Episode 4 - 6/13 - Discussion - Spoilers

There are so many threads, I do not even know where to ask this!

I have read variations of this in several different online articles:
"Ashley wanted a second chance with Bentley, so she begged producers to get him on the phone and get him on a plane out to see her," a Bachelorette insider shares. "She couldn't stop thinking about him after he left her."
Upon Ashley's request, producers called Bentley every day for two weeks until he finally agreed to fly to Hong Kong."

How much do you think is truth & how much fabricated for drama?
There is going to have to be a lot of redemption for Ashley & her F1 choice, to make it believable. Hope that will be possible.

I believe some is true and some facbricated. She might have ask for him to come back for closure because he left say dot dot right?? not out right saying he is coming back right? did not watch his part dont like him mute his scene sorry. After the closure ashley heart will be free to move on with her life with the one who has capture a part of her since the DB has left.

reason wrote:JP got the GROUP date rose not on the 1 on 1 dates. He got it where ashley got hers in Brad season before hometown dates.

JP got the last date Rose in episode 6 Hong Kong before HT dates there was no date roses on episode 7 and JP got group date rose in episode 7 before the HT dates , Go back up there where i posted RS run down from Monday the 13th on up.

Okay got it I got mix up. Have not pay attention to RS blog not interested to go read, just take the final 2 from reading here and sleuthed and came to the conclusion, this is a wonky season and it is going in a way that I suspicously think it will go and JP still wont win.

nutty1 wrote:There are so many threads, I do not even know where to ask this!

I have read variations of this in several different online articles:
"Ashley wanted a second chance with Bentley, so she begged producers to get him on the phone and get him on a plane out to see her," a Bachelorette insider shares. "She couldn't stop thinking about him after he left her."
Upon Ashley's request, producers called Bentley every day for two weeks until he finally agreed to fly to Hong Kong."

How much do you think is truth & how much fabricated for drama?
There is going to have to be a lot of redemption for Ashley & her F1 choice, to make it believable. Hope that will be possible.

Betcha, tptb kept grilling her on if she had closure with Bently, thereby making her doubt herself so she was left with no choice but to bring him back.

nutty1 wrote:There are so many threads, I do not even know where to ask this!

I have read variations of this in several different online articles:
"Ashley wanted a second chance with Bentley, so she begged producers to get him on the phone and get him on a plane out to see her," a Bachelorette insider shares. "She couldn't stop thinking about him after he left her."
Upon Ashley's request, producers called Bentley every day for two weeks until he finally agreed to fly to Hong Kong."

How much do you think is truth & how much fabricated for drama?
There is going to have to be a lot of redemption for Ashley & her F1 choice, to make it believable. Hope that will be possible.

Just go to a store today or tomorrow and look at the newsracks and you will see that Bentley is a PR Goldmine for TPTB. Most magaines have Ashley on the cover with headlines about her heartbreak over Bentley. We know she will move on between last Monday and Episode 6 but the show will bring Bentley back during that Episode, if nothing else but to build the ratings with pre-show hype over his return. They will milk that return for all it is worth and no doubt wait until the 2nd hour for the dramatic reunion. After Bentley, JP will get his 2nd 1 on 1 date but average viewers will still be focused on the drama that went on between Bentley and Ashley. Board members will pay attention to the date, as they did the first 1 on 1 date Ashley had with JP but all we got to see was not even 5 minutes of time between Ashley and JP. Yes we saw and heard alot in that less than 5 minute period as we have seen on the grapevine video what will happen between them this coming Monday night, if indeed it is aired. We study screencaps and discuss all the tiny details but your average unspoiled viewers are not picking up on all of these tiny little clues.

Will it be at Ashley's request, regarding Bentley, or producers talking her into this setup so not only she but her choosen F1 will have closure over the entire Bentley situation is something only Ashley and TPTB know for sure. IMO I am opting for TPTB talking her into letting him return. Them bringing Bentley back and her rejecting him will send a very strong message to her F1 that he has taken the place of Bentley in her heart. If she was still fixated on the man she would have welcomed him back with open arms as did Jillian, with Ed, and we would have bascially had two Fantasy Date shows for Ashley so she would have more time with Bentley. Remember Ed did have a 1 on 1 date before he left and only missed the HTDs. On Jillian's show, after the HTD, they went first to Spain with Ed, Reid, Kiptyn and Wes and then to the original Fanstasy Date location of Hawaii. After Jillian's HTD Jesse K was cut and replaced by Ed and in Spain Wes was sent home.

TPTB also knew Ryan P. would be a fan favorite so they are returning him just before they hold the FRC to increase viewership. Always remember nothing happens on this show without a hidden adgenda by TPTB. They are not only taking us on a journey for Ashley to find love but a big portion of the show is also spent showcasing their next Bachelor and building his popularity with the viewers.

by happy2bme on Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:54 am
Betcha, tptb kept grilling her on if she had closure with Bently, thereby making her doubt herself so she was left with no choice but to bring him back.

This I agree with. It was those darn dots...she could have expressed regrets, but was ready to take another chance, but the producers wouldn't leave it alone. Bentley returns, she tells him to take his dots and shove it and then does move on in the direction her heart leads. Sappy, but we'll only see the dramatic glossed over version.

Samiesmom2 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:There are so many threads, I do not even know where to ask this!

I have read variations of this in several different online articles:
"Ashley wanted a second chance with Bentley, so she begged producers to get him on the phone and get him on a plane out to see her," a Bachelorette insider shares. "She couldn't stop thinking about him after he left her."
Upon Ashley's request, producers called Bentley every day for two weeks until he finally agreed to fly to Hong Kong."

How much do you think is truth & how much fabricated for drama?
There is going to have to be a lot of redemption for Ashley & her F1 choice, to make it believable. Hope that will be possible.

Just go to a store today or tomorrow and look at the newsracks and you will see that Bentley is a PR Goldmine for TPTB. Most magaines have Ashley on the cover with headlines about her heartbreak over Bentley. We know she will move on between last Monday and Episode 6 but the show will bring Bentley back during that Episode, if nothing else but to build the ratings with pre-show hype over his return. They will milk that return for all it is worth and no doubt wait until the 2nd hour for the dramatic reunion. After Bentley, JP will get his 2nd 1 on 1 date but average viewers will still be focused on the drama that went on between Bentley and Ashley. Board members will pay attention to the date, as they did the first 1 on 1 date Ashley had with JP but all we got to see was not even 5 minutes of time between Ashley and JP. Yes we saw and heard alot in that less than 5 minute period as we have seen on the grapevine video what will happen between them this coming Monday night, if indeed it is aired. We study screencaps and discuss all the tiny details but your average unspoiled viewers are not picking up on all of these tiny little clues.

Will it be at Ashley's request, regarding Bentley, or producers talking her into this setup so not only she but her choosen F1 will have closure over the entire Bentley situation is something only Ashley and TPTB know for sure. IMO I am opting for TPTB talking her into letting him return. Them bringing Bentley back and her rejecting him will send a very strong message to her F1 that he has taken the place of Bentley in her heart. If she was still fixated on the man she would have welcomed him back with open arms as did Jillian, with Ed, and we would have bascially had two Fantasy Date shows for Ashley so she would have more time with Bentley. Remember Ed did have a 1 on 1 date before he left and only missed the HTDs. On Jillian's show, after the HTD, they went first to Spain with Ed, Reid, Kiptyn and Wes and then to the original Fanstasy Date location of Hawaii. After Jillian's HTD Jesse K was cut and replaced by Ed and in Spain Wes was sent home.

TPTB also knew Ryan P. would be a fan favorite so they are returning him just before they hold the FRC to increase viewership. Always remember nothing happens on this show without a hidden adgenda by TPTB. They are not only taking us on a journey for Ashley to find love but a big portion of the show is also spent showcasing their next Bachelor and building his popularity with the viewers.

Good post Samie

Yes, Samie, good post! I do wonder if TPTB are hoping for Ryan as next Bach? (I'd like that).

Coastal wrote:

Gina wrote:I see alot of connection with Ryan and Ashely so far. Check out the fan vids section called Kissing and those kisses with Ryan are intense. Only JP and Ryan have been kissed that passionately by her, imo. She's given Ryan several date roses, he's the only one she hugged after the harmless roast of the guys and said "sorry Ryan". If I was unspoiled, I would almost faint when he's leaves as F5, esp. if Ashley lets him go after their 1 on 1 and he is not leaving for anothe reason (like Coastal posted as an option)

For some reason, I just can't trust RS's post about JP being the F1...........something about the editing isn't leading that direction...........as we've said before........the editing should also match up to why he is being showcased so much...........Fleiss has never let his F1 be seen this much before??

I know I'm late to posting but I would say that with the Roberto Ali season that they showed Roberto a lot the first few episodes. Heck he even got the FIR. I am wondering if they will start to "hide" JP in the next few episodes and bring other to the front. IMO if they end up doing that I could see it being not so obvious of him being the F1. I want to see the next few episodes to see who they highlight before I decide how obvious someone is or isn't.

Samiesmom2 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:There are so many threads, I do not even know where to ask this!

I have read variations of this in several different online articles:
"Ashley wanted a second chance with Bentley, so she begged producers to get him on the phone and get him on a plane out to see her," a Bachelorette insider shares. "She couldn't stop thinking about him after he left her."
Upon Ashley's request, producers called Bentley every day for two weeks until he finally agreed to fly to Hong Kong."

How much do you think is truth & how much fabricated for drama?
There is going to have to be a lot of redemption for Ashley & her F1 choice, to make it believable. Hope that will be possible.

Just go to a store today or tomorrow and look at the newsracks and you will see that Bentley is a PR Goldmine for TPTB. Most magaines have Ashley on the cover with headlines about her heartbreak over Bentley. We know she will move on between last Monday and Episode 6 but the show will bring Bentley back during that Episode, if nothing else but to build the ratings with pre-show hype over his return. They will milk that return for all it is worth and no doubt wait until the 2nd hour for the dramatic reunion. After Bentley, JP will get his 2nd 1 on 1 date but average viewers will still be focused on the drama that went on between Bentley and Ashley. Board members will pay attention to the date, as they did the first 1 on 1 date Ashley had with JP but all we got to see was not even 5 minutes of time between Ashley and JP. Yes we saw and heard alot in that less than 5 minute period as we have seen on the grapevine video what will happen between them this coming Monday night, if indeed it is aired. We study screencaps and discuss all the tiny details but your average unspoiled viewers are not picking up on all of these tiny little clues.

Will it be at Ashley's request, regarding Bentley, or producers talking her into this setup so not only she but her choosen F1 will have closure over the entire Bentley situation is something only Ashley and TPTB know for sure. IMO I am opting for TPTB talking her into letting him return. Them bringing Bentley back and her rejecting him will send a very strong message to her F1 that he has taken the place of Bentley in her heart. If she was still fixated on the man she would have welcomed him back with open arms as did Jillian, with Ed, and we would have bascially had two Fantasy Date shows for Ashley so she would have more time with Bentley. Remember Ed did have a 1 on 1 date before he left and only missed the HTDs. On Jillian's show, after the HTD, they went first to Spain with Ed, Reid, Kiptyn and Wes and then to the original Fanstasy Date location of Hawaii. After Jillian's HTD Jesse K was cut and replaced by Ed and in Spain Wes was sent home.

TPTB also knew Ryan P. would be a fan favorite so they are returning him just before they hold the FRC to increase viewership. Always remember nothing happens on this show without a hidden adgenda by TPTB. They are not only taking us on a journey for Ashley to find love but a big portion of the show is also spent showcasing their next Bachelor and building his popularity with the viewers.

The difference is that either Ed was held by contract to come back and remain, or he decided he would play along with their idea and see how it worked out.
Bentley really sadly never wanted a part of Ashley from the start, and I don't think they could even hold him to the threat of his contract clause. It states that if he leaves early without going through their designated channels (paraphrased), he can be made to repay all expenses incurred. All Bentley would have to do in this situation is to prove that he was mislead as to the identity of the Bachelorette. We did hear him mention Emily in the intro clip before ever got out of the limo, so he did think Emily was the Bachelorette, and they let him believe that. They had an extremely slippery hold on Bentley, and I think they knew it. What they did was to make him pay for it with that edit. However, they couldn't make him even pretend to care.
Ed, on the other hand, however it happened got involved in the situation....

I have a question... everyone is focusing on the grapevine 9 min extended preview for Monday & how it can't be JP now as its too front and centre...so has the same stuff shown with JP in that preview been also shown on previews made for TV that the general public sees? Frankly no one I know would even know that website existed. They only see the "made for TV" 30 sec previews that air between tv shows.