Episode 12 - 7/22 - Bachelorette 8 - ATFR (Live) - Discussion

shannonmac wrote:
So thrilled for Jef and Emily but I got wierd vibes last nite during the after.

Jef just wasn't "on". CH did not ask any question about a Live wedding- but Emily has talked about how she would do one in the past etc. I didn't bet any great vibes going from Jef or Emily to CH.

We also pretty much got confirmation that all of their pics and tweets have been little clues- even the ones we couldn't prove.

Why?

I think Jef and Emily and Arie are not happy with TBPT. I could be way off base on this but....
I think it might might have to do with the Emily, Arie situation.

1. they are probably furious at the way it played out causing more hurt for Arie ie F2 instead of F3- orchestrated by TBPT

2. Furious that when TBPT got wind of Arie's trip to charlotte they insisted on a live ATFR to capitalize on the drama at Arie's expense and take away time from celebrity their love.

3. Maybe some of the edit- on both sides Arie to be purely physical and Jef to not be.

I think they decided to do their own thing- shout out their love for each other (without crossing the line) and that is the end of their relationship with TBPT.

Jodi8 wrote:There were 2 questions I had that weren't answered last night.
1. Has Emiy met Jef's parents?
2. What did Arie think when there was no overnight date? Did he know it was an option and Emily passed on it, or did he think they weren't doing overnight dates this season?

ironcat wrote:I think when Emily said she felt more confident that it would work out with Jef, it was her way of saying that she felt she and Jef were just more compatible overall than she and Arie were, in terms of lifestyle, values, culture, families meshing, etc. And I suspect she's correct. She was in "Bachelor love" with both of them, which even the successful couples have admitted isn't enough, and you have to fall in love FOR REALZ after the show is over. So rather than get hung up on that, she based her decision on which guy she saw a smoother future with, and that was Jef. Had her feelings for Arie been stronger, none of the rest of it would have mattered, but clearly they weren't, or she wouldn't have dumped him.

Regarding Arie's journal, I certainly understand why he left it on her door, and if Emily was having ANY second thoughts about her decision at any point over the past few months, she would have read it. But apparently she wasn't, and as a result, it would have been highly disrespectful to have done so, so I'm not at all surprised that she never even opened the package.

There's no telling what the future will hold, but I have no doubt that this couple is sincerely happy and truly believes that they are soulmates right now, and they expect it to work out. If the fact that they (I suspect it's largely coming from Jef) are more circumspect in their PDAs than some other couples makes them less interesting to watch for some viewers, or causes these viewers to doubt or denigrate their relationship, so be it. I'm sure Jem couldn't care less. And from the smiles on their faces tonight, I suspect that things are going quite well in that department for both of them in private. :giggle:

Fascinator11 wrote:

Jodi8 wrote:There were 2 questions I had that weren't answered last night.
1. Has Emiy met Jef's parents?
2. What did Arie think when there was no overnight date? Did he know it was an option and Emily passed on it, or did he think they weren't doing overnight dates this season?

I can only semi-answer the first question. Jef's mom was at the ATFR last night so she has at least met his mom (she was in a white dress and was the first person to hug Emily at the end of the show). It has been speculated that Emily met his parents when Jef went to visit them right after filming ended, but we have no solid proof of that yet!

Keili wrote:

ironcat wrote:I think when Emily said she felt more confident that it would work out with Jef, it was her way of saying that she felt she and Jef were just more compatible overall than she and Arie were, in terms of lifestyle, values, culture, families meshing, etc. And I suspect she's correct. She was in "Bachelor love" with both of them, which even the successful couples have admitted isn't enough, and you have to fall in love FOR REALZ after the show is over. So rather than get hung up on that, she based her decision on which guy she saw a smoother future with, and that was Jef. Had her feelings for Arie been stronger, none of the rest of it would have mattered, but clearly they weren't, or she wouldn't have dumped him.

Regarding Arie's journal, I certainly understand why he left it on her door, and if Emily was having ANY second thoughts about her decision at any point over the past few months, she would have read it. But apparently she wasn't, and as a result, it would have been highly disrespectful to have done so, so I'm not at all surprised that she never even opened the package.

There's no telling what the future will hold, but I have no doubt that this couple is sincerely happy and truly believes that they are soulmates right now, and they expect it to work out. If the fact that they (I suspect it's largely coming from Jef) are more circumspect in their PDAs than some other couples makes them less interesting to watch for some viewers, or causes these viewers to doubt or denigrate their relationship, so be it. I'm sure Jem couldn't care less. And from the smiles on their faces tonight, I suspect that things are going quite well in that department for both of them in private. :giggle:

I totally agree with you. I'm glad Emily acknowledged that she has a hard time being direct with people and she definitely could've used some help in her break-up with Arie. The one time she mentioned Jef, at least from what we were shown, was when she said that she felt more confident in her relationship with Jef. And I think Arie hung onto that quote and read into it that she had some doubts about Arie. He thought she chose Jef because of that, that she felt like Jef was a safer bet. So that's why he felt like flying to Charlotte or showing her his journal could change things. When really, her heart was just simply with Jef and she felt like he was 'the one' for her. She just didn't choose the best choice of words at the time. But between his talks with Jef and watching the show, it seems like he was able to realize that's what it was about and got some closure. I've never really been an 'Arie fan', but I loved the way he handled himself tonight.

Jodi8 wrote:

Jodi8 wrote:There were 2 questions I had that weren't answered last night.
2. What did Arie think when there was no overnight date? Did he know it was an option and Emily passed on it, or did he think they weren't doing overnight dates this season?

Not really related, but wasn't the final rose setup kind of odd compared to previous seasons? The location seemed really random and small and much "less" than previous seasons. I wonder if they did it like that to try to prevent people from seeing??

nutty1 wrote:

ironcat wrote:I think when Emily said she felt more confident that it would work out with Jef, it was her way of saying that she felt she and Jef were just more compatible overall than she and Arie were, in terms of lifestyle, values, culture, families meshing, etc. And I suspect she's correct. She was in "Bachelor love" with both of them, which even the successful couples have admitted isn't enough, and you have to fall in love FOR REALZ after the show is over. So rather than get hung up on that, she based her decision on which guy she saw a smoother future with, and that was Jef. Had her feelings for Arie been stronger, none of the rest of it would have mattered, but clearly they weren't, or she wouldn't have dumped him.

Regarding Arie's journal, I certainly understand why he left it on her door, and if Emily was having ANY second thoughts about her decision at any point over the past few months, she would have read it. But apparently she wasn't, and as a result, it would have been highly disrespectful to have done so, so I'm not at all surprised that she never even opened the package.

There's no telling what the future will hold, but I have no doubt that this couple is sincerely happy and truly believes that they are soulmates right now, and they expect it to work out. If the fact that they (I suspect it's largely coming from Jef) are more circumspect in their PDAs than some other couples makes them less interesting to watch for some viewers, or causes these viewers to doubt or denigrate their relationship, so be it. I'm sure Jem couldn't care less. And from the smiles on their faces tonight, I suspect that things are going quite well in that department for both of them in private. :giggle:

Great post!! I wish this couple well and I pray they really are soulmates. They have as much as a shot as any "normal" couple win this world.

tigertiz wrote:Could Arie be any more gracious and kind? Nope. He wrote the book. What an amazing man. I'm still speechless.

As to Emily's choice? I still only saw one love story this season. She didnt trust herself to take Arie to the Fantasy suite and she didnt trust herself (AFTER becoming engaged and spending who knows how many days and nights with her fiance) to even grant Arie the courtesy of reading his journal. To grant him the honor of knowing he had been heard.

She was still in love with Arie, even then. Even after she walked off into the sunset with Jef.

But Emily knows that love doesnt last. Planes can fall from the sky.
So she chosen the only kind of security that you can count on - phenomenal wealth.

Jef made her future bank balance feel secure. Therefore she feels secure. Good luck Emily and good luck Jef. Money cant buy love and money cant buy happiness.