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Post by northernviewer Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:39 pm

Last night I spoke to a young girl I work with (she's 22) and she couldn't wait to ask me who would "win". I asked her who her favorite was and she said JP. I first told her who the final 4 were ..... her exact response to hearing who the other 3 were, besides JP, (after I had to explain who each was as she only knew JP, Ryan and William) was "ewwwwww" and then she smiled and said for sure she'll pick JP then. I told her a little bit about the extended preview that I had seen for next week and so she's real excited to watch Monday and the rest of the season as she's convinced that JP will be F1 ...... and that's with me telling her that Bentley and Ryan will be returning at some point. Just wanted to share what an unspoiled viewer is seeing.


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Post by mnmhughes Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:39 pm

reason wrote:It will be over when she sees him to let go because someone else will have stolen her heart by then. Ben F is very interested in he but he is shy around her with the whole process, he does have a hugh crush on her, he is watching trust me, he will strike when it is right.

I think Ashley will finally notice Ben this week, and I'm excited to see them interact. Isn't his 1-on-1 date next week? Maybe their love story really takes off! :hug:
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Post by pavalygurl Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:40 pm

Starshine_16 wrote:
Gina wrote:Ben F has tweets and articles promoting his winery which are recent.A friend of Ben's said Ben said he hoped being on the show would promote his winery. Ryan set up a website which includes alot about his company and his family with pictures. Constantine is back at his restaurant and inside is a huge banner that says he was on the bachelor and all the waiters are wearing roses on their lapels. laugh out loud
So far, I've heard nothing about Ames either.
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Does anyone remember the twitter activity of any other possible F1/F2's from previous seasons for compairason?

I am not positive this is a friend or a random guy he ran into who recognized him from the show. The tweet said something like "Chill guy. Hope it helps his winery" which I took to mean the guy tweeting hoped it helped not Ben saying this.
I have also seen a post talking about hearing rumors that Ben's friends are saying Ben is talking about being the next TB. Now really, how odd would that be to say this to friends who would then blab it all about, then hear it as a rumor. Color me Suspect

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Post by Guest Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:44 pm

mnmhughes wrote:
Bloomers wrote:
mnmhughes wrote:
Starshine_16 wrote:
nutty1 wrote:I wouldn't mind Ben as the hidden F1.

Neither would I nutty

I just feel badly if he is, since all we hear about is Bentley being the one she "wanted" at the end, and JP's kisses being "magical."

I feel badly for whoever is F1. They have made it look like Bentley was the guy that she truly wanted. She really isn't doing anything much to refute it with her interviews, and that one clip shows that what she said was that (paraphrase) JP had in the kisses, but Bentley had it in the heart which is just not very reassuring.

Yes, she said that when Bentley left. However, a week later, she talked about how JP's kisses were "magical" and "the best she's had there, by far." Hopefully, if Ben is F1, that was said BEFORE she ever kissed him.

It is before she kisses ben.

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Post by pavalygurl Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:45 pm

moonchild wrote:
mnmhughes wrote:
reason wrote:
Rosepetal wrote:I’m definitely looking forward to Ryan’s edit. The viewers saw him first out of the limo (even though he wasn’t), getting the first impression rose and apparently a fan favorite. Why did they highlight Ryan? In the promos we see previews of the other guys talking about him not being the same person with them as he is with Ashley. I think right or wrong he is going to be villain number two. TPTB are highlighting that Ashley’s first impressions are not always right. Can she see through this and pick the right guy. JMO. I will find out soon enough if I’m right or wrong.


You could not have put it better. There are good guys there she just have to settle down and think and look and ask the right questions and she will find the one.

And that could include JP. No need to rule him out yet, just because we don't understand the edit.

I agree. TPTB could have read all of the stuff on the boards last season, like you know you're not F1 if...........
They could be changing it up. They certainly did last season with Brad showing so much attention and concern about Emily. I thought all of that was thrown in to make Chantal jealous and insecure and get an emotional break down from her. But, I was wrong......it was real!

The thing I keep thinking also is that all social media has exploded in the last year or so. Things that held true in past seasons may not now as so many more people come into this and technology improves..more is out there to find.

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Post by Jeepers Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:47 pm

We have discussed competitiveness and I think we will be seeing some between and Ben and JP this coming episode.

JP seems to take the lead during the orphanage date in the sense of the construction piece. Jumps in with both feet. Ben shows a Sensitive side by doing the mural and gets his notice by Ashley. In some ways they will both compete with each other for the rose from different directions


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Post by northernviewer Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:48 pm

Bloomers wrote:
northernviewer wrote:
Bloomers wrote:
All of this is plausible...
JP just like Chantal would make the best next lead in my opinion. Everybody's in love with him already!

He's too outfront and too early. He is confident. We hear him say in a preview that, " I am confident. I am into her, and she is into me."
Now all of that may be true!!
However, on the Bachelor, the guy isn't supposed to say that. It is considered a little too brash or bold. He is supposed to be a little more humble than that.
It doesn't matter that several of them may have said it; what matters is who we hear edited to make the discriminating statements.

I am wondering if this is about Ashley going through several guys until she gets the right one. For instance, she gushed about Ryan, and we are talking about the roses he gets, and the way she kisses him. We know that she was enamored somewhat with cutie-pie William, and good grief, but did she ever fall over her head for Bentley.
JP is next in line, and if so, does it stop there, or is there another one before it is over?

Now, something to consider is that we have not seen Ben. It is true that it is highly unusual for us to even consider Ben at F4 for anything, but we know he gets to F2 at least! Something strong is happening somewhere...

Now, previous to last season, I would have said, "No way, no how would I ever consider Ben in the running for this thing.....

Now? Why not? Last season, although Chantal was spoiled F1, her edit looked clearly like an F2 to me, and Emily's didn't even look like a good strong F2, let alone an F1. That Emily was an F1 with her edit at all, let alone up until the date in the 7th episode in Anquilla beat all I had ever seen! :what:

I am now beginning to think that if they could have an F1 Emily with that F1 edit last season, they could be even more outrageous with the edit this season if they chose to do so. They basically hid Emily as the F1.
Yes, we saw Emily in every episode, but believe me.....we did not see Emily as the F1
. That was the craziest edit job - I called it "wonky" I have ever seen, and I made no bones about it.

I am going to have to watch this more closely before I am convinced that the lovable, full of chemistry JP is F1 and not F2; I want to be sure that Fleiss and the editors are up to more shenanigans this season.

If Emily was so "hidden", why was she the fan favorite among the casual viewers? Everybody I spoke to, and every poll had Emily as F1. The only people that didn't see Emily as F1 was boardies, partly due to RS but mostly because we didn't see Emily all that crazy about Brad. Last year it seems like that was the year of the "straight up love story" as it showed from beginning to end Brad falling for Emily and the majority of the viewing audience was thrilled!

IMO, every season has a different edit, because every season there's a different story to tell due to the circumstances that surround the lead and the contestants. This year we have Bentley who messed with her head .... that had an affect on how the rest of the season went. We know he's going to return and so is Ryan .... that's going to affect how the edit is done too and possibly the outcome of the show. Ashley's insecurites and the added confustion that Bentley added to it are IMO what's going to determine this years "story" that he producers are trying to portray. I think we need a few more weeks of dates to further see what journey Ashley is on for her season as 'ette before we're going to be able to figure out what ending the edit is trying to lead us to.

She was the audience and fan favorite, but she did not have an F1 edit. There is a difference. Just because people WANT someone to win doesn't mean they have an F1 - the winner - edit.

Brad hardily touched Emily. They didn't communicate well at all. People on the board who know edits were left scratching their heads and saying, "What is going on, here?"

The fans were hearing her tragic story and seeing this beautiful, young widow, and they fell in love with her. They liked the idea of her winning. But - that wasn't what the story was telling us at that point....
Brad was having this hot (story) affair with Chantal.....
Brad and Emily began touching a little more in the water in Costa Rica, but it wasn't until EP. 7 in Anquilla on their beach date that the edit began turning to an F1 Emily.

the bolded is a matter of opinion. The "ediit" is done for Jane Average, not boardies, so if the average viewer could see that Brad was going to choose Emily... then I guess she did get the F1 edit. I only have unspoiled friends, and they all went on and on about how Brad treated Emily different etc etc, so please don't tell me that they only wanted Emily to be F1 because of her backstory.
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Post by Guest Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:48 pm

[quote="mnmhughes"]
reason wrote:It will be over when she sees him to let go because someone else will have stolen her heart by then. Ben F is very interested in he but he is shy around her with the whole process, he does have a hugh crush on her, he is watching trust me, he will strike when it is right.

I can't wait for their date.


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Post by Guest Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:48 pm

mnmhughes wrote:
reason wrote:It will be over when she sees him to let go because someone else will have stolen her heart by then. Ben F is very interested in he but he is shy around her with the whole process, he does have a hugh crush on her, he is watching trust me, he will strike when it is right.

I think Ashley will finally notice Ben this week, and I'm excited to see them interact. Isn't his 1-on-1 date next week? Maybe their love story really takes off! :hug:


No it is the group date to the orphanage, this is week 4 and wk 5 is the 1 on 1 date.

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Post by Beeleever Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:49 pm

mnmhughes wrote:
Bloomers wrote:
mnmhughes wrote:
Starshine_16 wrote:
nutty1 wrote:I wouldn't mind Ben as the hidden F1.

Neither would I nutty

I just feel badly if he is, since all we hear about is Bentley being the one she "wanted" at the end, and JP's kisses being "magical."

I feel badly for whoever is F1. They have made it look like Bentley was the guy that she truly wanted. She really isn't doing anything much to refute it with her interviews, and that one clip shows that what she said was that (paraphrase) JP had in the kisses, but Bentley had it in the heart which is just not very reassuring.

Yes, she said that when Bentley left. However, a week later, she talked about how JP's kisses were "magical" and "the best she's had there, by far." Hopefully, if Ben is F1, that was said BEFORE she ever kissed him.

This is what Gina Carbone on Wetpaint posted in her episode review:

“JP over Bentley in the kiss department,” she says. It’s interesting, because in the media screener they showed online earlier this week, she also adds “But Bentley over JP in the heart department.” But ABC deleted that in the version that aired. Hmm....

That would really hurt whoever her F1 is...no no
I agree, she is not showing us a happy, elated and in love Ashley post season. hmmm
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Post by cupcakes Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:51 pm

Beeleever wrote:This is what Gina Carbone on Wetpaint posted in her episode review:

“JP over Bentley in the kiss department,” she says. It’s interesting, because in the media screener they showed online earlier this week, she also adds “But Bentley over JP in the heart department.” But ABC deleted that in the version that aired. Hmm....

That would really hurt whoever her F1 is...no no
I agree, she is not showing us a happy, elated and in love Ashley post season. hmmm

Thanks Bee for posting this. I didn't know she said that.
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Post by klarson79 Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:52 pm

Beeleever wrote:
mnmhughes wrote:
Bloomers wrote:
mnmhughes wrote:
Starshine_16 wrote:
nutty1 wrote:I wouldn't mind Ben as the hidden F1.

Neither would I nutty

I just feel badly if he is, since all we hear about is Bentley being the one she "wanted" at the end, and JP's kisses being "magical."

I feel badly for whoever is F1. They have made it look like Bentley was the guy that she truly wanted. She really isn't doing anything much to refute it with her interviews, and that one clip shows that what she said was that (paraphrase) JP had in the kisses, but Bentley had it in the heart which is just not very reassuring.

Yes, she said that when Bentley left. However, a week later, she talked about how JP's kisses were "magical" and "the best she's had there, by far." Hopefully, if Ben is F1, that was said BEFORE she ever kissed him.

This is what Gina Carbone on Wetpaint posted in her episode review:

“JP over Bentley in the kiss department,” she says. It’s interesting, because in the media screener they showed online earlier this week, she also adds “But Bentley over JP in the heart department.” But ABC deleted that in the version that aired. Hmm....

That would really hurt whoever her F1 is...no no
I agree, she is not showing us a happy, elated and in love Ashley post season. hmmm

Was that said before or after Bentley left? And maybe it doesn't matter either way since she obviously was still shaken up about Bentley even after her great date with JP.

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