Episode 4 - 6/13 - Discussion - Spoilers

chaslom4 wrote:Didn't they show at least something with Emily just about every week as well?

It seems like they did. At least in some form or another. Special picnics, special alone times, etc.

mnmhughes wrote:

Gina wrote:I actually really like all the F5 guys. JP, Ben F. Ames, Dino and Ryan. So I'll be happy whoever she choses. I just want a happy ending and real love this time around and a happy couple at the AFRC.

Cheers to a happy ending for Ashley.

Just watched Monday nights preview on TVgrapevine its nine minutes long .
My favorite part was Ashely and JP s .

cupcakes wrote:

allykat wrote:

moonchild wrote:I am sorry but I am on the JP downer wagon, too.

After watching the extended preview on Grapevine, I started to see that the JP edit is the Chantal/Bevin edit. Instant chemistry and attraction. Putting their feelings and emotions out there early on. The lead claiming that they are the one that make them feel the most comfortable. The one that....isn't chosen and is F2.

I keep asking the question, how are they going to sell this as a true romance after Ashley professed her love and affection for Bentley and not a second choice or default choice. JP has been front and center from the very beginning. Yes, there was chemistry, but the simple truth is that Ashley chose Bentley over JP. BenF on the other hand doesn't even show up in this story until after Bentley has already departed. He was never in competition with Bentley (or so they would have us believe) because he has been non-existent in the edit until after Bentley leaves. He might be her rebound guy but he isn't her default guy.

I luv, luv, luv JP and I hope I am wrong. But, for me, it's shaping up to be a JP F2 season.

I've been lurking for a few days, finally decided to post. I agree that the Grapevine video made me think it's not JP. But I don't think he's F2, I think he's Deanna - might have been F1 but she picks nobody. I don't see how anyone else can believably be the F1 at this point. We really haven't seen her interact with Ben F though, so maybe I'll change my mind after I see them this week.

I started to doubt that it's JP on the 1-on-1 date when he said 'you get hurt, then you move on' thing. I immediately thought they were setting him up to get hurt this season, then move on to find his amazing girl next season as the Bachelor. Then in the Grapevine video when he said he felt confident they were into each other it sealed my fear. When I hear the word confident I assume that TPTB left it in because it will prove false. My only hope is that I've never been right in predicting the outcome of this show, so hopefully that continues this time because I love me some JP.

allykat!

All of this is plausible...
JP just like Chantal would make the best next lead in my opinion. Everybody's in love with him already!

He's too outfront and too early. He is confident. We hear him say in a preview that, " I am confident. I am into her, and she is into me."
Now all of that may be true!!
However, on the Bachelor, the guy isn't supposed to say that. It is considered a little too brash or bold. He is supposed to be a little more humble than that.
It doesn't matter that several of them may have said it; what matters is who we hear edited to make the discriminating statements.

I am wondering if this is about Ashley going through several guys until she gets the right one. For instance, she gushed about Ryan, and we are talking about the roses he gets, and the way she kisses him. We know that she was enamored somewhat with cutie-pie William, and good grief, but did she ever fall over her head for Bentley.
JP is next in line, and if so, does it stop there, or is there another one before it is over?

Now, something to consider is that we have not seen Ben. It is true that it is highly unusual for us to even consider Ben at F4 for anything, but we know he gets to F2 at least! Something strong is happening somewhere...

Now, previous to last season, I would have said, "No way, no how would I ever consider Ben in the running for this thing.....

Now? Why not? Last season, although Chantal was spoiled F1, her edit looked clearly like an F2 to me, and Emily's didn't even look like a good strong F2, let alone an F1. That Emily was an F1 with her edit at all, let alone up until the date in the 7th episode in Anquilla beat all I had ever seen! :what:

I am now beginning to think that if they could have an F1 Emily with that F1 edit last season, they could be even more outrageous with the edit this season if they chose to do so. They basically hid Emily as the F1.
Yes, we saw Emily in every episode, but believe me.....we did not see Emily as the F1. That was the craziest edit job - I called it "wonky" I have ever seen, and I made no bones about it.

I am going to have to watch this more closely before I am convinced that the lovable, full of chemistry JP is F1 and not F2; I want to be sure that Fleiss and the editors are up to more shenanigans this season.

Right on the radar BLOOMERS

Bloomers, maybe they are needing to show a strong chemistry/connection with somebody because of Bentley's return. As far as she knows, Bentley left because he missed his daughter, so she needs to have made a stronger connection to be able to say "I've moved on" Otherwise who would believe that she was really over him and was happy with her F1.

I wouldn't mind Ben as the hidden F1.

nutty1 wrote:I wouldn't mind Ben as the hidden F1.

Neither would I nutty

Starshine_16 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:I wouldn't mind Ben as the hidden F1.

Neither would I nutty

I just feel badly if he is, since all we hear about is Bentley being the one she "wanted" at the end, and JP's kisses being "magical."

moonchild wrote:

cupcakes wrote:

moonchild wrote:This is really a test. Can anyone tell me why my posts don't get posted?

Thanks

Your post is showing up for me.

Were my previous ones?

I can see all your posts. I promise you we do not delete any of them. Do you have your settings for if someone replies to you before you hit send it previews it for you? You can set it to were it will post without having to do that.

Maybe I can find the post that got lost in the administrators panel. Give me minute to see. Sorry about that.

Bloomers wrote:

cupcakes wrote:

allykat wrote:

moonchild wrote:I am sorry but I am on the JP downer wagon, too.

After watching the extended preview on Grapevine, I started to see that the JP edit is the Chantal/Bevin edit. Instant chemistry and attraction. Putting their feelings and emotions out there early on. The lead claiming that they are the one that make them feel the most comfortable. The one that....isn't chosen and is F2.

I keep asking the question, how are they going to sell this as a true romance after Ashley professed her love and affection for Bentley and not a second choice or default choice. JP has been front and center from the very beginning. Yes, there was chemistry, but the simple truth is that Ashley chose Bentley over JP. BenF on the other hand doesn't even show up in this story until after Bentley has already departed. He was never in competition with Bentley (or so they would have us believe) because he has been non-existent in the edit until after Bentley leaves. He might be her rebound guy but he isn't her default guy.

I luv, luv, luv JP and I hope I am wrong. But, for me, it's shaping up to be a JP F2 season.

I've been lurking for a few days, finally decided to post. I agree that the Grapevine video made me think it's not JP. But I don't think he's F2, I think he's Deanna - might have been F1 but she picks nobody. I don't see how anyone else can believably be the F1 at this point. We really haven't seen her interact with Ben F though, so maybe I'll change my mind after I see them this week.

I started to doubt that it's JP on the 1-on-1 date when he said 'you get hurt, then you move on' thing. I immediately thought they were setting him up to get hurt this season, then move on to find his amazing girl next season as the Bachelor. Then in the Grapevine video when he said he felt confident they were into each other it sealed my fear. When I hear the word confident I assume that TPTB left it in because it will prove false. My only hope is that I've never been right in predicting the outcome of this show, so hopefully that continues this time because I love me some JP.

allykat!

All of this is plausible...
JP just like Chantal would make the best next lead in my opinion. Everybody's in love with him already!

He's too outfront and too early. He is confident. We hear him say in a preview that, " I am confident. I am into her, and she is into me."
Now all of that may be true!!
However, on the Bachelor, the guy isn't supposed to say that. It is considered a little too brash or bold. He is supposed to be a little more humble than that.
It doesn't matter that several of them may have said it; what matters is who we hear edited to make the discriminating statements.

I am wondering if this is about Ashley going through several guys until she gets the right one. For instance, she gushed about Ryan, and we are talking about the roses he gets, and the way she kisses him. We know that she was enamored somewhat with cutie-pie William, and good grief, but did she ever fall over her head for Bentley.
JP is next in line, and if so, does it stop there, or is there another one before it is over?

Now, something to consider is that we have not seen Ben. It is true that it is highly unusual for us to even consider Ben at F4 for anything, but we know he gets to F2 at least! Something strong is happening somewhere...

Now, previous to last season, I would have said, "No way, no how would I ever consider Ben in the running for this thing.....

Now? Why not? Last season, although Chantal was spoiled F1, her edit looked clearly like an F2 to me, and Emily's didn't even look like a good strong F2, let alone an F1. That Emily was an F1 with her edit at all, let alone up until the date in the 7th episode in Anquilla beat all I had ever seen! :what:

I am now beginning to think that if they could have an F1 Emily with that F1 edit last season, they could be even more outrageous with the edit this season if they chose to do so. They basically hid Emily as the F1.
Yes, we saw Emily in every episode, but believe me.....we did not see Emily as the F1. That was the craziest edit job - I called it "wonky" I have ever seen, and I made no bones about it.

I am going to have to watch this more closely before I am convinced that the lovable, full of chemistry JP is F1 and not F2; I want to be sure that Fleiss and the editors are up to more shenanigans this season.

If Emily was so "hidden", why was she the fan favorite among the casual viewers? Everybody I spoke to, and every poll had Emily as F1. The only people that didn't see Emily as F1 was boardies, partly due to RS but mostly because we didn't see Emily all that crazy about Brad. Last year it seems like that was the year of the "straight up love story" as it showed from beginning to end Brad falling for Emily and the majority of the viewing audience was thrilled!

IMO, every season has a different edit, because every season there's a different story to tell due to the circumstances that surround the lead and the contestants. This year we have Bentley who messed with her head .... that had an affect on how the rest of the season went. We know he's going to return and so is Ryan .... that's going to affect how the edit is done too and possibly the outcome of the show. Ashley's insecurites and the added confustion that Bentley added to it are IMO what's going to determine this years "story" that he producers are trying to portray. I think we need a few more weeks of dates to further see what journey Ashley is on for her season as 'ette before we're going to be able to figure out what ending the edit is trying to lead us to.

If Ben F. is the F1, God Bless him, he's gonna need it to get thru watching her with JP, Bentley and Ryan. They will need to really move it along, most unspoiled think Ben C if mentioned a Ben from the show, not Ben F. If it's Ben F. or JP, or Ryan, I'm happy. I just want a happy couple.