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shannonmac wrote:
RE: the above post.
There in lies the rationale for a separate thread on this...

I appreciate what you all are saying because I, too, have limited time most days. However, this can be said for other threads this season also - mainly the Jef thread. Several posters feel it necessary to glean posts and information from other threads to take to the Jef thread for discussion to save people from having to leave their happy place. It annoys me every single time I go in there, but I don't say anything so I don't disrupt anyone's fun. :Smiley:

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veg_out wrote:
I think the issue being contested is the transparency of the organization, specifically if it can put its money where its MarketingMouth is, namely the "drop for drop" claim. Many, many non-profits, NGOs, and other charities undergo intense scrutiny for transparency purposes esp. when they're asking for people's hard-earned cash and using the impoverished in a persuasive campaign. The interesting caveat here is that PW is a for-profit company, which, IMO, places it under an even larger lens.

Not on the same scale at all or in the same classification, but Invisible Children came under fire for its efforts in Uganda: the marketing story vs. the true story.

Early in the season, there were two new members that research these types of companies. They were wanting information on People Water and made a couple of comments. I know one of them mentioned they hoped their findings would be positive and they could give the company a good review. In my opinion, they were run off the board... comments responding to them were so negative and nasty, it was embarrassing. It was the last I recall seeing them.

I think it was in a Jef thread where this happened, but I have no idea how to go about finding the original posts and I don't remember their screen names. I would be interested to know if they were able to obtain the info they were seeking and what their findings were. If anyone can help with this, I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you, jlccaz, for all the information you've provided.

There is a blogger who got stonewalled I think the site is called okhereisthesituation. He was looking for the basic info about how the formula works, including so he could support it. Honestly, that was my intent as well. But then the facts fell apart, or weren't there, and I lost faith. They aren't hip or cool. They just don't seem to know what they're doing except drawing attention to themselves via the ABC platform.

Chacharo wrote:

shannonmac wrote:
RE: the above post.
There in lies the rationale for a separate thread on this...

I appreciate what you all are saying because I, too, have limited time most days. However, this can be said for other threads this season also - mainly the Jef thread. Several posters feel it necessary to glean posts and information from other threads to take to the Jef thread for discussion to save people from having to leave their happy place. It annoys me every single time I go in there, but I don't say anything so I don't disrupt anyone's fun. :Smiley:

Sorry C. I think you were referring to LD's rationale. I was referring SkyBlue. :Smiley:
"but I have no idea how to go about finding the original posts and I don't remember their screen names. I would be interested to know if they were able to obtain the info they were seeking and what their findings were."

If so many seem to value this information so much why not create a thread for it- so people can go back and reference , learn etc.
Instead of having it all over the place.

Chacharo wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

yumyum1 wrote:Now that the thorough research on the 'evils' of PW and the bottle water industry has been completed, maybe the noble professions of insurance agent and race care driver (and their respective industries) can be probed? Many thanks in advance.

Except the insurance agent and race car driver are not proporting to be anything other than that.

Exactly!

If someone has strong feelings about those professions and want to enlighten the rest of us, I say go for it. Heck, make your own thread about it if that makes you feel better. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last thread to go off topic.

I despised the bottled water industry long before 1F graced my television screen. I care deeply about the earth and our environment. For the life of me, I can't figure out why others don't. If this information enlightens one person on this board and changes their opinions about using bottled water for convenience, then that is a small victory IMO.

I appreciate jlc's input and knowledge of the issues with this particular method of promoting bottled water.

Let me start of by applauding Jlcazz for bringing the research!

Chacharo, bottled water in and of itself has always been perplexing to me. It's popularity either started or was greatly enhanced with Perrier, which was served at high dollar, elitist restaurants and hotels. Snobbery, if you will. Prior to Perrier, it was simply soda water. From Perrier, everyone wanted to get in, be part of the Polo Lounge crowd at the Beverly Hills Hotel. But not everyone liked or wanted carbonated water, and bottled spring water popularity emerged.
Now we have spring water, flavored water, vitamin water, etc. One can install a filter at their sink, use a refillable bottle, and help the environment. I agree that people need clean drinking water, what I don't understand is when we have clean drinking water, why we need to buy bottles of clean drinking water.
As far as PW, or any company that tugs at people's heartstrings in the name of charity to fill their own pockets, should be questioned and dissected.

shannonmac wrote:

Chacharo wrote:

shannonmac wrote:
RE: the above post.
There in lies the rationale for a separate thread on this...

I appreciate what you all are saying because I, too, have limited time most days. However, this can be said for other threads this season also - mainly the Jef thread. Several posters feel it necessary to glean posts and information from other threads to take to the Jef thread for discussion to save people from having to leave their happy place. It annoys me every single time I go in there, but I don't say anything so I don't disrupt anyone's fun. :Smiley:

Sorry C. I think you were referring to LD's rationale. I was referring SkyBlue. :Smiley:
"but I have no idea how to go about finding the original posts and I don't remember their screen names. I would be interested to know if they were able to obtain the info they were seeking and what their findings were."

If so many seem to value this information so much why not create a thread for it- so people can go back and reference , learn etc.
Instead of having it all over the place.

Ah, I see. I thought you were referring to LoveDovez post. Anyway, I believe that info Skyblue was referring to was in one of the original Jef threads and who in the world would have time to go through them?

It would be a wonderful world if all threads stayed on topic. That requires a pretty heavy moderator hand. I think most of us have been there, done that already. :Smiley:

shannonmac wrote:

Chacharo wrote:

shannonmac wrote:
RE: the above post.
There in lies the rationale for a separate thread on this...

I appreciate what you all are saying because I, too, have limited time most days. However, this can be said for other threads this season also - mainly the Jef thread. Several posters feel it necessary to glean posts and information from other threads to take to the Jef thread for discussion to save people from having to leave their happy place. It annoys me every single time I go in there, but I don't say anything so I don't disrupt anyone's fun. :Smiley:

Sorry C. I think you were referring to LD's rationale. I was referring SkyBlue. :Smiley:
"but I have no idea how to go about finding the original posts and I don't remember their screen names. I would be interested to know if they were able to obtain the info they were seeking and what their findings were."

If so many seem to value this information so much why not create a thread for it- so people can go back and reference , learn etc.
Instead of having it all over the place.

Quoting from my earlier post... "I think it was in a Jef thread where this happened". It would have made sense for them to ask for info there since it was People Water they wanted to research. And the most reasonable place for this discussion would be that same thread imo... or a separate one would work too.

Bet2Win wrote:
Chacharo, bottled water in and of itself has always been perplexing to me. It's popularity either started or was greatly enhanced with Perrier, which was served at high dollar, elitist restaurants and hotels. Snobbery, if you will. Prior to Perrier, it was simply soda water. From Perrier, everyone wanted to get in, be part of the Polo Lounge crowd at the Beverly Hills Hotel. But not everyone liked or wanted carbonated water, and bottled spring water popularity emerged.
Now we have spring water, flavored water, vitamin water, etc. One can install a filter at their sink, use a refillable bottle, and help the environment. I agree that people need clean drinking water, what I don't understand is when we have clean drinking water, why we need to buy bottles of clean drinking water.
As far as PW, or any company that tugs at people's heartstrings in the name of charity to fill their own pockets, should be questioned and disected.

It has always been a perplexing industry to me too. The really strange thing about bottled water is that a rather significant percent of it is tap water! So, we're paying someone to bottle it for us, in bottles that won't biodegrade and actually leach bad chemicals into the water, then we ship it all around the place burning up non-renewable fossil fuel. It never made any sense to me. Thanks for your comments.

Cecilia wrote:

jlccaz wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:PW never claimed to be charity or non profit organization. I applaud them for helping others. ENSO is to blame for the problem with their bottles. Many people will drink bottled water no matter what you say so why not help others in the process? PW is getting a new website so hopefully it will be easier to track the projects that are going on. If bottled water is so damaging to our environment, how much more harmful is the exhaust fumes from racing events?

1. "Biodegradable" appears in/on People Water promotional material. Only PW is "to blame" for their own advertising.

2. Many people mistakenly think it's a charity if you browse the WWW. (The same problem Ethos had until they fixed their labeling)

3. Just want PW tell purchasers the facts, coincident with the huge burst of national attention on their brand they expect/seek/will enjoy as a consequence of the show. Tom's (from whom Jef and Cody seemingly copied this one for one idea, while also copying Ethos for the cause) at least publishes a useful guide. http://www.toms.com/media/files/8.24.11_GivingReport_Update.pdf One could do a similar "takedown" of the fallacy of the Tom's model, but who's got time, and at least they explain it clearly.

Jlccaz - you never answered my earlier question regarding whether you have ever done any volunteer or charity work outside the U.S.? You seem very eager to spend most of your time on this board bashing People Water and its message but have given little to no information about what you do to help others. I myself have traveled outside of the country on volunteer/project work, through my church, and through my line of work. It's not easy to put such a trip together although it is among the most rewarding experiences I have had, outside having and raising my babies. That being said, I still have to make a living, support and raise my family and I also like to enjoy my life.

Your constant berating of People Water is just getting old to me. They are a new company. Give them some time to grow and perfect things.

We can choose to bury our heads in the sand, but what's the point?

I am one of the few fiscal conservatives that lives in in the hotbed of local left wing politics and probably have more in common with people in Utah than where I live, but even I won't pretend that there isn't a huge problem with plastic debris.

PW does not produce biodegradable beverage bottles because there is no such thing. It's no secret and even our Jef is aware of that little fact. Jef is not a stupid man, he is just a damn good salesman protecting his and business partners' interests.

However, to say that the world's plastic problem lies ONLY in bottled water is wrong because that's not true and it's not even the major problem. It is just that the convenience of bottled water in mostly unnecessary and something we consumers can easily control.

To even suggest that it is worth the pollutants, both ingested and to the environment, so we can build a few wells is as idiotic an idea as to serve children McDonald's Happy Meals every day of the week to fund Ronald McDonald Houses Charities. Instead, it is more effective to give direct and not talking about buying McDonald Happy Meals where perhaps only a couple pennies of each dollar goes to the charity.

If you are concerned with building wells, refill stainless water bottles and donate what you would have otherwise spend buying PW directly to a charity. Heck, you can donate it to the charity that PW advertised they supposedly created, although have not been able to learn the charity name ... has anyone come across that yet?

Here is another video about the plastic problem. A bit more balanced from an oceanographer's point of view and IMO worth the watch ...

Don't know anything really about this..but here is some info on the wells. Also I do drink bottled water, but try to limit.

3) What’s unique about PW is they prepay for the well projects and assign each water bottle and well project with a QR code and a water batch number that corresponds with that well project. As the bottles are sold, a percentage of the sale is used to pay down each well project. If you would like to help fund a well project, purchase a bottle of People Water, scan the QR code, and follow your water project.

Bet2Win wrote:

Chacharo, bottled water in and of itself has always been perplexing to me. It's popularity either started or was greatly enhanced with Perrier, which was served at high dollar, elitist restaurants and hotels. Snobbery, if you will. Prior to Perrier, it was simply soda water. From Perrier, everyone wanted to get in, be part of the Polo Lounge crowd at the Beverly Hills Hotel. But not everyone liked or wanted carbonated water, and bottled spring water popularity emerged.
Now we have spring water, flavored water, vitamin water, etc. One can install a filter at their sink, use a refillable bottle, and help the environment. I agree that people need clean drinking water, what I don't understand is when we have clean drinking water, why we need to buy bottles of clean drinking water.
As far as PW, or any company that tugs at people's heartstrings in the name of charity to fill their own pockets, should be questioned and disected.

And now, you've hit on something that has, to me, much more relevance in our lives than any of the other items discussed. The major suppy for fresh drinking water in many north/eastern states and southern Ontario relies on water from the Great Lakes and those lakes are slowly dying. Lake Michigan water withdrawals account for nearly half of all the water taken from the Great Lakes each year. Every day in Chicago, one billion gallons are processed for drinking, bathing, laundry, industry and so much more. However, due to the city’s 1900 reversal of the Chicago River, Lake Michigan water used by the city is not returned to the lake. Instead, it flows out of the Great Lakes basin, to the Mississippi River and, ultimately, to the Gulf of Mexico. In fact, the reversal of the Chicago River accounts for approximately 2.1 billion gallons of water drained from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico every single day.

It's not just the reversal but the pollutants - Lake Erie is close to dying.

ams6363 wrote:Don't know anything really about this..but here is some info on the wells. Also I do drink bottled water, but try to limit.

3) What’s unique about PW is they prepay for the well projects and assign each water bottle and well project with a QR code and a water batch number that corresponds with that well project. As the bottles are sold, a percentage of the sale is used to pay down each well project. If you would like to help fund a well project, purchase a bottle of People Water, scan the QR code, and follow your water project.

What percentage of the sale? 1%, 5%, 1/2% ... do you know?

Oh wow it was just established in 2011? I don't see it becoming as large as Toms. It will be interesting to see where the company goes.

Personally If I want to donate I use crowdrise.