too much was being said and he didn't want the wrath of TPTB. Kovacs is still under contract? I think Kovacs was a little drunk when he said that. jmo
It was tooooo coincidental when it all happened.

I don't remember Kovacs saying what day he saw Ben F. in SD. just recently..anyone remember?

Don't recall a day mentioned. He was saying that Ben was a good guy then said his San Diego statement.

I think he said "Doubt Ben's the winner, I just saw him yesterday in San Diego". Don't quote me though, I'm pretty sure he said yesterday. or maybe it was "saw him the other day", but the way he said it made it seem recent.

So do you think the spoiler was the fact that he saw Ben in SD during what might have been a safe house week/end or was Ben doing something "forbidden" like partying with a girl(s)???

pavalygurl wrote:

Gina wrote:I doubt it was a site glitch that made it shut down. Jesse C. got scared that too much was being said and he didn't want the wrath of TPTB. Kovacs is still under contract? I think Kovacs was a little drunk when he said that. jmo
It was tooooo coincidental when it all happened.

I don't remember Kovacs saying what day he saw Ben F. in SD. just recently..anyone remember?

I think that genie is out of the bottle LOL. Not sure what they could do to Jesse or Kovacs, but Ben could be in a heap of trouble.

Agree, and another reason Jesse C. pulled the plug on it..he could be too and he knows Kovacs and Ben F. would be. The tone was not like "Hey I saw Ben F. in SD"...It was more snark "don't think he's the winner, saw him 'down' in SD..giggle, giggle"
Now maybe they were at some kind of wine event and it's innocent and Kovacs just snarks when he talks, cause he's a douchebag anyway. :giggle:

pavalygurl wrote:

Gina wrote:I doubt it was a site glitch that made it shut down. Jesse C. got scared that too much was being said and he didn't want the wrath of TPTB. Kovacs is still under contract? I think Kovacs was a little drunk when he said that. jmo
It was tooooo coincidental when it all happened.

I don't remember Kovacs saying what day he saw Ben F. in SD. just recently..anyone remember?

I think that genie is out of the bottle LOL. Not sure what they could do to Jesse or Kovacs, but Ben could be in a heap of trouble.

Why would Ben be in trouble, are you NOT allowed to be out and about carrying on with ever day life as if you didnt know the ending , as not to let on who the winner is??

from past seasons, i remember, Jason M being out doing interviews etc, and he was in the finals, I remember reports of Melissa being out in TX at a friends party, and she was f1 and there have been others.

ninu wrote:

Gina wrote:

LibbyBell wrote:

Gina wrote:

CarrieAlexander wrote:

ironcat wrote:
Not sure I agree, but if that wasn't their first kiss, and the editors chose not to show their first kiss, to me that raises some serious questions about the odds of Ben being F1.

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Maybe their first kiss was awkward and they bumped heads or something? I think it should raise questions as to why it wasn't shown.

..they showed JP's kiss with a squashed nose on his first 1 on 1 in his jammies.

Gina, their first kiss was at the cocktail party before the rose ceremony --- the coin toss, remember? The jammie kisses weren't the first. :awesome:

you're right. I just loved the squashed nose kiss, it was so real! :giggle:

I remember swooning over the squashed nose kiss between Brad and Chantal at a pre-RC cocktail party last season

:giggle: I remember swooning over every one of Brad and Channy's kisses. It's no different with JP and Ash. :laughingoutlou

Jeepers wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

Gina wrote:I doubt it was a site glitch that made it shut down. Jesse C. got scared that too much was being said and he didn't want the wrath of TPTB. Kovacs is still under contract? I think Kovacs was a little drunk when he said that. jmo
It was tooooo coincidental when it all happened.

I don't remember Kovacs saying what day he saw Ben F. in SD. just recently..anyone remember?

I think that genie is out of the bottle LOL. Not sure what they could do to Jesse or Kovacs, but Ben could be in a heap of trouble.

Why???

Regardless of hs final standing he is still allowed to live as tho it is his normal life

Chantal had a new boyfriend before the finale so I don't see why Ben should be scared to live it up a little.

Fascinator11 wrote:To me it kind of just seemed like they were playing it up, like "ooh spoiler alert" but with no real evidence behind it. I really don't think it's a big deal and I thought they kind of started talking about something else before it got cut off.

I agree that it wasn't really evidence and not much of a big deal... I wonder how much they honestly know, if anything. Ashley S says she doesn't know the F1 but I doubt that.

Jeepers wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

Gina wrote:I doubt it was a site glitch that made it shut down. Jesse C. got scared that too much was being said and he didn't want the wrath of TPTB. Kovacs is still under contract? I think Kovacs was a little drunk when he said that. jmo
It was tooooo coincidental when it all happened.

I don't remember Kovacs saying what day he saw Ben F. in SD. just recently..anyone remember?

I think that genie is out of the bottle LOL. Not sure what they could do to Jesse or Kovacs, but Ben could be in a heap of trouble.

Why???

Regardless of hs final standing he is still allowed to live as tho it is his normal life

Jeepers: Don't get me wrong LOL, I hope that is the case and have said Ben was in SD earlier this month at a social networking convention. He seems to commute between SD and SF/Sonoma. I had not heard the actual quote that Kovacs said and my mind went to thoughts of sweet Ben and Kovacs and my head hurts!

Sure he can be out and about. But would just seeing him out and about cause DBag Kovacs to utter 'doubt he's the winner cause I saw him down in SD". What caused him to say doubt he won (when he saw him). That's the big question imo. We just don't know..it could be nothing, it could be something. We sleuth on here and it was something that to think about :D

I doubt VERY strongly that ANY of them know anything!

Alexxxx wrote:

Coastal wrote:

Alexxxx wrote:

IrishGal wrote:After sleeping on it, I've decided I absolutely agree with those who think Ash isn't ready for a commitment. She had 25 guys and who did she pick? The one who was the least attainable. That had to be her subconscious at work telling her she wasn't ready.

The F2 are going to get hurt! I just hope she doesn't let them propose to her. :Frown:

I agree, but I doubt Ashley walking away alone is an option. I hope she decides to date both IRL for a while. Would they both go along with that? IDK (I wouldn't!). Maybe that explains Fijiman's spoiler about having no other choice but to go with JP -- she gave them both the date option and Ben declined.

I know, really reaching here. Aaaaagh, this show exhausts me.

But Fijiman said that she chose Ben F. so how does that make sense??

Yes, Fijiman told Love_Me that Ash was engaged to Ben. Then cupcakes found and posted this:

Possible F1 *Spoilers* - Thread #1
Love_Me, your source is leaving messages on FB:


came to fiji excited and left crying


she had on other choose but to go with jp


and that wyh ben stayed in the westin

I am confused on what he is saying. Here is my translation:
"Came to fiji excited and left crying. She had no other choice but to go with JP and that is why Ben stayed at the Westin"

Obviously there's a wide range of interpretation to be had here. I'm not sure what to think.

Bringing this forward....could Ben have stayed in the Westin while JP went on a date with her or maybe during the FRC, while JP was being rejected? Maybe he meant she had one other choice, it was JP. He did emphatically tell Love Me she picked Ben.
Where is there a Westin in Fiji??

Nutty thanks for bringing that forward and getting me off my Kovacs crying jag LOL.

Okay, the thought also crossed my mind that that Ben was in the Westin while Ash and JP were at the FRC. I thought perhaps it could be that it was JP upset and crying and Ash had no other choice but to go with him...to the car or whatever. Probably way off base. I'm blaming it on the meds!!! :D

There is a Westin in Denaru which is not far from Vomo Island.

pavalygurl wrote:Nutty thanks for bringing that forward and getting me off my Kovacs crying jag LOL.

Okay, the thought also crossed my mind that that Ben was in the Westin while Ash and JP were at the FRC. I thought perhaps it could be that it was JP upset and crying and Ash had no other choice but to go with him...to the car or whatever. Probably way off base. I'm blaming it on the meds!!! :D

There is a Westin in Denaru which is not far from Vomo Island.

I am still thinking he could have simply meant her other choice was JP. I am looking at Westin Denaru pics now....still looking for those darn white wicker chairs!