Episode 4 - 6/13 - Discussion - Spoilers

ninu wrote:

Coastal wrote:Sorry for being the downer on the JP love here. I remember last season all the Chantal love happening, mostly because of RS and his spoilers so through the season, all the boards were Chantal crazed, then when things went as they did with Brad and Emily, not many could see the connection that the two of them had through the season.............just food for thought that if this season RS has been fleissed again, might keep in mind the other options????????? IMO

I've been trying REALLY hard to see an F1 connection with ANYONE else this season after the Chantal upset last season... but apart from mayyybe Ryan, I don't see anyone taking F1 away from JP. If we can establish that Ryan was NOT at the FRC, I'll happily ride the JP bandwagon all the way to the end :heaertbeat:

The problem with this is that JP is the ONLY one in the picture, and I don't trust that. Also, we are getting a very good romantic picture of just one guy. Bentley is no real threat.
This is not the the norm for Fleiss to reveal his F1 this early and with really no warts. JP's edit is really sterling, and that is not normal either. The only time I knew of an F1 guy recently with that good of an edit was Roberto, and that was because the whole story was going on with Frank and Chris. Roberto was there, but as an F1 he was pretty hidden. The board as a whole did not believe he was F1.

We know Ryan gets sent home, and although he comes back, unless RS has been fleeced, he doesn't get to stay. Therefore, Ryan is not his competition.

Poor William shot hmself in the foot.

JP might well be the F1 start to finished, but Fleiss is a crafty fellow, and he pulled a switcheroo last season. He is capable of doing it this season as well. Just when you get comfortable.....

Bloomers,gut feeling do you think RS was Fliessed this time around?

I ask only because the edits this season have me totally scratching my head.JP does seem to be a major F1 candidate but I'm not sure if that because he's been thrown in our faces and he's a seemingly likeable guy.

Good points, Bloomers. And even though I'm also a Ryan fan (JP too), the fact that she let Ryan go before the HTD's tells me she was not in love with him enough to do a 360 and pick him as F1 when he returns. He basically went out as F5...when has F5 ever turned into F1? Reid was F3, and Jill was so distraugh at the F3 letting him go RC that it seemed plausible when he came back, she woud pick him as F1 and not Ed. But unless it's totally scripted by MF and Ashley didn't want Ryan to leave as F5, I'm not buying he's F1.

Gina wrote:Good points, Bloomers. And even though I'm also a Ryan fan (JP too), the fact that she let Ryan go before the HTD's tells me she was not in love with him enough to do a 360 and pick him as F1 when he returns. He basically went out as F5...when has F5 ever turned into F1? Reid was F3, and Jill was so distraugh at the F3 letting him go RC that it seemed plausible when he came back, she woud pick him as F1 and not Ed. But unless it's totally scripted by MF and Ashley didn't want Ryan to leave as F5, I'm not buying he's F1.

The only plausible options are that either JP is F1 or Ben F. is F1. Ryan is not a part of the equation. After being warned about the guys that he's not sincere (whether that's true or not) and being let go on their 1-on-1 where there wasn't even a rose, no way is she going to take him back and get engaged to him.

So either TPTB are showing us the love story with JP (while throwing in lots of Bentley and Ryan drama to distract us) or Ben F. is the hidden F1.

Gina wrote:Good points, Bloomers. And even though I'm also a Ryan fan (JP too), the fact that she let Ryan go before the HTD's tells me she was not in love with him enough to do a 360 and pick him as F1 when he returns. He basically went out as F5...when has F5 ever turned into F1? Reid was F3, and Jill was so distraugh at the F3 letting him go RC that it seemed plausible when he came back, she woud pick him as F1 and not Ed. But unless it's totally scripted by MF and Ashley didn't want Ryan to leave as F5, I'm not buying he's F1.

Ashley's season seems to mimick Jill's on so many levels, could this also be another immitation........Ryan left on his own due to his own insecurities or work related and comes back as Ed does and she chooses Ryan in the end??

I am not Bloomer but I will tell you gut feeling yes RS has been fleissed again big time 3 in a row. I went through the preview for the season step by step and I am 99% certain JP is not the winner just need this week coming to confirm my gut feeling.

mnmhughes wrote:

Gina wrote:Good points, Bloomers. And even though I'm also a Ryan fan (JP too), the fact that she let Ryan go before the HTD's tells me she was not in love with him enough to do a 360 and pick him as F1 when he returns. He basically went out as F5...when has F5 ever turned into F1? Reid was F3, and Jill was so distraugh at the F3 letting him go RC that it seemed plausible when he came back, she woud pick him as F1 and not Ed. But unless it's totally scripted by MF and Ashley didn't want Ryan to leave as F5, I'm not buying he's F1.

The only plausible options are that either JP is F1 or Ben F. is F1. Ryan is not a part of the equation. After being warned about the guys that he's not sincere (whether that's true or not) and being let go on their 1-on-1 where there wasn't even a rose, no way is she going to take him back and get engaged to him.

So either TPTB are showing us the love story with JP (while throwing in lots of Bentley and Ryan drama to distract us) or Ben F. is the hidden F1.

The only thing we have that says that he was let go is RS..........what if RS is being completely fleisssed??

reason wrote:I am not Bloomer but I will tell you gut feeling yes RS has been fleissed again big time 3 in a row. I went through the preview for the season step by step and I am 99% certain JP is not the winner just need this week coming to confirm my gut feeling.

That is a gutt feeling that I have had all along...........JP is too much in the face for a normal Fleiss editing, therefore there is something to come. Ali's season, RS said for the longest time, she chooses no one. Brad's season, he swears up and down that he chose Chantal...........now this. I really feel that Ryan is the other one that is a viable option.

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

Gina wrote:Good points, Bloomers. And even though I'm also a Ryan fan (JP too), the fact that she let Ryan go before the HTD's tells me she was not in love with him enough to do a 360 and pick him as F1 when he returns. He basically went out as F5...when has F5 ever turned into F1? Reid was F3, and Jill was so distraugh at the F3 letting him go RC that it seemed plausible when he came back, she woud pick him as F1 and not Ed. But unless it's totally scripted by MF and Ashley didn't want Ryan to leave as F5, I'm not buying he's F1.

The only plausible options are that either JP is F1 or Ben F. is F1. Ryan is not a part of the equation. After being warned about the guys that he's not sincere (whether that's true or not) and being let go on their 1-on-1 where there wasn't even a rose, no way is she going to take him back and get engaged to him.

So either TPTB are showing us the love story with JP (while throwing in lots of Bentley and Ryan drama to distract us) or Ben F. is the hidden F1.

The only thing we have that says that he was let go is RS..........what if RS is being completely fleisssed??

Okay, let's take another tactic -- who's to say RS isn't right? They've fleissed him twice in a row now, ruining his credibility (in the eyes of some). So even IF he has the right info this year, most people won't believe him. Why not just let him have the right info then? :Nod:
Even if Ryan somehow stays, I see nothing between him and Ashley to compel her to choose him. JMO.

I love that this thread has more posts than last week's thread, and the episode hasn't even aired yet!

mnmhughes wrote:

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

Gina wrote:Good points, Bloomers. And even though I'm also a Ryan fan (JP too), the fact that she let Ryan go before the HTD's tells me she was not in love with him enough to do a 360 and pick him as F1 when he returns. He basically went out as F5...when has F5 ever turned into F1? Reid was F3, and Jill was so distraugh at the F3 letting him go RC that it seemed plausible when he came back, she woud pick him as F1 and not Ed. But unless it's totally scripted by MF and Ashley didn't want Ryan to leave as F5, I'm not buying he's F1.

The only plausible options are that either JP is F1 or Ben F. is F1. Ryan is not a part of the equation. After being warned about the guys that he's not sincere (whether that's true or not) and being let go on their 1-on-1 where there wasn't even a rose, no way is she going to take him back and get engaged to him.

So either TPTB are showing us the love story with JP (while throwing in lots of Bentley and Ryan drama to distract us) or Ben F. is the hidden F1.

The only thing we have that says that he was let go is RS..........what if RS is being completely fleisssed??

Okay, let's take another tactic -- who's to say RS isn't right? They've fleissed him twice in a row now, ruining his credibility (in the eyes of some). So even IF he has the right info this year, most people won't believe him. Why not just let him have the right info then? :Nod:
Even if Ryan somehow stays, I see nothing between him and Ashley to compel her to choose him. JMO.

Then Fleiss's editing tatics have completely done an absolute change that is out of the world considering his other seasons and their editing............No one in the history of this show has been this much in your face the final 1

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

Coastal wrote:

mnmhughes wrote:

Gina wrote:Good points, Bloomers. And even though I'm also a Ryan fan (JP too), the fact that she let Ryan go before the HTD's tells me she was not in love with him enough to do a 360 and pick him as F1 when he returns. He basically went out as F5...when has F5 ever turned into F1? Reid was F3, and Jill was so distraugh at the F3 letting him go RC that it seemed plausible when he came back, she woud pick him as F1 and not Ed. But unless it's totally scripted by MF and Ashley didn't want Ryan to leave as F5, I'm not buying he's F1.

The only plausible options are that either JP is F1 or Ben F. is F1. Ryan is not a part of the equation. After being warned about the guys that he's not sincere (whether that's true or not) and being let go on their 1-on-1 where there wasn't even a rose, no way is she going to take him back and get engaged to him.

So either TPTB are showing us the love story with JP (while throwing in lots of Bentley and Ryan drama to distract us) or Ben F. is the hidden F1.

The only thing we have that says that he was let go is RS..........what if RS is being completely fleisssed??

Okay, let's take another tactic -- who's to say RS isn't right? They've fleissed him twice in a row now, ruining his credibility (in the eyes of some). So even IF he has the right info this year, most people won't believe him. Why not just let him have the right info then? :Nod:
Even if Ryan somehow stays, I see nothing between him and Ashley to compel her to choose him. JMO.

Then Fleiss's editing tatics have completely done an absolute change that is out of the world considering his other seasons and their editing............No one in the history of this show has been this much in your face the final 1

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. All I know is that it's either JP, Ben, or no one. It's not going to be Ryan.