Re: Bachelorette 8 - Media - Discussion - Thread #4

[Windwaltzer]

There are estimated to be as many as 12 MILLION Americans who suffer from Interstitial Cystitis, an incurable and extremely painful disease. Many of us with this disorder must drink bottled spring water that has not been treated with chlorine. We cannot drink tap water from a public water source. To do so brings excruciating internal organ pain and inflammation. This is only one condition of many which require people to consume only bottled water. We cannot tolerate coffee, tea, juice or soda so bottled water is necessary for our survival. Interstitial Cystitis and other disorders are covered by the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act). We cannot be denied the bottled water on which we must rely for our very survival. While we do understand the importance of the environmental impact of bottled water, we ALL must become cognizant of the fact there are MILLIONS of people against whom we discriminate if we attempt to ban bottled water entirely. Education, tolerance and compassion MUST go hand-in-hand with enthusiasm for environmental causes!

[just logic]

There are estimated to be as many as 12 MILLION Americans who suffer from Interstitial Cystitis, an incurable and extremely painful disease. Many of us with this disorder must drink bottled spring water that has not been treated with chlorine. We cannot drink tap water from a public water source. To do so brings excruciating internal organ pain and inflammation. This is only one condition of many which require people to consume only bottled water. We cannot tolerate coffee, tea, juice or soda so bottled water is necessary for our survival. Interstitial Cystitis and other disorders are covered by the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act). We cannot be denied the bottled water on which we must rely for our very survival. While we do understand the importance of the environmental impact of bottled water, we ALL must become cognizant of the fact there are MILLIONS of people against whom we discriminate if we attempt to ban bottled water entirely. Education, tolerance and compassion MUST go hand-in-hand with enthusiasm for environmental causes!

Thanks for posting that - something I was totally unaware of.

[jelle]

For the aveage Joe, buying botled water is a convenience thing, not a necessity. However, if we are going to sell bottled water and soda and juice, in plastic bottles that have a huge environmental impact .... lets make the bottles biodegradable and non-toxic, not leaching chemicals. According to Jef's business patner with the 9th grade education, you simply add a chemical to make it biodegrade.

The technology is there. There is no reason to give up the environmental and health concens. They go hand and hand. And the more companies that used the technology, the less expensive it becomes.

[Jeepers]

Maybe making bottles redeemable would help to recycle plastic bottles .. $$ is always an incentive

[Tiggerlgh]

Maybe making bottles redeemable would help to recycle plastic bottles .. $$ is always an incentive

Some states already do this.

[jlccaz]

For the aveage Joe, buying botled water is a convenience thing, not a necessity. However, if we are going to sell bottled water and soda and juice, in plastic bottles that have a huge environmental impact .... lets make the bottles biodegradable and non-toxic, not leaching chemicals. According to Jef's business patner with the 9th grade education, you simply add a chemical to make it biodegrade.

The technology is there. There is no reason to give up the environmental and health concens. They go hand and hand. And the more companies that used the technology, the less expensive it becomes.

The beverage market is uneconomic for the companies using the high end degradable plastics. You're charging luxury prices for a commodity. Very difficult business plan. You have to get on shelves and in restaurants. Those are businesses. People buy cases of the water that Safeway or Giant have on special, or a myriad other means. It would be easier to launch Ben's wine business, truthfully. I have a client in the boutique/Do-Good bottled water space and so learned about the (lack of) viability of a business based upon degradable bottles on pure supply/demand principles. The market share for degradable boutique bottles, which carry that "tax" if you will, is very small. I forgot the math, but %-wise the per-ounce cost of the water is so much higher that you can't find a reliable target market...that's why they add on the Dig a Well or Support Apparel Made from Bottles as a gimmick/hook to get people to pay the much higher price for the degradable bottles. That's PW business model in a nutshell -- people can see on the shelf they are paying more for a bottle of PW than Aquafina or Dasani or Brand X, but the Do-Good hook creates an impulse in the moment to buy the fancy bottle to support a cause. Not much of the proceeds goes to wells, but people feel good that something does.

[Chacharo]

For the aveage Joe, buying botled water is a convenience thing, not a necessity. However, if we are going to sell bottled water and soda and juice, in plastic bottles that have a huge environmental impact .... lets make the bottles biodegradable and non-toxic, not leaching chemicals. According to Jef's business patner with the 9th grade education, you simply add a chemical to make it biodegrade.

The technology is there. There is no reason to give up the environmental and health concens. They go hand and hand. And the more companies that used the technology, the less expensive it becomes.

The beverage market is uneconomic for the companies using the high end degradable plastics. You're charging luxury prices for a commodity. Very difficult business plan. You have to get on shelves and in restaurants. Those are businesses. People buy cases of the water that Safeway or Giant have on special, or a myriad other means. It would be easier to launch Ben's wine business, truthfully. I have a client in the boutique/Do-Good bottled water space and so learned about the (lack of) viability of a business based upon degradable bottles on pure supply/demand principles. The market share for degradable boutique bottles, which carry that "tax" if you will, is very small. I forgot the math, but %-wise the per-ounce cost of the water is so much higher that you can't find a reliable target market...that's why they add on the Dig a Well or Support Apparel Made from Bottles as a gimmick/hook to get people to pay the much higher price for the degradable bottles. That's PW business model in a nutshell -- people can see on the shelf they are paying more for a bottle of PW than Aquafina or Dasani or Brand X, but the Do-Good hook creates an impulse in the moment to buy the fancy bottle to support a cause. Not much of the proceeds goes to wells, but people feel good that something does.

That's very interesting. I didn't get interested in 1F's company until Jelle commented on the video she watched so I watched it too. I don't shop for bottled water so I've never paid any attention to the market. I guess it's admirable that they are attempting to start-up a company at this difficulty level - good on them. I've been sitting here thinking about how it wouldn't take many wells to meet their stated "matching drop for drop." I know when we dug our well, how it was determined that it would be a viable source for our water was in gallons per minute. Seems to me that they would have to sell a ton of bottled water to match the output of one well. But, if they can make a living and finance digging even one well per year, I guess that's something. To me, and this is just my personal opinion, I'm not a huge fan of the concept. I would be more impressed if the business wasn't something I was against to begin with and they still had the charity hook. But that's just me.

On a side note, I saw an interview with fiddy the rapper and he got rich investing in Vitamin Water! I mean, seriously rich.

[Piper61]

There are estimated to be as many as 12 MILLION Americans who suffer from Interstitial Cystitis, an incurable and extremely painful disease. Many of us with this disorder must drink bottled spring water that has not been treated with chlorine. We cannot drink tap water from a public water source. To do so brings excruciating internal organ pain and inflammation. This is only one condition of many which require people to consume only bottled water. We cannot tolerate coffee, tea, juice or soda so bottled water is necessary for our survival. Interstitial Cystitis and other disorders are covered by the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act). We cannot be denied the bottled water on which we must rely for our very survival. While we do understand the importance of the environmental impact of bottled water, we ALL must become cognizant of the fact there are MILLIONS of people against whom we discriminate if we attempt to ban bottled water entirely. Education, tolerance and compassion MUST go hand-in-hand with enthusiasm for environmental causes!

Thanks for posting that - something I was totally unaware of.

Me neither! Thanks Windwaltzer. I no longer buy bottled water, but I wish I had the opportunity to stock up on People Water when it's necessary to do so living in my area of the country as hurricane season is upon us. If not for bottled water, what would people do when water supply is potentially contaminated after a natural disaster or weather disaster.

[Windwaltzer]

Good point, Piper61! As a biologist, I am well aware of the environmental consequences involved in this issue. However, as in so many things, the answer is not simple and trying to ban all bottled water is definitely NOT the answer. As I learned so many many years ago in my very first undergraduate ecology class, conservation and care of our resources does NOT mean stop using. It means WISE USE. I think that has gotten lost today. There are times and situations where access to a plentiful supply of bottled water is absolutely necessary. People who need it on a daily basis for survival (I'm talking several MILLION Americans here) should not have to suffer the wrath or scorn of those who don't understand or think about those needs. There are medical, emergency and a myriad of other important and valid needs for bottled water. So called "designer water" --- hard to justify. The key phrase we need to remember is WISE USE.

By the way, Piper, I've got your back (am in Austin area a good part of the year). :Smiley:

[Chacharo]

Good point, Piper61! As a biologist, I am well aware of the environmental consequences involved in this issue. However, as in so many things, the answer is not simple and trying to ban all bottled water is definitely NOT the answer. As I learned so many many years ago in my very first undergraduate ecology class, conservation and care of our resources does NOT mean stop using. It means WISE USE. I think that has gotten lost today. There are times and situations where access to a plentiful supply of bottled water is absolutely necessary. People who need it on a daily basis for survival (I'm talking several MILLION Americans here) should not have to suffer the wrath or scorn of those who don't understand or think about those needs. There are medical, emergency and a myriad of other important and valid needs for bottled water. So called "designer water" --- hard to justify. The key phrase we need to remember is WISE USE.

By the way, Piper, I've got your back (am in Austin area a good part of the year). :Smiley:

Thank you so much for your posts. I learned some important things today. :Smiley:

[Piper61]

Good point, Piper61! As a biologist, I am well aware of the environmental consequences involved in this issue. However, as in so many things, the answer is not simple and trying to ban all bottled water is definitely NOT the answer. As I learned so many many years ago in my very first undergraduate ecology class, conservation and care of our resources does NOT mean stop using. It means WISE USE. I think that has gotten lost today. There are times and situations where access to a plentiful supply of bottled water is absolutely necessary. People who need it on a daily basis for survival (I'm talking several MILLION Americans here) should not have to suffer the wrath or scorn of those who don't understand or think about those needs. There are medical, emergency and a myriad of other important and valid needs for bottled water. So called "designer water" --- hard to justify. The key phrase we need to remember is WISE USE.

By the way, Piper, I've got your back (am in Austin area a good part of the year). :Smiley:

Thanks! The rest of my family all live in Austin. My dad was born and raised there. I love Austin! I appreciate your point of view above, and agree...it's a matter of wise use. For so long we have been wasteful and excessive in our lack of conservation and awareness. It is nice to see that more and more people are beginning to get the picture and are doing much more, as much as they can to be green and mindful. My neighborhood finally changed waste management companies and we are now able to recycle nearly everthing and not just paper and glass products.

[Guest]

So you don't think Em was just a tad bit angry when she said she felt like an idiot or have you not watched those previews?

She seemed annoyed to me, not angry. Definitely not the level that RS claimed she was. I believe Love over RS.

It's nice to remind people that it was one of the contestants who left, namely Joe, who first brought up Jef's wealth as a reason for Emily being into him. Some of the other eliminated guys said the same thing. All some people on here did was pick up on it.

I don't think Joe was there long enough to have time to be jealous or bitter. It's too easy to blame it on that. There was a reason why more than one guy thought having a lot of money was important to Emily. They were there.

I don't see Joe as a good source for this subject. Emily didn't even know his last name; they barely knew each other. I think it had to do with his assumption that she's materialistic and wants someone with money. According to her friends (Keltie & Krisily), she's well off on her own and doesn't need any man's money.
Jef says they didn't even discuss his financial status, and apparently at one point, she thought he still lived at home -- and she still liked him just as much. She knows they're not going to cast bums with no jobs, but I think this shows she doesn't care if her man is rich or not. Jef seemed a little bit bothered that people would discredit their relationship because of his wealth.

Emily Maynard is a millionaire. So are these two_ Arie and Jef. I think it is hard to really determine Jef's net worth because of his background and the family is very private. Anyway, I doubt money made a difference in Emily choosing Jef (if she indeed chose him?), she came from money, too. I think she and Jef would be the most compatible in terms of social/economic standing. Quite possibly also the most compatible, intellectually. OK, some viewers think of her as dull ... vapid. She's sassy, quick-witted and, I'd say Jef read her to a T - the guy, despite his youthful looks - is very intuitive, perceptive ... and, despite his very 'now language peppered with 'like ... like ... you know' which is not uncommon or unexpected in this generation, he is actually very intelligent. I think his obvious intellect also attracted Emily. He does not have the much-desired 'Adonis' look (Sean or Arie) but the guy is a great catch for someone who looks beyond the physical attributes. I am not trying to diminish the 'Andrew Firestones, Dr. Baldwins, Ian McKees ... in the bachelor world but Jef is probably the most outstanding bachelor to participate in this type of show. I think Travis Stork was also good but he looked very disconnected ... distant. Jef also was the most honest, independent ... he really had no problem being himself and that is what makes him such a gem.

Anyway, this talk on 'money' is pure nonsense. Some thought she fell for Brad because he is reportedly loaded, LOL. Emily is way, way richer than Brad.

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