Re: Reality Steve - Thread #2

[clueless]

I still think there is a good possibility that there are two final rose ceremonies this season. I know I questioned this before, but why are there screencaps of Ashley in the same FRC dress in two different locations, with completely different hairstyles and different jewelry (a bracelet in one and not the other)? I thought once she was dressed she proceeded on to the ceremony site. Also, in the L&S article it states that the ceremony took place on a terrace. I could certainly be mistaken (as I often am) but the screencaps of Ashley with the Final two does not look like it takes place on a terrace to me. Am I completely off my rocker for questioning this?

[anders]

I haven't read RS blog yet today..But sounds like he is so sure..I guess time will tell.

I do believe that Ashley S is the best clue to Ashley H being happy..I do believe that she probably is with her F!..
I also rmember when she did the 411 with Chris H earlier in the season..and they were joking about weather she had a engagement ring on her left hand...

Isn't time pretty soon for her to start her media rounds again?..This season has seemed so long and drawn out.

he does seem to be so sure - but he was also sooooooo sure Ali was single, and Brad picked Chantal - to the point he was very rude to anyone who even questioned him. I don't see him doing that to this extent this season - just standing behind what he said, but I'm not betting the farm on him being right, he sources have disappointed him before.

[Guest]

Well.....they should have given me a break then. I was a JP fan until the orphanage date when I saw how cute Ben and AShley were together. LOL

[Guest]

LOL...sorry.....of course it is opinions......you just had to have been there. LOL It was downright evidence.

[Guest]

I have been thinking the reason they show so much of JP is they expect Ashley not to choose him, and he will be the next Bachelor. Jesse from Deanna's season was never thought to be a contender until his home town date. Then by their fantasy date in the Bahamas, you could see they had fallen in love. Maybe we'll see from the fantasy dates how it all goes. From what we saw of the clips of the HTD, Ben's mom seemed great and warm, while JP's mother was only worried about JP and a little too strident (for Ashley to consider as a mother in law.)
Maybe she rejected JP as F2 and then when Ben was supposed to arrive, she thought he had cold feet so she ran to get him. Whoever the second guy is, he's taller than her and she's looking in his eyes. With the first guy (who I once thought was Ben), she's looking everywhere but at him and doesn't stop playing with her hair.

On thing I noticed is thatn his last episode, around the 2 minute mark, they had all the guys lined up with the same sneakers on, They were even arranged by height. Ames is by far the tallest, Constantine is taller than Ben, and Ben is taller than JP. When she is with Constantine, she comes up to his armpit or chin. Ben is also much taller than her. JP, not so much.

I may have been wrong about the thumbs, JP's seems to have a knot on his right index finger that Ben's doesn't have. And JP's fingers seem more splayed.

So I'm back to having an open mind. I can't see Ashley moving to CA given her school commitment, but I think Ben has really fallen for her and she'd love his life. I can see her and JP running out of things they have in common and things to talk about pretty quickly. He seems like a pretty superficial guy. As quirky as Ames was, he seemed to have such a smart head on his shoulders, even for romantic things, and I'd bet if he chose her, he'd have done everything he could to make her happy. It would have been an exciting life, with his love for travel and his money and appreciation of culture.

Last thought: They do keep the F1 hidden more than they are hiding JP. He practically narrated last night's show. I think he's being groomed for the next Bachelor. (Ben on the other hand, I doubt would do it, he's really into his wine business. The reason they are playing Ryan up so much is that in case JP doesn't become the next Bachelor, he's probably their next choice.

So I guess JP has fallen into last place for me, behind Ben. If by some chance she ends up with Ryan, I'll be sad for her. They are so not in each other's worlds. Just my opinion.

Well stated ZG...........I believe from what I know from sources, Ben is actually the F1, Ryan is the next bach if she doesn't choose him. I am thinking that last night was actually the beginning of the end for JP's good edit. It is confussing but all hell hit the board today around here..........that's for sure.,............LOL

I agree with the post. Very well thought out. I guess it's safe to state my opinion.

AND Yes, I came on earlier and wasn't received well in another forum with my thoughts on Ryan being at the FRC and was presented with loads and loads of evidence on why that just isn't a possibility. Sooooo, I came back on just a couple of hours ago. And my goodness, I didn't know if it was safe or not in here. I left the other site I had been in because of that kind of stuff. Up until today, I thought this forum was actually pretty even keeled. I was so surprised.

Well, it seemed that this turned into the JP fansite board today.........shame. I think the word you might be searching for is opinions as to why that isn't a possibility. I don't think anyone here has concrete evidence one way or the other. just sayin...........

[Guest]

I have been thinking the reason they show so much of JP is they expect Ashley not to choose him, and he will be the next Bachelor. Jesse from Deanna's season was never thought to be a contender until his home town date. Then by their fantasy date in the Bahamas, you could see they had fallen in love. Maybe we'll see from the fantasy dates how it all goes. From what we saw of the clips of the HTD, Ben's mom seemed great and warm, while JP's mother was only worried about JP and a little too strident (for Ashley to consider as a mother in law.)
Maybe she rejected JP as F2 and then when Ben was supposed to arrive, she thought he had cold feet so she ran to get him. Whoever the second guy is, he's taller than her and she's looking in his eyes. With the first guy (who I once thought was Ben), she's looking everywhere but at him and doesn't stop playing with her hair.

On thing I noticed is thatn his last episode, around the 2 minute mark, they had all the guys lined up with the same sneakers on, They were even arranged by height. Ames is by far the tallest, Constantine is taller than Ben, and Ben is taller than JP. When she is with Constantine, she comes up to his armpit or chin. Ben is also much taller than her. JP, not so much.

I may have been wrong about the thumbs, JP's seems to have a knot on his right index finger that Ben's doesn't have. And JP's fingers seem more splayed.

So I'm back to having an open mind. I can't see Ashley moving to CA given her school commitment, but I think Ben has really fallen for her and she'd love his life. I can see her and JP running out of things they have in common and things to talk about pretty quickly. He seems like a pretty superficial guy. As quirky as Ames was, he seemed to have such a smart head on his shoulders, even for romantic things, and I'd bet if he chose her, he'd have done everything he could to make her happy. It would have been an exciting life, with his love for travel and his money and appreciation of culture.

Last thought: They do keep the F1 hidden more than they are hiding JP. He practically narrated last night's show. I think he's being groomed for the next Bachelor. (Ben on the other hand, I doubt would do it, he's really into his wine business. The reason they are playing Ryan up so much is that in case JP doesn't become the next Bachelor, he's probably their next choice.

So I guess JP has fallen into last place for me, behind Ben. If by some chance she ends up with Ryan, I'll be sad for her. They are so not in each other's worlds. Just my opinion.

Well stated ZG...........I believe from what I know from sources, Ben is actually the F1, Ryan is the next bach if she doesn't choose him. I am thinking that last night was actually the beginning of the end for JP's good edit. It is confussing but all hell hit the board today around here..........that's for sure.,............LOL

I agree with the post. Very well thought out. I guess it's safe to state my opinion.

AND Yes, I came on earlier and wasn't received well in another forum with my thoughts on Ryan being at the FRC and was presented with loads and loads of evidence on why that just isn't a possibility. Sooooo, I came back on just a couple of hours ago. And my goodness, I didn't know if it was safe or not in here. I left the other site I had been in because of that kind of stuff. Up until today, I thought this forum was actually pretty even keeled. I was so surprised.

[Guest]

I have been thinking the reason they show so much of JP is they expect Ashley not to choose him, and he will be the next Bachelor. Jesse from Deanna's season was never thought to be a contender until his home town date. Then by their fantasy date in the Bahamas, you could see they had fallen in love. Maybe we'll see from the fantasy dates how it all goes. From what we saw of the clips of the HTD, Ben's mom seemed great and warm, while JP's mother was only worried about JP and a little too strident (for Ashley to consider as a mother in law.)
Maybe she rejected JP as F2 and then when Ben was supposed to arrive, she thought he had cold feet so she ran to get him. Whoever the second guy is, he's taller than her and she's looking in his eyes. With the first guy (who I once thought was Ben), she's looking everywhere but at him and doesn't stop playing with her hair.

On thing I noticed is thatn his last episode, around the 2 minute mark, they had all the guys lined up with the same sneakers on, They were even arranged by height. Ames is by far the tallest, Constantine is taller than Ben, and Ben is taller than JP. When she is with Constantine, she comes up to his armpit or chin. Ben is also much taller than her. JP, not so much.

I may have been wrong about the thumbs, JP's seems to have a knot on his right index finger that Ben's doesn't have. And JP's fingers seem more splayed.

So I'm back to having an open mind. I can't see Ashley moving to CA given her school commitment, but I think Ben has really fallen for her and she'd love his life. I can see her and JP running out of things they have in common and things to talk about pretty quickly. He seems like a pretty superficial guy. As quirky as Ames was, he seemed to have such a smart head on his shoulders, even for romantic things, and I'd bet if he chose her, he'd have done everything he could to make her happy. It would have been an exciting life, with his love for travel and his money and appreciation of culture.

Last thought: They do keep the F1 hidden more than they are hiding JP. He practically narrated last night's show. I think he's being groomed for the next Bachelor. (Ben on the other hand, I doubt would do it, he's really into his wine business. The reason they are playing Ryan up so much is that in case JP doesn't become the next Bachelor, he's probably their next choice.

So I guess JP has fallen into last place for me, behind Ben. If by some chance she ends up with Ryan, I'll be sad for her. They are so not in each other's worlds. Just my opinion.

Well stated ZG...........I believe from what I know from sources, Ben is actually the F1, Ryan is the next bach if she doesn't choose him. I am thinking that last night was actually the beginning of the end for JP's good edit. It is confussing but all hell hit the board today around here..........that's for sure.,............LOL

[ZG Champion]

I have been thinking the reason they show so much of JP is they expect Ashley not to choose him, and he will be the next Bachelor. Jesse from Deanna's season was never thought to be a contender until his home town date. Then by their fantasy date in the Bahamas, you could see they had fallen in love. Maybe we'll see from the fantasy dates how it all goes. From what we saw of the clips of the HTD, Ben's mom seemed great and warm, while JP's mother was only worried about JP and a little too strident (for Ashley to consider as a mother in law.)
Maybe she rejected JP as F2 and then when Ben was supposed to arrive, she thought he had cold feet so she ran to get him. Whoever the second guy is, he's taller than her and she's looking in his eyes. With the first guy (who I once thought was Ben), she's looking everywhere but at him and doesn't stop playing with her hair.

On thing I noticed is thatn his last episode, around the 2 minute mark, they had all the guys lined up with the same sneakers on, They were even arranged by height. Ames is by far the tallest, Constantine is taller than Ben, and Ben is taller than JP. When she is with Constantine, she comes up to his armpit or chin. Ben is also much taller than her. JP, not so much.

I may have been wrong about the thumbs, JP's seems to have a knot on his right index finger that Ben's doesn't have. And JP's fingers seem more splayed.

So I'm back to having an open mind. I can't see Ashley moving to CA given her school commitment, but I think Ben has really fallen for her and she'd love his life. I can see her and JP running out of things they have in common and things to talk about pretty quickly. He seems like a pretty superficial guy. As quirky as Ames was, he seemed to have such a smart head on his shoulders, even for romantic things, and I'd bet if he chose her, he'd have done everything he could to make her happy. It would have been an exciting life, with his love for travel and his money and appreciation of culture.

Last thought: They do keep the F1 hidden more than they are hiding JP. He practically narrated last night's show. I think he's being groomed for the next Bachelor. (Ben on the other hand, I doubt would do it, he's really into his wine business. The reason they are playing Ryan up so much is that in case JP doesn't become the next Bachelor, he's probably their next choice.

So I guess JP has fallen into last place for me, behind Ben. If by some chance she ends up with Ryan, I'll be sad for her. They are so not in each other's worlds. Just my opinion.

[Guest]

I've been gone most the night but have looked back a few pages to see what the fuss is about. I really haven't seen anyone be attacked except maybe JP. Which is very unfortunate because he really doesnt deserve it. I don't see anyone attacking Ben even though he has not been on perfect behavior especially with the twitter flirting and demeaning blog about Ashley that he seemed to enjoy. I don't think either are a big deal since its pretty obvious that he's F2 anyway. As for RS, he said something in his blog today that I really agree with and that is even without the spoilers, this season is very easy to figure out. If someone disagrees with JP as F1, that's great but give me something concrete.

As far as anyone being attacked on here today, Patty, a lot of the neutral posters and Ben lovers were attacked on here. This turned into a JP fanboard today.........one of the rules is that it shouldn't be that way.

You say that if anyone has some info to dispute that JP is F1.......give you concrete evidence. What concrete evidence do you have that JP is F1?? just sayin........

Maybe JP was "attacked", your term, but his behaviour on last night's show was definately childish, imo. The other guys as well as all the other contestants through time have all been through the same pressure cooker, yet he is the only one acting like that............something not right about that for sure.

As far as it being obvious that Ben is F2, I beg to differ on that............there is nothing obvious about that at all.

I watched this show unspoiled until the Chiang Mai episode. I formed my own opinions on the people I liked. I loved JP from the beginning, but after the orphanage date, with what she said in front of all the guys about how strong her feelings were developing for Ben, and what she stated in her blog. I started noticing Ben and went back and watched the first episodes with new eyes. So, beginning with the orphanage date, I jumped the JP ship and hopped on Ben's side of the fence. But, that is just because I saw how they were reacting to each other. I still like JP, but I just see something special with Ben. After the Chiang Mai episode, I couldn't stand it and I had to look at the spoilers. And of course Ben wasn't listed, but I still haven't lost hope.

But, it is definitely hard to be a Ben supporter, even if you do like JP too, the masses are so overwhelming. However, this place is still a lot friendlier than the Joker Updates site or another place I found. I like this place. Until I read like the last 30 pages of posts, I've thought this was a very even keeled spoiler site. Kind of surprised me.

[Guest]

We have a list going of "evidence" for JP and it's pretty long. Including the fact that we determined last week that JP (or the guy with the identical cheek and jawline) arrives to FRC later than Ben (or the guy wearing his watch). Hopefully someone can get a list going for Ben. Maybe you can start it up for us.

There is a list going for Ben, but much of that concrete evidence seems to be ignored. Also I have my own concrete evidence but that seems to be ignored by some here too........just sayin.

I haven't read all of your posts but didn't u post earlier that JP may not even be at the FRC? I would be interested in why u think that since we did match his face to one of the guys at the FRC.

NO, I never said that Patty, what I did say is that of the guys pics in the suits, they are too tall for JP. That is what I said, not to mention that one of those suits might match up to Ryan..........

I have made several comments earlier that I believe by what I am seeing with my own eyes......so it is just my opinion. I don't think either of those guys is JP. I think it is Ryan....because I had a "moment in a screen shot" back when the Hong Kong episode aired from the back of Ryan's neck and side of his face. And I thought well "all be darned". But, I didn't make any comments over here about it. it was in another thread.

The opinion wasn't very popular......so, needless to say......I just quietly backed out of the room. And forgot about it. I would be interested to know that someone else thinks this is Ryan too. The guys just too tall for JP. Wrong build. From the Hong Kong episode. I honestly believe it is Ryan. BUT, that is MY opinion only. Just a hunch I have.

[chicagoowl]

We have a list going of "evidence" for JP and it's pretty long. Including the fact that we determined last week that JP (or the guy with the identical cheek and jawline) arrives to FRC later than Ben (or the guy wearing his watch). Hopefully someone can get a list going for Ben. Maybe you can start it up for us.

There is a list going for Ben, but much of that concrete evidence seems to be ignored. Also I have my own concrete evidence but that seems to be ignored by some here too........just sayin.

So if it turns out you were right, and almost everyone else was wrong, how great will that be!

Go with how you feel, and let others do the same, we'll all know for sure in a few weeks.

Voice of reason... :brav:

[Guest]

IMO right now, just because of the interactions shown without spoilers, I would say that JP is in the position to be Ashley's choice. (which coincides with RS)

However, in Deanna's season of the b'ette, everything changed at the HTD - the F1 guy took himself out, one guy became a contender, one guy dropped in the rankings, and one guy became the next bachelor .... it can happen.

They seem to be playing musical chairs with the cast this time.

What about what Fijiman said...........I have a source that said the same thing........Ben is F1. Love was working fijiman, I was working my sources..........Love and I were both in contact regarding it I really don't think RS has it right this time..........just sayin.

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