Re: Reality Steve - Thread #2

[Guest]

If we will all take a trip down memory lane, Ashley behaved very badly during group dates with Brad. I remember more than one, "Group dates suck" coming from our little girl cupcake. She can relate to and understands completely how JP is feeling...and she told him that when she gave him the group date rose. Ashly told JP that hearing he was having a really hard week broke her heart. JP was being totally honest with Ashley in how he was feeling. Ashley said multiple times that you have to have complete honesty in a relationship. Whether JP is F1 or F2, her actions on the show and her blog this week show that she respected his sensitive, vulnerable and raw emotion.

I would also ask out of respect for our fellow board members who have been physically, verbally and emotionally abused, please refrain from using the word "dangerous" when you have no real clue what it is to fear for your life at the hands of someone you love.

I think that the JP love or fansite as it is becoming is getting pretty strangling for other posters here........really too bad. Some posters on here today, including myself are just trying to voice our opinions and we are being attacked for doing so..........very, very sad.

Coastal, I am sorry you are feeling attacked. I have always been very respectful of your opinions and invited you to share them with me. One downfall to posting something on a message board is it takes the human factor out of communication. When we say something face to face to someone that causes pain, we can see that reaction instantly. Not so much on a board. Some words that are being thrown out are causing pain and I am just asking that we all try to be respectful and kind to one another. That does not mean that we can't have differing opinions and even post snark. I think we all know the difference. Thanks.

Thankyou very much for this post. Yes, you have always given my posts some thought and consideration.....today, for some reason, it really turned into a JP fansite board and when other posters questioned some reactions that they were having to JP's attitude last night, the majority of them were attacked. I too got the pm's regarding that so do understand where some of them are coming from. I started getting attacked first thing this morning with babymama, then it continued through the day...........just one of those days for me. I have asked mnm to respond to my question as I am really wanting to understand what she meant through her post. Again, when I was here earlier, it was 7:00am west coast time, then went for a sleep and got back on later.........that is when I started responding to posts again......Just curious as to what mnm was trying to say is all. Just so you all know, yes, I have numerous sources in the entertainment biz as well as the hospitality industry, therefore rarely have only one source coming to me at a time with the same info..........this time, there have been over 10 coming to me. some of them I eliminated myself based on what they were telling me, then recently I am getting 5 more coming to me with all the same info as the first ones. Also coincidentally one of those sources said the same stuff to me about Ben F and Ryan, well before RS came out with his spoilers.........when nothing else materialized and I couldn't confirm things, I dropped it as just "white noise". Then Love_Me and Fijiman confirmed one of the sources so started heavily checking into things. When and if I get part 2 of the clues confirmed on Monday's HTD's epi, then I will feel confident to expose everything. Suffice to say..........Fijiman's first comments to Love about Ben being F1 really look possible. Then Ryan comes into things more than RS thinks. Still trying to confirm all that will happen, but it has been alluded to the fact that Ryan comes back with more info to share with Ash, and might infact be one of those suits on FRC since those suits seem too tall to be JP. Will expose when I feel more confident. Surely all can understand my hesitation after once again taking another round from babymama this am. Thanks for understanding.

[allykat]

Alanna, you nailed it. I posted on some thread that the fact Ashley said she just started her journal and mentioned Ali advised her to, means she knows how the edit is going to be showing the F2 coming more to the front, and it will be harder for her F1. So, she'll have the journal to go to and show him to reassure him, just like Ali did with Roberto.

JMO ~ If JP is not F1 and it's Ben, that journal should have been started in Hong Kong, don't ya think???

This is probably the wrong thread, but just had to say ICAM. The journal gave it away for me. Ash and JP have an amazing date in HK where she told him that she wants him to understand the entire journey and wants to be honest with him so he doesn’t look back and wonder. Then she suddenly starts a journal this week to let the F1 know what’s really happening – a week when JP would be getting a group date while she was on individual dates including one that went overnight. Seems like JP knew what he was talking about in his vlog when he said HK was a special night for both him and Ashley.

I was doubtful after last night’s edit, and I'm among the group that were really turned off by his behavior/edit last night. It actually made me a lot less enthusiastic about this relationship. But her blog today was a pretty clear signal that JP is it, at least to me.

[Beeleever]

I must be lost ... I thought I was in the RS thread. *snark attack*

[Cari]

If we will all take a trip down memory lane, Ashley behaved very badly during group dates with Brad. I remember more than one, "Group dates suck" coming from our little girl cupcake. She can relate to and understands completely how JP is feeling...and she told him that when she gave him the group date rose. Ashly told JP that hearing he was having a really hard week broke her heart. JP was being totally honest with Ashley in how he was feeling. Ashley said multiple times that you have to have complete honesty in a relationship. Whether JP is F1 or F2, her actions on the show and her blog this week show that she respected his sensitive, vulnerable and raw emotion.

I would also ask out of respect for our fellow board members who have been physically, verbally and emotionally abused, please refrain from using the word "dangerous" when you have no real clue what it is to fear for your life at the hands of someone you love.

:goodjob:

I saw nothing wrong with the way JP acted., neither did the unspoiled fans I work with. Yes, he was upset but instead of saying something he shouldn't, he removed himself from the situation. I see that as classy, not dangerous or out of control. Like Chris said, he discussed it openly with Ashley, he handled it right. I know I'd have a hard time seeing other girls macking on a guy I was interested in! I'm glad I will never be put in that kind of situation!

I've a temper! When i was younger, I get ballistic when i'm mad. I throw the things i get my hands on. I'm complete opposites with my elder brother who just keeps quiet when he's angry. He locks himself up in his room and just like JP, lay on his bed with his eyes closed. My discipler also suggested that whenever i feel like my anger will go out of control, instead of counting up to 10 (that won't do!). I pray to God in a plea of help. And yes, she suggested that i go out of the room or excuse myself to cool off. Because i do have the tendency to fight/argue with another, not budging one bit. I'm still a work in progress, thank God!

I think what JP did was classic. Yes, Lucas et all saw he was in a foul mood all week. By now, each one knows how one's boat floats. But did we hear anyone of them getting mad at JP for taking it on them? Nah. JP being a guy could have taken it out on Dino who seemed like goading JP about Ben's all nighter. He could have lashed out on the guys who keeps asking him questions when they know already Why he's in a foul mood.

And as already explained, if Ashley is not cool with JP being a Bratinella last night, you would get a hint from Ashley's blog. And being in his shoes last season, Ashley felt empathy with JP instead.

eta

RS thread? RS who? kiddiinnnnggg!

[noobsleuth]

I must be lost ... I thought I was in the RS thread. *snark attack*

[Guest]

Alanna, you nailed it. I posted on some thread that the fact Ashley said she just started her journal and mentioned Ali advised her to, means she knows how the edit is going to be showing the F2 coming more to the front, and it will be harder for her F1. So, she'll have the journal to go to and show him to reassure him, just like Ali did with Roberto.

JMO ~ If JP is not F1 and it's Ben, that journal should have been started in Hong Kong, don't ya think???

[klarson79]

I think all people just need to remember how they come across when they post...might make for a more peaceful board. "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar"

[Beeleever]

If we will all take a trip down memory lane, Ashley behaved very badly during group dates with Brad. I remember more than one, "Group dates suck" coming from our little girl cupcake. She can relate to and understands completely how JP is feeling...and she told him that when she gave him the group date rose. Ashly told JP that hearing he was having a really hard week broke her heart. JP was being totally honest with Ashley in how he was feeling. Ashley said multiple times that you have to have complete honesty in a relationship. Whether JP is F1 or F2, her actions on the show and her blog this week show that she respected his sensitive, vulnerable and raw emotion.

I would also ask out of respect for our fellow board members who have been physically, verbally and emotionally abused, please refrain from using the word "dangerous" when you have no real clue what it is to fear for your life at the hands of someone you love.

I think that the JP love or fansite as it is becoming is getting pretty strangling for other posters here........really too bad. Some posters on here today, including myself are just trying to voice our opinions and we are being attacked for doing so..........very, very sad.

Coastal, I am sorry you are feeling attacked. I have always been very respectful of your opinions and invited you to share them with me. One downfall to posting something on a message board is it takes the human factor out of communication. When we say something face to face to someone that causes pain, we can see that reaction instantly. Not so much on a board. Some words that are being thrown out are causing pain and I am just asking that we all try to be respectful and kind to one another. That does not mean that we can't have differing opinions and even post snark. I think we all know the difference. Thanks.

[Alanna]

I'm sure JP would have loved to skip the whole week in Taiwan (he basically said so on the show), or stay in his room as much as possible, but he is filming a TV show, and obviously the producers aren't going to allow that.

Exactly. Now if he was in a relationship, or trying to be in one, with Lucas and didn't want to talk about it, then yeah, red flag. However, his focus is Ashley and he did talk to her about it in an honest and healthy way. It seemed got a little nervous at first, probably because of her dad and because the last guy she was hooking up with on TV was named Brad Womack, but they talked about it and they both came away satisfied after handling it like mature adults. Yay in my book.

Starting a journal at this point in the show tells me this was her "$hit just got real" moment and they both knew it.

Love it Alanna!! Always the voice of reason!

I can't believe it, but this show has got me to while I watch it! I guess it took me long enough, since I started watching in season 1!!!

She really is!!! Go Alanna! :missclap:

HAHA. In my dreams but thank you. So sweet!

[klarson79]

I'm sure JP would have loved to skip the whole week in Taiwan (he basically said so on the show), or stay in his room as much as possible, but he is filming a TV show, and obviously the producers aren't going to allow that.

Exactly. Now if he was in a relationship, or trying to be in one, with Lucas and didn't want to talk about it, then yeah, red flag. However, his focus is Ashley and he did talk to her about it in an honest and healthy way. It seemed got a little nervous at first, probably because of her dad and because the last guy she was hooking up with on TV was named Brad Womack, but they talked about it and they both came away satisfied after handling it like mature adults. Yay in my book.

Starting a journal at this point in the show tells me this was her "$hit just got real" moment and they both knew it.

Love it Alanna!! Always the voice of reason!

I can't believe it, but this show has got me to while I watch it! I guess it took me long enough, since I started watching in season 1!!!

She really is!!! Go Alanna! :missclap:

[Ne14fan]

I'm sure JP would have loved to skip the whole week in Taiwan (he basically said so on the show), or stay in his room as much as possible, but he is filming a TV show, and obviously the producers aren't going to allow that.

Exactly. Now if he was in a relationship, or trying to be in one, with Lucas and didn't want to talk about it, then yeah, red flag. However, his focus is Ashley and he did talk to her about it in an honest and healthy way. It seemed got a little nervous at first, probably because of her dad and because the last guy she was hooking up with on TV was named Brad Womack, but they talked about it and they both came away satisfied after handling it like mature adults. Yay in my book.

Starting a journal at this point in the show tells me this was her "$hit just got real" moment and they both knew it.

Love it Alanna!! Always the voice of reason!

I can't believe it, but this show has got me to while I watch it! I guess it took me long enough, since I started watching in season 1!!!

[Guest]

One thing that is right.........Ashley is the one that matters.

If that's the case then it seems to me Ashley addressed the issue of JP's behavior (and I guess Lucas's too) in her People blog this week:

I had a great time on this group date. After watching it, I had no idea how high emotions were running at that point! A part of me feels awful that this week was not enjoyable for some of the guys, but it also makes me feel good knowing that they had genuine feelings and were not afraid to express frustrations.

There's something about people showing their emotions that viewers tend to frown upon. They are said to be weak or an emotional mess. To me, showing emotion is a sign of sincerity and strength.

Yep Ashley's opinion is the only one that matters and she addressed it in her blog... case closed. Now can we get back to the real public enemy #1 here, RS?

Because everyone here is allowed to post their opinions, whether others agree with them or not. But I thought what wasn't allowed is this to turn into a fansite, or attacking other posters for their opinion.........both of those things happened here today...........IMO.

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